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deetee52
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My son's ND wants him to take the ALCAT test for allergies. I sent for the allergie-immun therapy and am planning to have him take the drops.

Any point in him taking the ALCAT now, or should he take it after a course of the drops? Or not at all?

For those of you who have taken the ALCAT, was it helpful? I'm just trying to spare him more bloodwork and spare my empty bank account more expensive tests.


Thanks!

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Can only speak for myself but I wouldn't bother with ALCAT if you are going to do Allergie-Immun. A I is looking at these things at a DNA level which is much different than other allergy testing.

I never did ALCAT but Allergie-Immun showed many "hidden" allergies and energetic blockages that regular allergy tests do not find, much less treat and correct.

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http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=it&langpair=de|en&u=http://www.allergie-immun.de/

Here is all the information. I am still trying to read my way through all these many pages and links. I am learning more every day and it is very much worth the effort.

Take care.

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Thank you Nana and GiGi

Does allergie-immun reveal mold allergies?

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yes it does.
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allergie-immun may not reveal allergies that your blood is making antibodies to. Blood antibody tests show I am allergic to eggs, pineapple, and cherries among other things, but allergie immun does not show those, perhaps because they are not on a DNA level? I get my myoclonus after eating those foods. However, I do belive allergie-immun can make a huge difference. I will still avoid eggs etc. until I have done allergie immun

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Hey all... can someone please help me out. I went to the website and filled out their form ect for both test kit and drops but have had no response? Please pm me. 3 weeks ago about.
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Just make up the test kit (couple drops saliva or 2 drops of blood on cleanex in a plastic baggie) as they explain on the website and mail it to them by airmail (94cent stamp in regular lettersize envelope. And send them the money with PayPal for the test. Also include a short explanation/1 page of your symptoms.

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Does it matter that I am still taking abx? Thank you by the way.
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Wow...perhaps it is kismet ...I just received an email reply from AI .... so stupid question... do I tell them Lyme/babs or infection...ect or the symptoms of Lyme?
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Cooper,

You can tell them your health issues. I'm assuming its for collecting data for a future survey. They already have one report out with results of 200 people who did the AI.

When I mailed the saliva sample to them, I put my main health issues on a 3 X 5 card - lyme, allergies, candida, etc.

I'm not sure on the abx. I seem to remember reading on here someone that it was okay, but not sure.

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Thanx all!
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The allergies Hiker is talking about are I believe classified under Allergie Immun as "reaction-relevant". To me, that means major allergies can cause secondary and subsequent reactions. Our body works in a dynamic way. Removing secondary ones comes after removing the major ones first. But then again, Allergie Immun does not test individual thousands of substances.

They look for energetic disruptions. Every disruption means "information" and every information consists of wavelengths, frequencies and ranges of color.

I will let you know once I understand it totally, if ever. But AI - 80% success is good enough for me. Eating wheat again without falling asleep is just a tiny benefit. My son's stuffy nose already stopped after one week of the drops. So far he is all smiles. He doesn't have Lyme - this therapy will prevent it.

Take care.

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Those of you taking the AI drops at present, please would you specify which 'binders' or chelators you are using alongside, together with quantities and the timing of taking them in relation to the drops?
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For anyone who is just mailing a sample without having test kit sent, I don't have to call them, do I? I'm not good with accents on the phone.

Looks like that is their full mailing address on the "Contact" page.

Hope it's OK to do it this way...just saliva or blood on one end of a Q-tip in a baggie. Label with name and address and e-mail address. Include card with name and symptoms. Airmail in a letter-size envelope. Is it better to use something flatter than a Q-tip so it looks more like a letter?

I guess I would just fill out the order form and pay online (paypal?) for both the test and the drops, and write in the message box that the sample is on its way.

It's kind of a lot of money, so I don't want to mess this up. I imagine others might have these questions too.

Thanks for any info, and good luck to us all!
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Just fill out the form and you will get an email in a few days with a link to pay by paypal. I used gauze when I sent mine. It comes folded up in several thicknesses.
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Use a bit of gauze or a cleanex, 2 blood drops or a couple drops of saliva. Wrap flat foil around it. Regular envelope. Airmail 94 cents, with one page to give symptoms. Under l oz. After you mail it, send them an e-mail and tell them sample is on its way and paid through pay-pal for whatever you are asking, test only or test and therapy. Don't worry, you will get your money's worth if you decide to do it and stick with it.

Take care.

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How many have done the test only to start to see what comes back?
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Ok so my gut says to send blood because it is traveling within the "body"... just curious what folks have sent.
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your blood carries the same information as your saliva. They are not looking for infections - they are looking for errors in programming of the DNA which has crept in over a lifetime. They correct the dysregulations in the system, so that it can be fully functioning again, recognize toxins and pathogens for what they really are to eliminate them.

If your regulation is off, polarity is off, the body cannot distinguish between good and bad and the toxins get stuck, the pathogens reign.

All this starts long before the biochemicals and nutrients come into play. And if the underlying system is not working, we aren't doing much good with any of it.

Take care.

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Cooper, I sent saliva because it was easier. I could have used my lancet that I used to check my blood sugar a few years ago to get blood, but saliva was handier.

I mailed my sample today. I used a quarter thickness of one of those folded sterile gauze pads. Put the gauze w/sample in a tiny zip lock bag (labeled with date, my name, and addresses), wrapped in small piece of foil. With one sheet of thin printer paper (name, date, symptoms) and it was all under 1 ounce.

Writing "Airmail" on the envelope is the only thing I can think to add to the instructions Nana, GiGi and others gave above.

Also received the sample test results from them via e-mail. Looks very interesting and thorough. I'm sure I will go ahead with the whole program.

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W#hen it comes to the results portion, are people getting a rrasonable or ridiculous amount of dysregulations? Any examples?
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What is reasonable when it comes to these "errors"? I think if we only had a small amount of dysregulation we might never have gotten sick in the first place.

When the body does not know what to do with certain foods, metals, chemicals, etc., they continue to stack up.

Many of them are shown with a number value attached, normal range, etc.

The only thing I had in a quite normal range was the functioning of my reproductive organs. Won't be using them for any reproducing but glad to know they are hanging in there!!

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This sounds like the same thing done by "Healers who Share". Does anyone have experience with them or can say what the differences are between the two?

Patti

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Healers who Share's website is ridiculously complex and unreadable. The costs are astronomical as well. At least this firm is reasonable. If they can do 1/4 of what others say on here, well...could be worth the expense for sure. All we can do is research, research, research, etc. to make a decision.

I've got many German contacts outside of this forum I'm going to discuss it with. I like independent opinions from people living there too. I have no idea if they know or have used this company for any health services, but asking is free. [Smile]

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The body is a dynamic system. If one dysregulation is present, it causes a wave of effects throughout the body. That's why treating the sinus while you have a hole in the gut (leaky gut) is not working for very long. School medicine at its best.

If you have the average 30 dysregulations (allergies and inherited toxins, unrevolved emotional blockages, blocked organs, etc.)_ as is common with Lymies from what I have seen, you can only imagine what all these cause, as a dynamic effect, in the total body system. It soon shuts down - that's when the autonomic nervous system starts to tell you that things are out of order - you freeze when you should be hot, you sweat at 20 below, your hormones are finally affected because the thyroid is blocked, etc. etc. etc.
And you feel tired already before getting out of bed.

Look elsewhere before you direct your total attention to this tiny Lyme bug only. If your body is fully regulating, it will handle an infection as it does for millions of people.

By the way, I am getting sort of an education in this: The wheat/gliadin allergy seems to cause the skin stuff, red cheeks, swollen eyes, red nose, and the extreme tiredness, psoriasis. This is before it starts to affect the brain function.

The thousands of chemicals we are exposed to cause the stuffy nose, stuffy chest and sinus problems, etc.

The body will repair the most important life-saving body part first before it will save an arm. It takes patience. And don't be surprised if it feels bad at times. When the body starts regulating again, it will shed toxins as compared to being stagnant. The depots will break open and you will need lots of liquids - not plain water which runs just through you taking the best you had left with it: drink nutritious liquids, soups, mushes, applesauce, juices, etc. The body gut has three compartments and all three want something to move the toxic material through, with liquids, but not empty water.

Take care.

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I read the entire website. Interesting, but the idea(s) just go completely over my head. It's so strange they admit they have no idea how the process works, but it works. 95% success rate.

It's so hard for any analytical-minded individual to comprehend this stuff. It's on a whole different level.

My doctors would look at me like I'm a space alien landing in their office. Who cares though as they probably do anyways since I'm ill for no reason. lol. This would make them think I'm from Pluto instead of Mars.

How much healthier is your husband now after doing this? How long has he treated with the AI drops?

Others out there such as SForgren? I got some feedback from soemone already which was helpful. I'm seeking more.

If this is this effective, couldn't one literally kill themselves from toxin release GiGI? If Lyme herxes could kill, imagine 30 channels opened up at one time. How could someone's body possibly shed all this stuff like Lyme, mercury, pesticides and other stuff stored endlessly due to a broken sysyem?

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I just finished with my second week. I've had probably 3 fairly good days each week - much better than normal.

I also had some strange, more painful (where my pain normally is only a bit worse) days. Sometimes it would just be a few hours of bad pain and then it would get so much better.

Seek - I think the drops work very slowly. It doesn't even feel like a herx. I sure don't understand it but from my body's reaction, I can tell it happens very slowly.

Sandy

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No one in their right mind would try regulate all roadblocks at the same time. AI takes time; in my husband's case it may take up to a year. There are nerves to heal and there is a leaky gut to heal. And again, he may surprise me. But that is a lot better than spending life in a wheelchair, don't you think? If you don't have any patience, it's best to forget about it and do what you works better for you.

If you do what you always did, you will get what you always got. That is simply not my choice, even if the results are not yet clear, in my husband's case, that is. I trusted the Bionic and AI would have been my first choice before anything else.

Ever wonder why glutathione is so hard to come by for some people and they simply do not produce enough or - why so many have done the phospholipid/glutathione protocol and are still not well after spending a lot of money on it - I discovered today that glutathione is related to the the gluten/wheat frequency. What do you think happens when you shoot that into your body? Not only that, but the phospholipids are made from lecithin, which is soy. The majority of Lymies who have taken the AI test, except myself, are allergic to gluten and soy. All it takes is a molecule of any of these substances to put the body into turmoil if you have an allergy toward it. Healing?? No.

Take care.

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I am hoping this can eliminate severe chemical allergies... any input is welcome on this... thanx
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psano2 said:
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This sounds like the same thing done by "Healers who Share". Does anyone have experience with them or can say what the differences are between the two?
I have been thinking the same thing. I recently began working with HWS and their remedies and will report back how it goes. Many of their remedies work by clearing blockages (miasms) at the DNA level. This sounds very similar to AI, but I don't think anyone knows the exact overlap.

If you have any questions on HWS, feel free to PM me.

People who nitpick or can't help but be negative - don't bother...

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I think the drops have been quite good. I think they are very different than HWS but I have some positive thoughts about HWS as well. When I was on the AI drops my urine smelled so bad it was quite remarkable. Lots of detox. I start round 3 next week. So far, well worth the money.

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Our son has been on AI for not quite two weeks -- the first bottle. He no longer gets a stuffy head and nose. He no longer wakes up his wife by snoring. He has perfect elimination now. He is very happy with it.

It will take us older folk a little longer because we have already accumulated a lot more over the many years. A lot of "stuff" has been swept under the rug.

We find that Infections are zero. Now we only work at eliminating the toxins that had been packed away and repairing any possible nerve damage. So that I know will take longer. But we know that AI is very effective - even I can feel it every time I take my five drops. It is amazing what an "informed" drop of water can do.

With this therapy, we are also eliminating pain and symptom memories which I think is what keeps many Lyme patients feeling they still suffer from Lyme. Nerves have a memory that can be treated by restoring the healthy memory.

Andrew, I agree with your sentiment. Even among the very small group and short timespan we have done this therapy, the results are very apparent. I agree the two methods appear to be very similar, except the cost are miles apart and when the whole family starts doing it, I prefer AI. My husband may need the treatment for a whole year, but it costs not a cent more, except postage.

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This may be a dumb question but I just got my report back and it said to go ahead and eat the foods that you would otherwise avoid. I havent ate bread for who knows how long because of yeast overgrowth. Will AI help fix my yeast problems and do you think I can add back in bread?

Thank's in advance for any responce and I will report back once I start on the drops. Terri

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AI and HWS seem targeted at somewhat different areas.

By any standard, AI is a bargain and sounds well worth the money. Thank you GiGi for explaining so well about what they do. It sounds like the drops "educate the body" at the DNA level to rid it of its various allergies, dysregulations, blockages, etc. This in turn leads to release of toxins and better functioning of the body at all levels. (GiGi - correct me if I'm wrong on this)

HWS makes vibrational remedies targeted at specific infections, diseases and miasms (inherited propensity for a disease). They have thousands of remedies, most aimed at a single condition, so the correct combination can be put together for any individual. They seem to have a remedy for every condition you've ever heard of, and many more you haven't. HWS practitioners select remedies by dowsing (via pendulum, biotensor, etc.)

It doesn't sound like AI is meant to address infections directly. HWS remedies certainly do.

HWS remedies can add up dollar-wise, but in my opinion, cost is relative. I spend nearly $1000 for each visit with my ND. That's a lot of HWS remedies. How much is your health worth?

I recently took a class from HWS to learn more about them. I'm currently taking their remedies, and have a close friend who is starting an entire HWS program for several very serious conditions. I'll report back on what results I see as I learn more in the next 4-8 weeks.

I'm excited about all the energetic medicine options we have right now. (HWS, AI and the Bionic) The issue for me right now is figuring out in what order to do them and how to overlap them with my ND's protocols.

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About how long does it take to receive the initial report back from AI? I mailed my sample from WA a week ago.

I don't have a feel for how long the mail takes to get to Germany, and what their processing time is at the lab.

Thanks for any info,
Nutmeg

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depends on what kinda mail you use. Priority takes around 7 days, then they will email you the report around 5-7 days after that with the hardcopy report & therapy coming in shortly after. So all in all about 2 weeks
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Andrew, pls keep us informed on progress with HWS. I am a believer in them and look forward to good reports. Thanks!

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It's been interesting to learn more about the possibilities of the AI treatments.

I do wonder if AI is right as a first measure in curing X as some are so want to say.

It seems to me that if your are all blocked in the stomach, liver, gallbladder etc. that there simply might not be enough routes for much of any detox to occur.

I think possible more traditional routes for SOME of us might be needed first. First getting our bodies to regularly sweat, to move in some way on a consistent basis, to get colonics, massage, to take baths, to take gentle detoxification agents/teas etc.

Too many times I've used energetic medicine and found that lymph system and gut became even more filled with un-releasable toxins- and I wound up far sicker than before. - AND YES I understand that AI is not quite the same thing but it still try's to let the body purge whats in it.

When I exercise, even if only 2 or 3 times a week, after I feel a little better than before. Feels the safest most reliable route for my case. I suppose maybe I'm lucky that I still can walk 2 miles at a time. But I have a long way to go. J

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Can I get a feel for how many here have sent samples to AI for the testing portion? What is the exact address you sent your blood/saliva sample to? I read the mailing instructions earlier on this thread.

I'm considering this. Is the price $75 Euro or $95. The website showed a special of $75, but it's not clear if it's for EU members only or all countries.

Have any non-energy medicine users been pleasantly surprised by this product?

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Hi seekhelp,

I seem to recall that maybe about 6-8 people have posted about doing the AI testing and/or program recently.

The address for mailing the sample is on their website. Go to the green bar near the top of the page and click on "contact". Scroll down for the English contact, but the address is the same in German and English [Embarrassed] )

I just copy and pasted the address into a word document (envelope format) and printed an envelope to mail it in.

I'm in the US. A week ago I ordered just the testing, which was 90 Euros (about $117). As soon as I get my report, I will order the treatment, which they say is 395 Euros, and they will subtract out the 90 I already paid.

Hope this helps.
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I will share some info from my reports. My first test showed 5 food allergies - some silent, some not silent at all.

There were 3 molds, 3 fungi, 2 chemical toxins and 4 metals that my body did not know how to eliminate. Missing information.

My second test result shows that ALL of those have been cleared.

I am on my second remedy, am able to tolerate more drops than the first round and feeling well.

I don't believe wheat is an important food but I am able to eat it now with no reaction.

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