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seekhelp
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I am getting a reading done tomorrow for free. [Smile] My doc mentioned someone who lives right by my home who is excellent in his opinion. I know not everything shows up on a blood smear, but I'm pretty thrilled to have a human review it and not a machine. He does a lot of staining and other things.

Maybe my health picture will be a bit clearer after tomorrow? [Smile] It could be a waste of time, but I'm totally desparate. No local docs care about actually looking at my blood with a phase contrast microscope. For some reason, they think it's idiocracy.

[ 02-13-2009, 06:50 PM: Message edited by: seekhelp ]

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One good thing this can see is how much debris may be hanging around. Enzymes can help clean up that picture.


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Speaking of pictures, see if you can get one of your blood smear!

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OK, the person is going to magnify it on a huge screen for me.
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I'm jealous! Let us know how it goes. It is very exciting.....hoping that it provide you with something useful.

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cool......I'd like to see the images too....
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Jealous too. Would love the opportunity to just see what might show up. Good luck!
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Confidentiality issus perhaps Lymestop?
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Well, Dr. Barrett debunks my hopes and dreams again. He's good at this. [Frown]

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/livecell.html

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Dr. Barrett really should sign up at Lymenet Europe. [Smile] A perfect fit. He could be the grandmaster.
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Well, I'm back from my adventure looking at my blood. Interesting experience to say the least.

I couldn't get any pictures, but he walked me through it on a screen. He couldn't find one bit of evidence of bacterial/parasitic infection. His darkfield microscope went well over 5,000x magnification and he's done this 25+ years.

He did note some major concerns. He doesn't think bacterial infections are my issue. He said my red blood cells are completely clumped severely. He showed a picture of regular blood cella and then mine. Scary. He said that's the cause of my all issues (fatigue, muscle tightness, head pressure, etc.). Hmmmm..

He also said I had very few white blood cells show up on the sample. He said my immune system is low. Some markings mentioned liver damage and my blood had tons of 'scratches' in it which he said is a sign of several possibilities: toxicity, colon inflammation, diet issues, antibiotic overuse, and 3-4 others.

He noticed a few heavy metals in the bloos, but very low levels.

Showed me bad cholesterol in my cells (too much). Said to lose weight and exercise more. I told him about my exercise intolerance, inability to sweat, etc. He recommended saunas, hot tubs.

He said the hypercoagulation issues must be fixed to get better. Note, he's not a doctor, but seemed to be quite knowledgeable. Not sure what to make of all of it.

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I feel Dr. Barrett is correct. My research concurs. Notice he

accurately describes appropriate medical use of the technology.

Many, many people are being scammed all across the world,

especially in the offices of my "natural-practice " colleagues.

What one must understand is following such money-generating

practices is the only way many chiropractors, for instance, can

stay open.


As opposed to, say, India where chiropractic is truly part of the

fabric of society. How many MDs here sell package plan

appointments. (12 visits in advance. Most Indians could never

afford it.) This is a warning flag. It doesn't mean good and

useful treatments can't be had in a corresponding facility. Just

that the same facility is generating cash for that reason alone.


Responsible chiropractic should be no different than seeing a

regular MD. Periodic checkups and visits when necessary. Just

as in the case of allopathic medicine, there may be exceptions.

People sometimes need regular consistent, often lifetime

treatment for a variety of conditions.


But to imagine that all those being sold package plans and

live cell analysis/supplements in offices everywhere need this

way of treatment is ridiculous. It also is the opposite of a

desired targeted goal of most holistic-based healing endeavors.

And it can result in this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHX7m09OZ8E&feature=channel_page


There is also a parallel to note here regarding IDSA & Co. A

careful reading of some of their literature as presented on this

site reveals no denial of chronic tbd infection. Only a non-

acknowledgment of such due to lack of study-based proof.


I feel those who vilify these doctors must stop. No more Evil. No

more quacks and ducks. We all must grow up. At some point

there must be a reconciliation between opposing sides to

move forward.


I suggest we consider with greater respect Steere and Co. who

have treated and successfully cured with a wonderfully useful

protocol, far, far more tbd patients than all the LLMDs together.

(Perhaps outnumbering in the hundreds of thousands if not

more.) Notice I don't parenthesize cured. That's because too

many cases were treated in Connecticut 15-20 years ago with

no further problems to reach any other conclusion.. I personally

know dozens. Most were children when treated and have full

and healthy lives today. I'm aware of the theories of possible

later problems for them.


Perhaps recognizing above can help increase mutual

understanding as to why most MDs follow ISDA protocols. As a

healer, I can say they are outstandingly successful and worthy.

Except for some of us. Who, like myself, for whatever reasons

haven't had under them the desired outcome. I only wish that I

had a tool to so easily and effectively treat some of the equally

challenging conditions which present in practice.


Good Luck All! [Smile]

[ 02-14-2009, 01:27 AM: Message edited by: lymeric ]

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Lymeric, who are you? I'm confused how your post relates to my post. Don't say 'my research' without even disclosing who you are, what research it is, etc. A bit vague?

The article mentioned chiropractors to some degree, but it surely wasn't the root of the argument.

I'm tired, but not out of it. lol. I didn't even talk about Dr. Steere and others of the IDSA. Why are you posting on this thread about this?

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Quite interesting..another Quackwatch article. The info sure sounds familar. [Smile]

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/livecell2.html

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lymeric,

I am not even going to dignify your post with a response.

Seekhelp,

Look at this appointment as a learning experience. You did get one valuable clue to your illness without spending $400 plus for the bloodwork to prove it.

Hypercoagulation testing with HEMEX lab starts at about $400. Now, the question is why is your blood clumping together? The obvious answer is infection. The ISAC (Immune System Activation of Clotting) panel from HEMEX would most likely prove that infection is the root cause of your hypercoagulation. If the hypercoagulation is severe even a fibrinogen test from Quest or LabCorp would be abnormal although this test is not nearly as specific.

As for darkfield microscopy, hubby had this done once. The practitioner said his blood was just about the healthiest she had ever seen. Hubby was far from well at the time. But that is just one experience.

The other point I got from your post was the bit about 5000x magnification. It is my understanding that high resolution microscopes use at least 10,000x magnification.

I personally don't believe that one can detect heavy metals from a bloodslide.

This is not medical advice, just my opinion based on hubby's experiences.

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seek,

bea is right about the hypercoagulation. very common in TBI's.

Was it at least fun? Take the results with a grain of salt.

As for Lymeric, take a hike.

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Bea,

My fibrongen through Quest was 381...normal was 140-420. It's normal, but surely not good. I have no doubt some infection is the cause. The question is which one.

Feelfit, it was fun, but a bit farfetched. I think the person sells supplements, but he didn't try with me. I did take it with a grain of salt. No one can detect all that with a blood smear!

The real issue is what can I do to help myself? I'd rather not pay $400+ for another test. Does reducing hypercoagulation help many with their symptoms? I mentioned this to my former LLMD, but he just didn't care about the topic unfortunately.

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Sorry if things are vague. The post already took me 2+ hours to

create. (Very bad on computers. Also quite new to them.) I

didn't do it for myself. I gave my life for all those

reading. I might have included more, but how long to make it?


If this was a "hijack," my bad. I was responding to your posts

about quackwatch. I find an underlying attitude there that

corresponds to IDSA hate. Hence the parallel observation.

Perhaps it belongs elsewhere in another context.


At some point I hope to consolidate several of my posts into one

new thread. (Stay tuned!) I try to get across a few ideas when

posting which isn't as often as I'd like, and will be even less in

the future. (Time) There are several topics I'd like to address

before moving on.


I chose chiropractic as an example of a business where

aforementioned live cell analysis is occurring.


Maybe it's easier to say what I am not: A doctor. A member or

spy for the IDSA. In any way connected with the insurance

industry other than having some. Or any other conspiracy-

related possibilities.


I am your friend, (and Tracy and Blake's.) [group hug]

Peace & Grace!

[ 02-14-2009, 01:28 AM: Message edited by: lymeric ]

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I don't know. I'm not sure how I can agree these IDSA docs care about me as I saw one a year ago who assured me I have no illneses and NEVER tested one thing or looked at one result I brought. Downright scary.

I'm not an expert, but from what I've read, ignorance plays a huge part in this issue from some docs. I'm not saying they are stupid, but they turn a blind eye in the name of science to those who suffer horribly. Unacceptable.

Helping some and possibly killing others is not right. Every life is precious.

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Lymeric of course you found an attitude of IDSA hate. They are the ones that made the guidelines that prevent us from getting the treatment we need to get well.

You are not going to find any love for them around here!

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I've noticed that there's a group from the UK who argues vehemently that they see spirochetes in red blood cells, and it seems that one of the techniques they use is to age the blood for some number of hours (8 hours?) which supposedly makes spirochetes emerge from some of the cells.

I had signs of hypercoagulation earlier this fall (but never did the HEMEX panel because my LLMD thinks it isn't very accurate). My signs were having unusual coagulation when I had blood drawn, and some clinical symptoms. I took systemic enzymes very religiously after that, some of the clinical symptoms resolved, and when I later got some blood microscopy done by my LLMD (to look for abnormal blood cells and coagulation) there wasn't too much wrong coagulation-wise (we were at 400x I think). I take it as a possible sign that enzymes are useful for this as advertised.

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