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Hoosiers51
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I was just wondering if these herbals like Burbur, Parsley, etc for detox have created a noticable difference for anyone?

As in, you feel better on them, and without them you feel worse?

I'm to the point where I'm sick of paying money for things if it doesn't seem like it's working (sure you all can relate)....

Thanks!

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I so-o-o hear you. I have a cupboard full of 'stuff'!

I personally did not receive any benefit from the Burbur although I have read on here of others who have.

Rather than trying the Parsley, it was suggested to me to make up some parsley tea (just parsley leaves and water, although I do add lemon and honey as well). I have benefitted from that and drink 2 cups a day. But I had to start with 1 cup of a weak strength and build up.

I've been taking it for a few weeks now and continue to see improvements but I suspect I have a poor detox system. This is really seeming to help it along.

I'd say some of the biggest improvements is that it's really helping clear the skin of boils and I'm a lot less dizzy than I was.

I should also mention that I had a fair sized lump in one of my armpits that has entirely gone!

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I have been using the burbur too. I have no idea. I also take chlorella. Also, have no idea. I know that I herx like mad and I need to detox. I keep trying.

I just started the lemon and olive oil drink. No idea if that is helping either.


I a sick of paying for them too. I know others swear by them.

Kathy

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I don't know how much olive oil you are consuming, venus, but too much can be a strain on your liver and gallbladder.


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I think the herbs are good but I don't know if I would continue with them if I was paying for them. I was lucky to be on a program that was offered to receive the herbs for free for 6 months.

I have had some benefits but using the infrared light really made the big difference. You may want to check into some kind of applied kinesiology or dowsing to see if you really need them.

They are kind of expensive. Parsley is a fairly common herb. I don't know why the Nutrimedix formula is so expensive.

They are a good standard herbal protocol but it wasn't enough for me. I think you really have to get something more individualized.

I later found out that I have mycoplasmas. I don't think this protocol could have addressed this. I am taking them for detox (since I have them here) based on an energetic reading with a bobber that I did (medical dowsing).

They do have some benefit - you just may have to go further with it & alternate your approaches. Some detox herbs work well but it seems like you may need to alternate them every so often.

If money wasn't an issue, I'd probably buy some of them. You can do fine with other things if you can't afford them, too.

They are mainly based on herbs you can buy from other companies, as well. You may want to shop around to find the best price.

The best way to see if you really need them is to use a device like a pendulum, bobber, or BioTensor (medical dowsing) or find someone who does applied kinesiology. It does seem to work quite well in my opinion.

It's so hard to tell what you really need & you can waste alot of money on stuff that doesn't help you.

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brf

that's a good idea about making your own parsley tea - must try that!

Good to hear it seems to be helping you!

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Have you done the "cat's claw"?

Garlic? Raw garlic cloves?

Or Coptis Chimensis?

I've been doing the garlic thing for a while. I herx anyways from my IV abx and orals, so I cant tell.

Anyone definitely herx from garlic? I bet it barely touches the Lyme or bart for that matter. I have both...at least.

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Hoosiers,
Burbur makes a HUGE difference for me. When I herx,
I take 20 drops every 10 minutes up to 3-4 hours (per LLMD) I don't even mix with water, just straight from the dropper.

Works better than anything for me.

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I used to juice parsley back when I was really sick. I don't know exactly what helped me to recover (for a couple of years), but thanks for reminding me, I'm going to pick up a bunch of parsley to juice!

Ocean

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Some info about parsley -
http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/p/parsle09.html

About Burbur -
http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pages/burbur_what.htm

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james44.htm

I thought it might be the same as berberine - but they are different plants.

About berberine -
http://www.raysahelian.com/berberine.html

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I juice parsley in my daily juice everyday! It's cheaper that way [Smile]

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As far as I'm concerned the Cowden protocol is a bunch of

"Cowdung"

as far as cureing or even a good adjunct for lyme and coinfections.

You may take supplements to help you feel like you're doing SOMETHING to help your body....


and some of you who do this with supplements are proabably if anything gaining a placebo effect....

However when ole man TBD's decide to replicate every 28 days...you're going to feel like crap,

no matter WHAT you're taking.

Hopefully you'll be taking some kind of anti-spirochetal antibiotic and or a cyst buster

along with it or at least an ABX from a different family,

so as to bring down the load of Bb as far and as fast as you can durring the

time when they are most susceptible to killing off.

But,

keep in mind,

when you do this you're going to experience a Jarosch-Herxheimer effect; first noted when

these two guys were killing off syphillis spirochetes a long time ago with pennicillin.

The dirty pathogens release neurotoxins as they die off making the "host",

you,

feel pretty rotten...comiserate with the load you may have in your body...

which are still susceptible to being killed by whatever ABX you happen to be using and whatever

ABX you've used in the past and reached a plateau using, due to the spirochete's defensive

mechanisms of creating immune offspring from time to time...

which actually coincides with the 28 day cycle of regeneration.

Good luck with supplements....

they probably won't HURT your body...

but in my opinion, neither will they have any effects on Lyme and Company.

zman

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Hoosiers51
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Thanks to all who took the time to let me know their experiences and ideas. I will keep them in mind.

Shandy, we miss you over at Lyme Friends!!!!! I understand why you're gone and I don't blame you one bit, but I just want you to know you're missed! [Smile]

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Is this from your experience or opinion?

quote:
Originally posted by lymie tony z:
As far as I'm concerned the Cowden protocol is a bunch of

"Cowdung"

zman


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R62
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Are the cowden tinctures energetically enhanced? If so, I can see the possibility of a difference. If not, then I dont see paying the difference. Burbur can be purchased at vitacost.

desmodium molliculum

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