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Lymetoo
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My LLMD told me something I think I knew, but was ignoring.

You must buy good quality (absorbable) magnesium if you want the benefits.

Mg OXIDE is the cheap stuff and that is what you get...it doesn't absorb well at all.

Something like Mg GLYCINATE would be better absorbed.

I got the lecture about the Mg I use ... thinking it would help my heart issues.........NOT!!! [bonk]

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Yup... I knew and ignored it, too. My sweet husband bought me some magnesium glycinate today. The mg oxide was not helping a bit.

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MG oxide I think is what they give to cause the squirts and cramping
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That's exactly what you use mag oxide for.

The best form of mag and most absorable is magnisium glycinate. But you also must buy a good pharmacuetical grade brand such as

pure encapsulations (no fillers), Metagenics, Thorne, Douglas, Allergy Research Group, Nutricology, Ortho molecular, Tyler, Phyto Pharmica, standard process to name a few.

These brands actually test to make sure that what they claim are in there products are in there.

Supplements are not regulated. With cheap brands you have no way of knowing what you are getting, if any of the active ingredient.

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I had a difficult time finding the right kind of magnesium to buy. Finally when I found a store that did have it, there was only one bottle left.

From now on, I think I'll purchase it on-line.

Can anyone recommend a reputable source for supplements that I can order from?

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Wow, good to know Lymetoo...thanx...

I've been using the Mg Oxide and it hasn't put a dent in the twitchies....

I know Mg is detrimental to some abx though, right? I'm using Ceftin right now and Zith...

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I've had good luck with the Mg 'L-lactate dihydrate' version that Dr. B recommends.
Helped my muscle twitches (esp in my left elbow) calm down a bunch.

Niche Pharmaceuticals "Mag-Tab SR" A white plastic bottle of 100 yellow caplets for about $22 at Wallyworld.
(Most stores can get it In in a day. Some have it in-stock.)

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My Walmart doesn't carry it and says that can't get Mag-Tab SR. I have asked 2 different stores in my area. What a drag!!!! I think that's the best. Just my opinion though. [Smile]

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what about malate?
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I thought I had all the different Magnesiums there were and my LLMD told me to get Magnesium Glycinate which I didn't have.

He only uses a handful of supplements and this was one of them.

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Last time I needed some I ask the pharmacist, he said they ALL use oxide,,,so much for HIS info.

Thanks for this thread,,,most informative.

I was wondering why my twitchies came back,,,now I know!!!

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my llmd has me on mag malate and mag cream

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I buy KAL Magnesium Glycinate. It cost about $25 for 90 pills, but it seems to be working fine....

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Oh, I am using the wrong kind I think. I use Magnesium Citrate, approx 800 mg total, on a daily basis along with calcium tabs, all with meals.

After reading this, I should switch to Glycinate.

Excellent post, Lymetoo.

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Natural Vitality's Natural Calm is magnesium citrate. It works well. You have to prepare it

as a tea and it does have natural flavor and stevia if you do not like it plain.

I buy the plain one and add a few drops of lemon oil and raw honey to make a nice lemonade.

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You can get KAL much cheaper at Vitamin Shoppe http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=KA-1549

or from this site: http://store.agoodvitamin.com/kalmagl4090t.html

If you are going to pay that much you can by Pure encapsulations, which is way better (no fillers)180 capsules for $22.40 from Nutri Pharma, (212) 983-8291.

Nutri Pharma has good prices, carries the best brands and will give you expert advice on products. No website, you call in your order and they give you excellent service, flat rate shipping of I think $4.95. Order arrives the next day.

This site has good prices on supplements and good service:

http://store.agoodvitamin.com/ If you order Pure Encapsulations, Douglas labs, Metagenics, Vital

Nutrients, Apex Energetics, or Designs for Health and type in SALE in the coupon box you get 20% off.

Here is another good site. Carries only first tier brands. The guy is knowledgeable about the products he sells. http://www.myhealth-store.com/

Sometimes delivery can be a bit slow but I think they have gotten better of late.

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as I remember (there's a chart somewhere) glycinate, citrate, and chloride and maybe some others are useful to somewhat varying degrees but Mg oxide is almost not absorbed at all...and that's the cheap grocery store one.

Don't take magnesium (or any metal supplements) within several hours of doxy or tetracycline, it interferes with the abx. (don't know about mino but I'd assume it'd wipe that one out too.)

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Citrate works too!


Mistake, I meant Chloride. It tastes awful though. I am going to try what Marnie sugested and do a 50/50 dilution of mag chloride and water and try it on my skin.

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quote:
Originally posted by Leelee:


Can anyone recommend a reputable source for supplements that I can order from? [/QB]

Vitamin Shoppe or Vitacost. I like Vitacost.

Someone mentioned WalMart .. Don't buy stuff there unless you really trust what CHINA puts in their supplements!!!! [Eek!]

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Thats good to know Lymetoo. I was actually using oxide because i found a liquid pill (which with my digestive i thought would be better)

I like Vitacost too. You can choose a flat rate of $4.99 no matter how much you order. And they have a huge selection of stuff - from supplements to cleaners to even foods, including some low carb and gluten free.. and even some pet supplements. [Smile]

The vitamin shoppe is ok too but doesnt have as big of a selection. Most the time if you spend so much you can get free shipping.

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NO.

MgCl is needed. IV doses...in a perfect world.

We need to make use of the chloride channel Bb is triggering.

And send in the "de-icer" MgCl, instead of NaCl and/or CaCl.

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quote:
Originally posted by Marnie:
[QB] NO.


Which question are you answering? [confused]

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Where do you get mag chloride? I found magnesium hydrochloride is common in Europe, but not here.

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The "Walmart" magnesium is the actual Niche brand Lymetoo. The same stuff Dr B recommends. He even says you can get it at Walmart in his guidelines.

I wouldn't buy just any supplements there. [Smile]

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What about Slow-Mag - it is Magnesium Chloride

http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=17380&catid=9322

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U can get MgCl in pill form and liquid form...

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Oddly, we just finished the 'wrong' kind of Mag and went out today to the health food store and got some mag glycinate! [Big Grin]

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My figuring on the malate (magnesium & malic acid) is that malic acid lowers the intracellular ph, excreting excess acid through the urine.

This allows the magnesium longer to hang out, bonding with the cells for better absorption.

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Lymetoo- The particular Mg caplets I mentioned ARE avail thru WalMart but are NOT from China. Good ol' USA. [Wink] Niche Pharmaceuticals is out of Texas. (Dr. B likes 'em!)

orrn- 1st time I've heard ANY W-M say they can't get Niche. I think that person was just confused/lazy. SKU: 7 36765 42017 2

BTW, I Was recommended the glycinate by my LLND.
I just bought the Mag-Tabs after reading the 2005 Guidelines...& found they helped. Think I'll give the other kind a try when I refill.

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I take magnesium chloride, citrate, and glycinate.

I think I got them all at vitacost.

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Well, my husband came back with some of that Calm stuff that you mix with hot water. Today is day 2 and I can definitely notice a difference. I'm happy!

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quote:
Originally posted by Jasmin:
Well, my husband came back with some of that Calm stuff that you mix with hot water. Today is day 2 and I can definitely notice a difference. I'm happy!

Be careful with that stuff, you mix too much in you will have a major laxative effect, when I first got it, a dolloped a few spoon fulls not reading the instructions and was on the hopper half the day.
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quote:
Originally posted by 'Kete-tracker:
[QB] Lymetoo- The particular Mg caplets I mentioned ARE avail thru WalMart but are NOT from China. Good ol' USA. [Wink] Niche Pharmaceuticals is out of Texas. (Dr. B likes 'em!)

Well, if it's from TEXAS, then I KNOW it would be good!! [Big Grin]

Thanks to orrn too for that information!

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That CAlm stuff if ok unless you have acid reflux!!! I hated it and took it back.

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Magnesium Chloride can be purchased at Vitacost. It is liquid and costs about 7.00 for 8oz the brand is NutriCology.

It needs to be refrigerated afer opening and tastes NASTY...but it is supposed to be the most absorbable form.

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Darn,

I just bought Solgar's Highly Absorbable Magnesium Citrate at Vitamin Shoppe @ $25.

So, now I'm guessing this is not effective? Arrgh!

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It's not ineffective, just not as well absorbed as mag glycinate.
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Marnie is SOOO right - IV will have a more significant impact. If you're low in magnesium, orals just won't get you back to where you need to be. Your body can't absorb that much at once, and it doesn't get into your cells.

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quote:
Originally posted by lymeinhell:
Your body can't absorb that much at once, and it doesn't get into your cells.

What if you take it all day? Like we have time for that...but would that be best if you can't get an IV?

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IM mag sulfate shots work way better than oral and I found it to be better than IV for me. But I think the type of mag Marnie is talking about is something different entirely.

I take both IM and oral magnesium.

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gemofnj - Pick up a cheap bottle malic acid to take with it, then you've got magnesium malate.
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j, thanks for the tip!
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