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wtl
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Regular milk seem to always interupt the schedule of antibiotic. Soy milk's ok for Lymies?
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Hah, it better be. I'm veg*n, so I drink a lot of soy milk/rice milk, etc.

I don't think there's anything wrong with soy or anything else in moderation. [Smile]

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Good to know, Disturbed. [Smile]
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If you are taking doxy or some other abx affected by calcium, you need to CHECK and make sure that it's NOT calcium enriched! Most are these days...

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What happens when you take doxy and then have something like soymilk that has calcium in it? Does it just stop Doxy from absorping into the body as well?

When I was on Doxy, which was nearly two years ago at the beginning of treatment, I never paid attention to the instructions of not taking with calcium and had no issues... I still herxed big time from Doxy, so I'd still say it worked pretty darn well.

Though I'm not telling anyone to go against what it says on the labels!!! That was just my experience.

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Not IMO, but soy is a controversial issue. Google The Dangers of Soy for an eye opener. Unless it's fermented soy, fermented in the traditional way (not by industry) as used by Asians for centuries I don't think soy is good for anyone.

Soy has become a cash crop for profit promoted as a food with health benefits and it is in almost every thing on the supermarket shelf disguised with fancy names we can't pronounce. Also it is not eaten in huge quantities in Asian societies like it is being encouraged in the U.S.

The public is being fooled, but everyone has to make their own decision on this issue. You will find just as many sites preaching the benefits of soy.

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/soyinfo/a/soy.htm

http://www.karinya.com/soydangers.htm

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/soy.htm

[ 05-07-2009, 05:43 PM: Message edited by: Abxnomore ]

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Ok, so what do most of people eat for breakfast?

Soy is not good.

Grease is not good

Bread is not good...

Bagle is not good...

Cereal has to be eaten dry...

[Smile]

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abxnomore, stop with the stupid soy milk accusations. It gets on my nerves. If you want to argue soy is bad, you can argue just as hard or even harder that red meat is even WORSE (there are plenty of links linking consumption of red meat to cancers and heart disease)...

To each his own. I think anything in moderation is fine. I'm sick of the soy bashers.

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protein, eggs made many different ways

quality whey protein concentrate made into a shake, where you can add green drinks and ground flax seeds, tinctures

plain organic yogurt, berries, avocados.

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disturbedme

You are acting disturbed. Your tone is insulting and I said it was my opinion and also said you will find just as many sites of the opposing view.

I was objective; you clearly are not.

Please stop the accusatory tone and please don't tell me what to do. Your post is rude in tone and construct.

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Making fun of my name?

I think that my saying everything in moderation is healthy IS objective.

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Read your post again and let's move on. I'm not interested in pettiness.
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quote:
plain organic yogurt, berries, avocados. [/QB]
But isn't yogurt a dairy product?
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I love regular milk so it was hard for me to have to find a substitute while on doxy. You didn't mention which antibiotic you are on. Not all interact with milk/calcium.

If you like soy milk, go for it. I couldn't stand the taste. I liked Almond milk the best and rice milk second best. Be sure not to buy the "enriched" forms of these milks because they have calcium added.

There is a big controversy about soy being bad for your health but it seems like anything in excess is bad for you too.

If you're like me, drinking soy/almond/rice milk will only be a temporary thing. Nothing compares to good old cow's milk!

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Other breakfast options can be toast made out of Ezekiel bread. Almond butter tastes great with that.

Oatmeal made with almond/rice/soy milk and some berries or nuts or cinnamon. Yum!

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Wtl, there are many great gluten free hot cereals that are high in protein and fiber and are even sugar free. There are also great brands of unsweetened almond milk that are really tasty.

Google:

Bob's Redmill
Quinoa products
Almond Breeze
Cream of buckwheat (sounds like it contains gluten but it's gluten free)

If dry cereal is what you are looking for, Erewhon has a sugar free gluten free brown rice cereal that's a lot like rice crispies. You can add fruit and almond milk to it, or even some nuts.

If you need any more suggestions, let me know. I eat gluten free, sugar free, vegan, dairy free, etc etc...

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Oh, I thought of more! Gluten free bread for toast and rice cakes with almond butter...

For brands, google:

Lundberg (rice cakes)
Food for life (bread)
Kinnikinick (bread)
Glutino (bread)
Ener-g (bread)

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Sammy - The antibiotic is Doxycycline.

LittleLymie - That is great. I will go to the local health food store to check those brand names. I hope I can find them.

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I used to eat alot of soy but decided against it when I saw all of the info as listed by Abxnomore. I read the info a while ago.

I don't think soy is a good replacement for milk or protein. I read it can leech magnesium out of your body - which we really need.

It's also a highly processed food which is made with genetically modified soy beans for the most part - unless it says organic.

There are alot of good alternatives like rice milk, nut or seed milk, or coconut milk.

I use to eat tofu & drink soy milk all of the time but I may eat it once a month or so now. I stopped drinking soy milk. It probably won't really hurt you in moderation but many vegetarians use it as a meat or milk replacement.

I don't do that anymore. We have a pretty wide variety of foods available these days. Best to eat things are are not processed too much or that contain genetically modified ingredients.

There are problems with many foods these days. It's good to know about it so you can avoid the problems. It's hard to know everything, though.

I just read yesterday there was a salmonella problem with alfalfa sprouts. One day it's tomatoes, another it's e coli on beef... What can you do?

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There is also way too much natural estrogens in soy and as Americans who are getting too much of it, most unknowingly thru processed foods, it is causing health problems with our thyroids, as well as feminizing

our male youth population. They are gaining fat around their hips and yes fat on their chests like women's bodies. I just read an article on it the other day.

As I am sure you know, it is naturally fermented soy products fermented in the traditional way that are very good for you. NOT ALL SOY IS BAD.

But with big industry, it's hard to know how things are produced and if they are truly naturally fermented the proper way.

Naturally fermented Natto, miso and tempeh in small quantities are very healthy products, ex., nattokinese to reduce fibrin.

Here is another informational link: http://www.naturalnews.com/025513.html

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Yogurt isn't dairy?? Who said?

I avoid soy.

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i tried all the soy products and even almond milk.

ick, i'm sorry, didn't care for them.

gotta be something besides water.

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quote:

...[soy is] feminizing our male youth population. They are gaining fat around their hips and yes fat on their chests like women's bodies. I just read an article on it the other day.

I'm sorry, I don't want to upset you again, abxnomore, but what article was this and written by whom?

That is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard (trying to say that as kindly as possible, really). It's about as dumb as an article I read a while ago claiming that soy is making children gay. Maybe we are thinking of the same article?

Please don't tell me it was THIS article: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327

The article is mere opinion, for whatever that's worth (which basically makes it worthless)...

My husband was brought up on soy and he's perfectly fine. Many, many boys are fed soy milk and do not TURN gay. Saying soy or any FOOD for that matter turns someone gay is just beyond ridiculous. My husband is not sexually confused or feminine in any way whatsoever.

This article is not written by a doctor. If it were written by a doctor, I think it would be a little more convincing/make all the difference. All this guy is is the chairman of Megashift Ministries which is a website promoting evangelical books and open church. NO WONDER he's trying to blame something, anything on why some people are homosexual.

These are simply some evangalists/religious guy's theories and opinions. That is all.

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It was not that article and I do not believe that soy makes boys gay.

I refuse to correspond with you. Your tone is hostile and you are attacking me for no apparent reason.

Please direct your anger at the appropriate source or person in your life. Please try to write in a civil manner.

Stop harassing me or I will report you.

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disturbedme and abxnomore - I believe both of you have good points and both of your points have come through clearly. I appreciate your answers.

Sounds like if one carefully chooses products and consume with moderation, it is ok. I will follow that general philosophy.

Thank you all. This is very educational.

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I'm sorry you think I am harrassing you but I am NOT.

I will not respond here anymore, but had to stick up for myself this last time because I am not angry in any way and I am NOT harrassing you or attacking you. That is not the type of person I am, AT ALL and don't take that lightly.

I was just sticking up for my beliefs... as you were for yours.

I won't comment here again.

I apologize...

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abxnomore,
you mentioned whey protein with green drink added. that sounds yummy.

do you know of a good (and inexpensive???) green drink without a lot of added herbs?

Some of the herbs that are added to the drinks put me right to sleep, or else make me nervous.

ideas?

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Cotton, This is what I use and it's organic. I don't see any herbs in the green drink and this blend gives me energy:

One scoop New Chapter Berry Greens
One scoop Natural Whey Cool by Designs for Health
One scoop Red Alert by Doctors for nutrition
One scoop fresh ground flax seeds and some times
I add a spoon full of coconut oil

and I add green tea extract, astragalus and ashwagandha and I blend it all up. It tastes good and the whey protein makes it creamy. I have that for breakfast.

None of them are cheap but in the long run I think it's cheaper than a regular breakfast.

I get the Whey Protein and Red Alert for a good price from http://www.agoodvitamin.com/ and if you type in "sale" you will get 20% off the whey protein (all Designs for Health products). It's one of the best ones out there. It's pure and not made from isolate.

And I get the New Chapter Berry Green from
http://www.essenceoforganics.com/ They have the best price and you can Google for coupon codes.

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Silk rice milk. Pour it over organic cereal, chop up some strawberries or blueberries. Once you get used to rice milk, its hard to drink the regular milk or soy. For me, Im allergic to dairy I found out, so its rice milk or no milk.
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Thanks. They are really helpful.
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Try almond milk. My mom loves it and there are not any estrogens in that. Soy and soy milk has estrogen.

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Almond milk is great but the store I go to seems to only carry sweeten one. I have to look harder for it. Thanks.
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