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bv
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My Doc feels levaquin too risky because of tendonitis side effects, so i am treating Bart with biaxin.

I respect his judgment---especially since i am prone to tendonitis.

Has anyone else treated Bart with biaxin (clarithroymcin)? If yes, did it work/help?

thanks for your reply.

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I haven't heard of this, but do like Biaxin very much.

I feel better when taking that vs. any other antibiotic. Not sure what it is killing though... just know that I feel better.

I would like to know if it helps bart... that would be good.

I do believe it helps both the intercellular form of lyme as well as babesia when taken along with mepron/malarone, but not sure about bart.

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I am on it for Bart. I take 1000mg/day all at once.

After I worked my way up from 250,500,750 and then 1000, I started to feel much better.

Lots of energy and an improvement in the dizziness.

Herx reactions too. I see my doc next week and he is adding Plaquenil to this to get at the Lyme as well.

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VB---that is interesting because i also feel better on Biaxin

At various times over past 3 years i have taken doycycline, ceftin, alinia, flagyl, mepron, biaxin & minocycline for LD, Babs & now Bart.

Biaxin is the only abx that "feels" like it is making me better.

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Yes, when I go off of Biaxin (like now, because I added Levaquin and you're not supposed to take both at the same time), I always seem to crash.

I take a bunch of other things with it, but for some reason when I remove Biaxin from the mix, I can always tell.

I don't know what it is about that specific antibiotic that helps.

The same thing happened when I stopped it to take Zithromax and Rifampin. You'd think it wouldn't matter since Zithromax and Biaxin are in the same family, but it does.

Does anyone else take Biaxin for Bart? If so, I would like to stop taking Levaquin and go back to Biaxin.

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Sorry can't comment on the question re: bart but I do know that Biaxin has pretty powerful anti-inflammatory properties...could be one of the reasons people feel better on it? [Smile]
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What is SO ironic is, when I came off Biaxin one time I literally crashed...completely. It is the best drug I have ever been on.

Does anyone think it helps Bartonella...or is herbs the answer?

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I think it helps (it did wonders for me) but I'm not convinced it will bring us to remission. I'm not entirely sure what the answer is for my Bart - not Levaquin (dr says no) and my liver crashed on Rifampin (but it worked great)
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Taking both Biaxin and Plaquenil for 6 weeks. Started 1of each for a week, then 2 biaxin 1 plaquenil, then week 3,2 and 2. was doing great then had either the flu or some gi event and couldn,t tolerate the plaquenil. So have been off med for 3 weeks, my gut is still not right LLMD wants me to stay on the plaquenil, but I cant tolerate it, Ive lost 20 plus lbs. already since November. Has anyone ever had a prob with plaquenil. I know its potent stuff.
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I havent...it seems like an easy drug as long as you eat food when you take it.
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welcome denise,

please UPDATE YOUR PROFILE and go to bottom to ENABLE PRIVATE MESSAGES; that's how we send members llmd, lyme literate md info to all plus other things NOT TO BE POSTED PUBLIC BOARD. thanks!


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"With most infections, your immune system first forms IgM antibodies, then in about 2 to 4 weeks, you see IgG antibodies. In some infections, IgG antibodies may be detectable for years.

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Been about three weeks on it so far for bart.

I had one break week due to it messing with my sleep. I think i'm dealing with it ok now by taking my second dosage 30 minutes before going to bed. However I still need to work back up to 500mg twice a day, stick with 250mg for a while before going to 500mg.

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MOJO!
Mino , Clarythromycin,BACTRIM and herbs HH( up to 20 a day ) Rizols MY, Olive LEAF exstract , Knotweed..do a search her ...plenty of option.I would not sugest LEVAQUIN.

Rifampin if you can tolerate -but HH has same efect as RIFAMPIN and is best OPTION you need to stay on high dosages long enough to put it in remision.It depends on your load !

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Yes, I was on Biaxin and IV Clindamycin for Bart for 4 months.

I didn't notice much of a change in symptoms so was switched to Levaquin which seemed to pound it.

Every few months I go on and off the Levaquin.

It IS very hard to tolerate and it is sad that you cannot take it because it is one of the top drugs out there for Bart.

Let us know how the Biaxin helps!

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I have been on Biaxin for years now (more than 3). Cannot stop without serious symptoms starting again. This med has been a life saver for me.

I used Levaquin way back at the beginning (more than 6 years ago) and it worked for some time. Then it was not giving me the results anymore. I have not tried it since.

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