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I'm a little confused. Is Coptis meant to treat primarily Bartonella or Babesia?
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I was under the impression it's for lyme but also hits bart. Are you taking Dr. Zhang's herbs? He uses Artemesia to hit the babesia.

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I haven't done Zhang yet - did some Cowden antimicrobials with lots of herxing but only some minor symptom improvement.

Had a hard time with artemisinin. Just looking for anything that might result in a gain of overall functioning.

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I was told to take 6 Coptis, so I can take less HH.
Coptis works for bartonella and protozoa and other germs. Do you have the book, there is a chapter.
For babesia artemisia works in high doses. Most people have trouble starting artemisia. You need to start with 1/8 th of caps and never add more than one a week. It takes time.

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Coptis is an amazing herb.


It is meant to be part of a formula (or protocol), never alone, as it is a very cold herb and needs a balance of other ingredients.


It is discussed in this book:


http://tinyurl.com/5drx94


Lyme Disease and Modern Chinese Medicine - by Dr. QingCai Zhang, MD & Yale Zhang


web site: try www.sinomedresearch.org and use "clinic" and then "clinic" for the passwords or call Hepapro through www.hepapro.com


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptis

Coptis


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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

PubMed Search:

Coptis - 283 abstracts


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http://www.herbalremediesinfo.com/Coptis.html

Coptis


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http://www.itmonline.org

ITM Search:

Coptis - many articles with this in the text


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I was Rxed it by my LLND as part of a Lyme-fighting protocol.
I was to take it when I was taking a break from the garlic (Allicun).
Never could keep on it, though, as it caused heart palpitations for Me. (Yes... I verified that thru multiple trials.)
Still, I read good things about it.

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Coptis is good for people with liver problems and it also helps for protozoa. If you have bugs in the heart, they might react immediately.
Start always with 1/8 th of a capsule then the reaction is not so bad.

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I took coptis and R5081 as well as the rest of the protocol for 5 months and I relapsed. I believe you need to take a lot more than what is recommended and you need to feel close to well when you start it.

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nefferdun,

sorry to hear of a relapse. It's always so rough.


Whatever treatment protocol is chosen, many people find they need treatment for 6 - 12 months, or longer.


Coptis was actually one of the earlier supplements I was introduced to (Coptis and Evodia formula) and it was a miracle for my stomach. I did not then know about lyme, though.


I hope, whatever else you did after that 5 months, that you are feeling better these days.


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Neverdun,how many coptis and RO5081 did you take?
I tried a year ago and got a horrible herx from 6 RO5081 and 3 Coptis.

Now I am slowly working my way up again, obviously this treatment had hit something.

I am now on 4.5 coptis and adding.
Dr. Z told me to stay on the herbs for the rest of my life. Hopefully on a low dose.

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Good info on coptis , an herb which Dr Zhang writes about .
I have used coptis tincture from Herb Pharm , and believe it has really helped me with lyme and babs .

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Just be careful with coptis. I took it long ago, like some GRAINS of coptis powder, as I knew this was strong, one of the STRONGEST herbs in Chinese pharmacopea.

It was so strong on my stomach, like NOTHING I ever tried. Nothing caused me the tummy pain as strong as coptis did.

I think today I could drink a drop of gasoline, but I would never put a drop of coptis in my mouth!! Just go very slow in the starting point!!!!!

Years ago, there was a man who posted as Jimbob. He could stomach most things, without problem. But he had also BIG trouble with coptis and stopped it.

I believe (just a believe) that if taken in SPECIAL combination (the Chinese practioners would know which) for different people, it wouldn't cause the problem. But alone... well, I would do it only with great care and very very slow.

Start with some grains to see (I'm not kidding), and then slowly increase. I don't know about coptis tincture though.

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