lymeHerx001
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Hello everyone again from lyme or shall we say "mystery sickness" land.
I discovered that the gym that I belong to has another facility a couple towns over and they have a sauna.
I have been using it every day for the past 5 days and I feel signifigantlly better again, both in energy, pain and fatigue.
Yet the gym has those old PVC dry deck mats.
For anyone that doesnt know, I am very very chemically sensitive to PVC and mold and certain chemicals.
So these mats have been in there along time and they are still off gassing!
After about 20 minutes my vertigo acts up and for a couple hours after it my chemical sensitivities are worse! Yet my pain is better.
Is this worth it?
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lymeHerx001
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my LLMD said that its more the "heat shock proteins" that help me more then the actually detoxing abilities.
Low heat saunas take over an hour to make me sweat.
A proper FIR with wood would be ideal! But we all know that we dont live in an ideal world.
Yes the MCS is bad, but I am thinking it might turn around again. Perhaps Im just a dreamer.
I should be making appointments with 2 nerologists and one allergist per recomendation of that nice duck lady doc that though I had HIV.
I dont wish the vertigo and MCS that I have on anybody! Its definitelly the worst. Never in a million years would I have ever thought that this would happen to me.
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Hoosiers51
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They have portable FIR saunas that cost about $250 with shipping.
I bought one and I love mine!
I did let it off gas for about a month though, then I used it with a cheap painter's mask on, and it's slowly getting to the point where it will have off-gased enough that I don't think i would need the mask.
Your head is outside on these, which I like. But, since I am VERY sensitive to smells, that's why it still bugged me.
But, I think in the long run it'll be off-gassed nicely.
The regular one would fit a smaller person, 5'5"-5'6" and under I'd say. Otherwise, may need the large.
They go on sale like every other week, so I would only buy if it says they're on sale.
Also, the chair it comes with was the smelliest part of the whole thing for me, so I replaced it with a wooden stool, and got the legs sawed off a little so it would fit better.
Overall, I'm really happy with the quality of this sauna!!! It is also easy to fold up to get it out of the way.
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ps--- if you keep using the one at the gym, you could just do what I did, and buy those cheap painter's masks at walmart.
They come like 5 in a pack.
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lymeHerx001
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thanks! I allready use a wet washcloth over my face, it helps a little.
Saunas are very important for us in more then one way.
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Do you have to wash the sauna out after you use it?
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lymeHerx001
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Department of Immunology, Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot, Israel.
Extracellular heat shock protein 60 (HSP60) has been considered a proinflammatory danger signal. Yet, HSP60 can also down-regulate experimental immune arthritis and diabetes models by specific inhibition of Th1-like responses. We now report that HSP60 in vitro differentially modulates the expression of Th1/Th2 transcription factors in human T cells: HSP60 down-regulates T-bet, NF-kappaB, and NFATp and up-regulates GATA-3, leading to decreased secretion of TNF-alpha and IFN-gamma and enhanced secretion of IL-10. These effects depended on TLR2 signaling and could not be attributed to LPS or to other contaminants. In BALB/c mice, HSP60 in vivo inhibited the clinical, histological, and serological manifestations of Con A-induced hepatitis associated with up-regulated T cell expression of suppressor of cytokine signaling 3 and GATA-3 and down-regulated T-bet expression. These results provide a molecular explanation for the effects of HSP60 treatment on T cell inflammation via innate regulation of the inflammatory response.
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Although it can take longer to sweat in a low heat sauna, low heat is safer for the heart of patients who are ill. FAR INFARED heat, although seeming lower, can actually penetrate more deeply and affect tissue in beneficial ways that high heat saunas cannot.
Several of the medical abstracts from PubMed came to that conclusion that high heat saunas can be a danger for those who have certain health problems that involve the heart (as lyme does).
From a search I did some time ago, so numbers may vary:
Post-polio expert Dr. Richard Bruno points out that physical over-activity is the biggest cause of post-polio symptoms. [3] (See Dr. Bruno's "Fainting and Fatigue" in the Spring 1996 CFIDS Chronicle, page 37.)
EXCERPT:
when mice infected with Coxsackie B3 were forced to swim in a warm pool, the virulence of the virus was drastically augmented.
In fact, viral replication was augmented 530 times. This did horrendous things to the animals' hearts.
We all know that to play squash with the flu can lead to heart attacks. Much the same danger can be courted by undertaking hard exercise with M.E. [what CFS is called in the UK.]
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Interesting about the saunas. I've heard they are good for tbd treatment but I don't belong to a health club and have no access to one. This FIR portable one looks interesting.
Does anyone else have experience with this brand or are there others out there that you would recommend?
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lymeHerx001
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yes sauna for me is amazing! Its just messing with my sinuses because I have MCS....
its like does the benefit outweigh the risk
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