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Truthfinder
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Here are some excerpts from some of the articles I've run across lately. I've tried to reference every snippet, but due to lack of time, it isn't quite as organized as I'd like. Still, there's much food for thought here.

Don't take any of this information as `gospel'. Do your own research as fall approaches; make up your own mind about what's best for you and your kids.

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I can't find any convincing evidence that vaccines have ever stopped or prevented any disease epidemic. Most infectious diseases were on the decline before vaccines were ever implemented.

Some simple graphs showing the death rates from infectious diseases and vaccine intervention:
http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web1.html

More graphs, more diseases:
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

Smallpox, specifically:
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/#LeicsTable_21
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`` In the graphs notice the large numbers of deaths caused by the smallpox vaccine itself. By 1901 in the UK, more people died from the smallpox vaccination than from smallpox itself.... On any scientific analysis of the history and data, crediting smallpox vaccine for the decline in smallpox appears misplaced.

`` When during 1880-1908 the City of Leicester in England stopped vaccination compared to the rest of the UK and elsewhere, its survival rates soared and smallpox death rates plummeted [see table below]. Leicester's approach also costs far less.''
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Startling New Evidence That The 'Swine Flu' Pandemic Is Man-Made
Novartis Patent Detailed And Mass Murder Charged
By A. True Ott, PhD, ND
7-26-9

http://rense. com:80/general86 /manmd.htm

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In New York State regulation has already been passed that would require every health care worker in the state to be immunized for influenza.
http://www.bombaynews.net/story/525827

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We never know what we're REALLY getting in any vaccine. And we are still finding out what we already GOT from early vaccinations.....

quote:
.....It was the late 1950s and as an elementary school student I was lined up with my fellows and marched into a classroom to get a polio vaccination. Earlier in the decade Jonas Salk had successfully mass-produced a polio vaccine by growing a form of the virus on the kidneys of rhesus monkeys.

In 1960, however, researchers found that the polio vaccine was infected with another virus called ``Simian Virus 40.'' It was discovered that this virus causes brain and lung cancers. It took forty years for this cancer to be investigated.......

Michele Carbone, Assistant Professor of Pathology at Loyola University in Chicago, has recently isolated fragments of the SV-40 virus in human bone cancers and in a lethal form of lung cancer called mesothelioma.

He found SV-40 in 33% of the osteosarcoma bone cancers studied, in 40% of other bone cancers, and in 60% of the mesotheliomas lung cancers, writes Geraldo Fuentes.

If you watch television, you may have caught an ad about lawsuits pertaining to mesothelioma. It is said mesothelioma is a result of asbestos exposure, but research reveals that 50% of the current mesotheliomas being treated no longer occurs due to asbestos but rather the SV-40 virus contained in the polio vaccination.

In addition, according to researchers from the Institute of Histology and General Embryology of the University of Ferrara, SV-40 has turned up in a variety other tumors. By the end of 1996, dozens of scientists reported finding SV40 in a variety of bone cancers and a wide range of brain cancers, which had risen 30 percent over the previous 20 years.

The SV-40 virus is now being detected in tumors removed from people never inoculated with the contaminated vaccine, leading some to conclude that those infected by the vaccine might be spreading SV40.

The first swine flu vaccine, polio vaccines, smallpox vaccine, anthrax vaccine, hepatitis B vaccine, and most recently Lyme disease vaccine that crippled approximately 750,000 people within months of its release and prior to its recall by the FDA contain ``vaccine-injury certainty,'' explains Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz......

http://www.thecitizen.com/~citizen0/node/37660

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July 11, 2009
THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC WAS A VACCINE-CAUSED DISEASE
E. McBean (Vaccination The Silent Killer p28)
Source: Dr. Rebecca Carley

Very few people realize that the worst epidemic ever to hit America, the Spanish Influenza of 1918 was the after effect of the massive nation-wide vaccine campaign.

The doctors told the people that the disease was caused by germs. Viruses were not known at that time or they would have been blamed. Germs, bacteria and viruses, along with bacilli and a few other invisible organisms are the scapegoats, which the doctors like to blame for the things they do not understand.....

If we check back in history to that 1918 flu period, we will see that it suddenly struck just after the end of World War I when our soldiers were returning home from overseas. That was the first war in which all the known vaccines were forced on all the servicemen.

This mish-mash of poison drugs and putrid protein of which the vaccines were composed, caused such widespread disease and death among the soldiers that it was the common talk of the day, that more of our men were being killed by medical shots than by enemy shots from guns.

Thousands were invalided home or to military hospitals, as hopeless wrecks, before they ever saw a day of battle. The death and disease rate among the vaccinated soldiers was four times higher than among the unvaccinated civilians. But this did not stop the vaccine promoters. Vaccine has always been big business, and so it was continued doggedly.

It was a shorter war than the vaccine-makers had planned on, only about a year for us, so the vaccine promoters had a lot of unused, spoiling vaccines left over which they wanted to sell at a good profit.

So they did what they usually do, they called a meeting behind closed doors, and plotted the whole sordid program, a nationwide (worldwide) vaccination drive using all their vaccines, and telling the people that the soldiers were coming home with many dread diseases contracted in foreign countries and that it was the patriotic duty of every man, woman and child to get "protected" by rushing down to the vaccination centers and having all the shots.

Most people believe their doctors and government officials, and do what they say. The result was, that almost the entire population submitted to the shots without question, and it was only a matter of hours until people began dropping dead in agony, while many others collapsed with a disease of such virulence that no one had ever seen anything like it before.

They had all the characteristics of the diseases they had been vaccinated against, the high fever, chills, pain, cramps, diarrhea, etc. of typhoid, and the pneumonia like lung and throat congestion of diphtheria and the vomiting, headache, weakness and misery of hepatitis from the jungle fever shots, and the outbreak of sores on the skin from the smallpox shots, along with paralysis from all the shots, etc.

The doctors were baffled, and claimed they didn't know what caused the strange and deadly disease, and they certainly had no cure. They should have known the underlying cause was the vaccinations, because the same thing happened to the soldiers after they had their shots at camp. The typhoid fever shots caused a worse form of the disease, which they called para-typhoid. Then they tried to suppress the symptoms of that one with a stronger vaccine, which caused a still more serious disease, which killed and disabled a great many men.

The combination of all the poison vaccines fermenting together in the body, caused such violent reactions that they could not cope with the situation. Disaster ran rampant in the camps. Some of the military hospitals were filled with nothing but paralyzed soldiers, and they were called war casualties, even before they left American soil.

I talked to some of the survivors of that vaccine onslaught when they
returned home after the war, and they told of the horrors, not of the war itself, and battles, but of the sickness at camp.

The doctors didn't want this massive vaccine disease to reflect on them, so they, agreed among themselves to call it Spanish Influenza. Spain was a far away place and some of the soldiers had been there, so the idea of calling it Spanish Influenza seemed to be a good way to lay the blame on someone else. The Spanish resented having us name the world scourge on them. They knew the flu didn't originate in their country.

20,000,000 died of that flu epidemic, worldwide, and it seemed to be almost universal or as far away as the vaccinations reached. Greece and a few other countries, which did not accept the vaccines, were the only ones that were not hit by the flu. Doesn't that prove something?

At home (in the U.S.) the situation was the same; the only ones who escaped the influenza were those who had refused the vaccinations. My family and 1 were among the few who persisted in refusing the high pressure sales propaganda, and none of us had the flu not even a sniffle, in spite of the fact that it was all around us, and in the bitter cold of winter.

Everyone seemed to have it. The whole town was down sick and dying. The hospitals were closed because the doctors and nurses were down with the flu. Everything was closed, schools, businesses, post office everything. No one was on the streets. It was like a ghost town.

There were no doctors to care for the sick, so my parents went from house to house doing what they could to help the stricken in any way they could. They spent all day and part of the night for weeks, in the sick rooms, and came home only to eat and sleep. If germs or viruses, bacteria, or any other little organisms were the cause of that disease, they had plenty of opportunity to latch onto my parents and "lay them low" with the disease that had prostrated the world.

But germs were not the cause of that or any other disease, so they didn't "catch" it. I have talked to a few other people since that time, who said they escaped the 1918 flu, so I asked if they had the shots, and in every case, they said they had never believed in shots and had never had any of them.

Common sense tells us that all those toxic vaccines all mixed up together in people, could not help but cause extreme body-poisoning and poisoning of some kind or another is usually the cause of disease.....

The 1918 flu was the most devastating disease we ever had, and it brought forth all the medical bag of tricks to quell it, but those added drugs, all of which are poisons, only intensified the over-poisoned condition of the people, so the treatments actually killed more than the flu did.

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/health/vaccinations/news.php?q=1248466020


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".....Furthermore, since the swine flu vaccine includes squalene, a dangerous adjuvant that contributed to Gulf War Syndrome cases, there's little doubt that it will lead to debilitating lifelong diseases far more deadly than the swine flu virus itself for thousands of children if a mass vaccination campaign is conducted.

According to Meryl Nass, M.D., ``A novel feature of the two H1N1 vaccines being developed by companies Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline is the addition of squalene-containing adjuvants to boost immunogenicity and dramatically reduce the amount of viral antigen needed. This translates to much faster production of desired vaccine quantities.''

``Research shows that squalene is the experimental anthrax vaccine ingredient that caused devastating autoimmune diseases and deaths for many Gulf War veterans from the US, UK, and Australia, yet it continues in use today and for new vaccines development in labs,'' writes Stephen Lendman.

According to award-winning investigative journalist Gary Matsumoto, there's a ``close match between the squalene-induced diseases in animals and those observed in humans injected with this oil: rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus erythematosus.''

``There are now data in more than two dozen peer-reviewed scientific papers, from ten different laboratories in the US, Europe, Asia and Australia, documenting that squalene-based adjuvants can induce autoimmune diseases in animals...observed in mice, rats, guinea pigs and rabbits. Sweden's Karolinska Institute has demonstrated that squalene alone can induce the animal version of rheumatoid arthritis..........

Squalene ``contributed to the cascade of reactions called ``Gulf War syndrome. (GIs developed) arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS, Raynaud's phenomenon, Sjorgren's syndrome, chronic diarrhea, night sweats and low-grade fever.''

http://www.infowars.com/12000-u-s-children-to-be-swine-flu-vaccine-guinea-pigs/

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A patent for the new swine flu vaccine was applied for 8 months before it actually emerged........

quote:
We are told that the drug companies and the World Health Organisation have been working at fever pitch to develop a vaccine for the 'new' swine flu strain known as H1N1, but ..... Baxter International filed a patent for the H1N1 vaccine on August 28th 2008.
[Link to pdf file of the actual Patent application is in the article.]


It says:

'... In particular preferred embodiments the composition or vaccine comprises more than one antigen ... such as influenza A and influenza B in particular selected from of one or more of the human H1N1, H2N2, H3N2, H5N1, H7N7, H1N2, H9N2, H7N2, H7N3, H10N7 subtypes, of the pig flu H1N1, H1N2, H3N1 and H3N2 subtypes, of the dog or horse flu H7N7, H3N8 subtypes or of the avian H5N1, H7N2, H1N7, H7N3, H13N6, H5N9, H11N6, H3N8, H9N2, H5N2, H4N8, H10N7, H2N2, H8N4, H14N5, H6N5, H12N5 subtypes.'

The patent was published in March 2009, a month before the virus was released in Mexico in April, but it was filed seven months before this 'new strain' was officially known about. It is the most blatant set-up you could ever see.

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/25191

[This is a very spooky article about what MAY BE happening on a global scale, so don't read it if you over-react to `conspiracy' articles.]

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..... Other vaccine ingredients
Why are so many voices being raised against vaccines? Is it simply because of mercury? No. There are other ingredients in vaccines which raise the hackles of conscientious doctors.

Vaccines contain carcinogens like formaldehyde, phenol, glycol, glutamic acid etc. Human and animal serum and tissues used in vaccines have helped more than 60 recognised animal viruses cross over to humans of which two, SV 20 and SV 40, both simian viruses, have till now been identified as damaging.

Causal studies have revealed that SV 40 is behind many cases of Non Hodgkin's Lymphoma, a form of cancer. The SV 40 is now with us permanently and is found in cancerous tumours, the brain, lymphatic and cerebro spinal fluid and also in the sperm. The Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIV), similarly transferred, is suspected to have morphed into the dreaded HIV in humans.

In these days where nano bacteria and nano viruses are being studied, virologists suspect that billions of foreign viruses and bacteria have crossed over by the use of animal and human serum in vaccines. How they could be affecting us is anybody's guess. Vaccines are clearly playing Russian Roulette with our lives.

Antibiotics like neomycin, penicillin and streptomycin form a part of vaccines. These antibiotics should not be injected without a skin test and are reportedly behind most cases of anaphylactic shock, seizures and death immediately following the vaccines. .....

....... A CDC document declared in December 2006 that "no vaccine is fully safe or effective". What it does not say, is why then should we continue with them? What is the rationale behind injecting new born babies with known and studied poisons? What purpose does this madness serve?

The medical community will have a lot of answering to do when finally the bubble bursts and the whole sordid business of death and disease surfaces. Already angry parents all over US, UK and Europe are calling for Nuremburg style human rights trials for the accused.....
http://www.hpathy.com/papersnew/rebello-vaccines-unsafe-untested.asp

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Vaccine Fillers and Ingredients

In addition to the viral and bacterial RNA or DNA that is part of the vaccines, here are the fillers:

aluminum hydroxide
aluminum phosphate
ammonium sulfate
amphotericin B
animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,
dog kidney, monkey kidney,
chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
calf (bovine) serum
betapropiolactone
fetal bovine serum
formaldehyde
formalin
gelatin
glycerol
human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
hydrolized gelatin
monosodium glutamate (MSG)
neomycin
neomycin sulfate
phenol red indicator
phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
potassium diphosphate
potassium monophosphate
polymyxin B
polysorbate 20
polysorbate 80
porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
residual MRC5 proteins
sorbitol
sucrose
thimerosal (mercury)
tri(n)butylphosphat e,
VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells
washed sheep red blood cells

(http://articles. mercola.com/ sites/articles/ archive/2001/ 03/07/vaccine- ingredients. aspx)

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Pandemic Vaccination - Why You Should Be Concerned
August 18, 2009
by Dr. A. True Ott

As the summer of 2009 winds down, the debate over "pandemic" vaccinations in the nation's "public" schools is beginning to ramp up.

According to the Associated Press, hundreds of public schools are "heeding the government's call to set up flu clinics in the fall, preparing for what could be the most WIDESPREAD SCHOOL VACCINATIONS since the days of polio."

Yet, despite all of the "hype" and fear-mongering, a few very important questions remain unanswered, and concerned citizens are still being left in the dark. Some basic questions should be very simple ones for Washington to answer. Who is paying for these millions of experimental vaccines? Is this yet another government "bailout program" this time to enrich Big Pharma?

The single biggest question that this writer personally asked of HHS Secretary Sebelius two months ago in an "open letter" is simply: "WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS OF THE VACCINES?"

Can Americans be 100% guaranteed that toxic squalene (an oil-in-water adjuvant) and live viruses will not be part of the ingredient list, since on July 13, the World Health Organization approved these substances to be included in the vaccines?

Again, I would ask Ms. Sebelius: "Please give us an INDEPENDENT analysis of the contents of the various 'vaccines' before asking us to roll up our sleeves and take the shots ESPECIALLY our precious children." All we are asking for, Secretary Sebelius, is INFORMED CONSENT; instead, you consistently appear to be demanding blind, robotic TRUST as you IGNORE these basic questions.

Typically, when someone is afraid to give full and honest disclosure, it is because they have something to hide. What is the government hiding?

I would respectfully remind Secretary Sebelius that her own FDA, as well as the FTC, is the watchdog over consumer products and their safety. Various Truth in Labeling laws provide for the COMPLETE and ACCURATE listing of product ingredients on the labels.

Thanks to these laws, this author can receive full disclosure of the chemicals and preservatives in a bag of Cheetos, and thus, I can make an informed decision to purchase and consume the product or abstain from the same as the case may be. Nobody is forcing me, to buy and eat a bag of Cheetos.

Yet, the CDC and the federal government's "health and human services" division do not seem inclined to apply these same basic consumer-protection laws to the pandemic flu vaccines. Again one must ask, "Why is this?"

Furthermore, if my bag of Cheetos happens to have some toxic mold growing in the product, which makes me deadly ill --- I have the basic right to sue the company for damages. Not so with these vaccines.

Not only do we the people not know what specific chemicals and viruses are being shot directly into our bloodstreams, but again according to an Associated Press article, the vaccine companies have been given blanket immunity from lawsuits.

This of course leads us to ask yet another question, "If the vaccines are so safe, why does Big Pharma need such sweeping lawsuit protections in place?"

THE EMEA PROVIDES DISCLOSURE

Over the weekend, a gentleman in Belgium sent a very interesting e-mail. He had finally succeeded in getting a document from the European Medicines Agency (EMEA -the European Union's equivalent of America's FDA) that listed the basic ingredients in the primary "pandemic flu" vaccine being purchased for Europe GlaxoSmithKline's (GSK) PANDEMRIX vaccine. This EMEA Document is very, very revealing.

The vaccine consists of:

Active Substance: Pandemic influenza vaccine (H5N1) (split virion, inactivated, adjuvanted) A/VietNam/1194/2004 NIBRG-14.

Clearly, this is BIRD FLU vaccine, with the isolated antigen being the VietNam killer bird flu virus that has exhibited such a high mortality rate amongst victims in that country.

The problem is, according to the WHO, the pandemic flu threatening Europe and the world is not a BIRD FLU (H5N1) virus at all, but is a "Novel" Swine Flu (H1N1) virus. How is it possible that such a specific BIRD FLU VACCINE would give any immune protection to a "Novel" Swine Flu "pandemic" virus?

It would seem that GSK is trying to unload stockpiles of its "Avian Pandemic Flu" vaccine by disguising it as a generic "Pandemic" vaccine under the name "PANDEMRIX"!! Why is the EMEA allowing this to happen? Will the FDA follow the EMEA's lead and allow "Pandemrix" bird flu viruses to be shot into millions of school children in America? Or will it be only Novartis or Novavax vaccines allowed in America? When will Americans be given FULL DISCLOSURE OF THE LABELING, and the COMPANIES UNDER CONTRACT??

Notice also that GSK's "Pandemrix" circular declares that the virus included in the vaccine has been "adjuvanted" but it doesn't disclose the specific adjuvant used. It is very likely "oil-in-water" adjuvant, aka squalene but this is not fully disclosed.

A very real concern of virologists worldwide is that the relatively benign "Novel" Swine Pandemic Flu threatening the world today, could turn into a much more dangerous killer if it somehow were able to blend with a known high-morbidity-producing virus, such as the VietNam strain of H5N1.

It would appear that injecting millions of people with PANDREMIX "adjuvanted" H5N1 Bird Flu viruses could indeed create the 'Perfect Storm' as far as a pandemic is concerned.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14821

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Thsnks Tracy. If people cannot believe Lyme How do we expect them to believe this?

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If you check the information as deaths reported, age and recommendations, strains given, strains reported as cause of death, and most jabs given, it is not hard to figure out. But many refuse to believe.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2008-2009/weekly14.htm

http://maker.geocommons.com/maps/5062

http://finder.geocommons.com/overlays/12308

They added a strain last year and more childrens deaths were recorded. If everyone in a nursing home got the jab why was the rate of death so high?

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Thanks tons ! I had accessed these graphs before then lost them.
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Very few people realize that the worst epidemic ever to hit America, the Spanish Influenza of 1918 was the after effect of the massive nation-wide vaccine campaign.

In everything I've read about the 1918 Influenza, this is the first time I've ever seen this information.

I've been interested in the subject ever since I found out that my grandmother survived the disease as a newlywed.
If she hadn't survived, my father wouldn't have been born several years later.

Now, perhaps I missed this story, but it's difficult to believe that it never surfaced before.

I would do more investigation before I'd believe everything in that article.

Carol

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I didn't read all the articles or all the links, but the link to the David Icke website certainly made me cast doubt on the validity of any of the arguments.

I'm not saying that the premises of the articles in general are not correct -- i have no idea -- but the particular website i looked at was anything but objective -- full of sweeping generalizations, accusations, and overall, reflecting a shrill tone.

I tend to agree with Carol about the 1918 epidemic. Remember that the U.S. and much of the world were rural in those days, and i would imagine that rural peoples may have tended NOT to get vaccinated, so my guess would be they didn't die of a vaccine -- just speculation, and if someone can prove me wrong, please do.

I'd be interested in seeing more facts before i buy into some of these arguments.

Truthfinder, you are right: there is a lot of food for thought here.

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quote:

In everything I've read about the 1918 Influenza, this is the first time I've ever seen this information.

Back in 1977 a doctor by the name of Dr. Eleanora McBean wrote about this in her book "Swine Flu Expose."


http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sf.html


Even way back in 1957 Dr. McBean wrote about the potentially negative health effects of vaccines. Her 1957 book was entitled "THE POISONED NEEDLE Suppressed Facts About Vaccination".


http://www.whale.to/a/mcbean.html


http://www.amazon.com/Poisoned-Needle-Suppressed-Facts-Vaccination/dp/144213129

****I have no idea whether or not Dr. McBean's hypothesis about vaccination playing a role the 1918 flu epidemic and deaths is based upon credible facts/science or not.

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Oct. 2006 developing a vaccine just in case.

WERE THERE VACCINES IN 1918? YES
http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=70453


CHILDREN CONTRACTING SYPHILIS IN VACCINES 1865
http://tinyurl.com/mbu5x7


http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2006/oct/17/news/chi-0610170182oct17

The more they investigated, the more bacteria emerged as the true killers, an idea now

supported by most influenza experts.

For instance, had a super virus been responsible for most deaths, one might expect people to die

fairly rapidly, or at least for most cases to follow a similar progression. However, Shanks and

Brundage found that few people died within three days of showing symptoms, while most people

lasted more than a week, some survived two - all hallmarks of pneumonia.


In the end it was bacteria for which they did not have antibiotics to treat the secondary

infections.The published reports "clearly and consistently implicated secondary bacterial

pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory flora in most influenza fatalities," says Dr.

Morens. Pathologists of the time, he adds, were nearly unanimous in the conviction that deaths

were not caused directly by the then-unidentified influenza virus, but rather resulted from severe

secondary pneumonia caused by various bacteria. Absent the secondary bacterial infections, many

patients might have survived, experts at the time believed. Indeed, the availability of antibiotics

during the other influenza pandemics of the 20th century, specifically those of 1957 and 1968, was

probably a key factor in the lower number of worldwide deaths during those outbreaks, notes Dr. Morens.
http://www.nih.gov/news/health/aug2008/niaid-19.htm


Doc who tried one on hisself dies. Dr. Cory Dies.
http://tinyurl.com/nf4hwg

CHILDREN CONTRACTING SYPHILIS IN VACCINES 1865
http://tinyurl.com/mbu5x7

Why do you suppose of all the flu's there is not one American Flu? We have Spanish, Asian, Hong Kong, Russian, Swine, Bird, You name it.

The origins of this influenza variant is not precisely known. It is thought to have originated in China in a rare genetic shift of the influenza virus. The recombination of its surface proteins created a virus novel to almost everyone and a loss of herd immunity. Recently the virus has been reconstructed from the tissue of a dead soldier and is now being genetically characterized. The name of Spanish Flu came from the early affliction and large mortalities in Spain (BMJ,10/19/1918) where it allegedly killed 8 million in May (BMJ, 7/13/1918). However, a first wave of influenza appeared early in the spring of 1918 in Kansas and in military camps throughout the US. Few noticed the epidemic in the midst of the war. Wilson had just given his 14 point address. There was virtually no response or acknowledgment to the epidemics in March and April in the military campshttp://virus.stanford.edu/uda/

First reported case was at Camp Funston Kansas. March 4,1918, From its outbreak it spread to other military bases throughout the country and washed up in Europe in April as troops unloaded in France. First reported case was at Camp Funston Kansas. March 4,1918, From its outbreak it spread to other military bases throughout the country and washed up in Europe in April as troops unloaded in France.
http://tinyurl.com/lnytr6

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I found an article by Dr. Tim O'Shea that really made sense and put it on my blog. He also wrote an informative book about vaccines. The title of his article is Swine Flu: New Pandemic or Just Makin Bacon? http://lymesentinel.blogspot.com/search/label/FLU%20PROPAGANDA

Also Mary Tocco has an excellent video that is wonderful for anyone but especially for parents. All her information is backed up
http://www.marytocco.com/

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quote:
Originally posted by Pinelady:

WERE THERE VACCINES IN 1918? YES
http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=70453

Okay, I looked at this link.
I do not think this is a reliable source.

Although there were vaccines in 1918, they had not developed a vaccine to influenza.
They couldn't have, as they didn't have the technology to work with viruses.

This source claims that the other vaccines that soldiers received were the cause of the influenza.
And that the rest of the people in the world contracted influenza by the same method...receiving multiple vaccinations.

Very interesting, but I'm not going to believe that just from reading that book.

Another poster on that thread, night driver, suggests that the writer's premise is absurd.

That whole thing seems to be poorly written.
It is based on remembered experiences, but is full of assumptions and lacking facts and references.

Are we even arguing about the same thing?

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Thanks for all the responses.

Pinelady, a couple of your links are WAY too long and made the whole thread go super-wide. Any run-on text over a line long will cause this to happen. Could you maybe shorten those using this link?

http://tinyurl.com/create.php

Carol, that's why I posted this excerpt about the 1918 flu - I'd never read or heard this either. When that book was published in 1977, not many people were listening but some were starting to ask serious questions about vaccination. Our autism rates hadn't yet skyrocketed; Gulf War Syndrome hadn't emerged, Fibromyalgia wasn't a recognized medical `syndrome', and on and on.

This one will be tough to research, won't it. Nearly 100 years after the fact, there are few left who were there. All that can be done at this stage is attempt to connect the dots. I think we can understand where we are now by learning what happened back then. That is IF we can find factual information. McBean's theory based on experience represents one possibility.

One thing we do know is that vaccination messes with the immune system. And any time the immune system is out of whack, there's a greater chance for disease or a `disease state'. Therefore, what McBean proposes is certainly conceivable.

And here's something that really nags at me:

``Human and animal serum and tissues used in vaccines have helped more than 60 recognized animal viruses cross over to humans of which two, SV 20 and SV 40, both simian viruses, have till now been identified as damaging.''

This suggests to me that so many `emerging diseases' of today were probably created by US, unintentionally. Now that we're aware of this, why are we still doing it?

Well, gotta run for now. Keep asking questions on BOTH sides of this issue.

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No One is arguing here. Everyone has to hopefully be able to make up their own mind and do what they think is best. Internet is a wonderful thing but you still have your own mind.

Risk of Transmission. The vaccine may also produce a mild rash within about a month of the vaccination, which has been known to transmit chicken pox to others. Individuals who have recently been vaccinated should avoid close contact with anyone who might be susceptible to severe complications from chicken pox until the risk for a rash has passed.
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This is of concern to me, Pine Lady. Any suggestions on how to deal with the fact that I teach in a University Medical building that holds flu clinics or the fact that my congenital kids will be around vaccinated kids in school/pre-school?

They say the vaccine is "attenuated" and can't cause disease in bystanders. I don't believe it.

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Attenuated means weakened. This may help.


http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/attenuated+vaccine

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Peacemama I would find some of the many nurses who

have been crippled by the HepB vaccine to help you.

I know one here who has been nearly bed ridden for

10 years. I know what you mean about your kids. I

am hoping if it comes they will all be sent home.

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quote:
But germs were not the cause of that or any other disease, so they didn't "catch" it. I have talked to a few other people since that time, who said they escaped the 1918 flu, so I asked if they had the shots, and in every case, they said they had never believed in shots and had never had any of them.
What a load of ...!

So now you want us to believe that in 1918-19 people were not dying of the 'flu but of the 'flu vaccination!!

Of all the nonsense that gets posted on the Net this is one of the most ridiculous.

Yes soldiers returning from WWI would've obviously helped spread the illness but how silly to imagine that people in rural Europe for eg were lining up for 'flu vaccination. Do you have any notion of how people lived around WWI?

And what IS this c--p about "germs not being the cause of that or any other disease"? That's one sentence that instantly disqualifies the whole article.

As for the nice unvaccinated healthy family who went round caring for the sick and dying vaccinated fools! Give us a break!

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Eleanor McBean did not say that the the flu vaccine caused the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic.

Dr. McBean claimed that it was the vaccines available at that time that caused much of the 1918 flu deaths.

The vaccines that were commonly administered to the WWI soldiers were the typhoid, paratyphoid A and B plus the smallpox vaccine.


http://tinyurl.com/lgwnqt


Also, Dr. McBean seemed to be a believer in Antoine Bchamp's terrain theory of disease.

Essentially, Antoine Bchamp believed that it was the internal terrain of the body that allowed germs to flourish and cause disease. So, to Bechamp the real culprit in the causation of disease is the state of the body's internal terrain and the immune system and not the germ.

A good example of Bechamp's terrain theory would be the yeast Candida.

If you take antibiotics or eat a lot of sugar then you will change the internal terrain of your body in a way that allows Candida (the "germ") to flourish and thus the candida will then cause you to have health problems. But was the real culprit to your health problems the Candida or your body's internal terrain? Change your body's internal terrain in a positive way and Candida will not flourish.

What about vitamin and mineral deficiencies, could this also change your internal body terrain and weaken the immune system?? What about internal toxins? Would toxins within the body such as heavy metals or pesticides change your internal body terrain and weaken the immune system?? Would these resulting changes in your internal body terrain and immune system not make it easier for germs to become established in the body and cause health problems??


So, to Dr. McBean vaccination caused the internal terrain of the body and the immune system to change in a negative way. And it was this change in the internal terrain of the body and a weakened immune system that caused many of the 1918 flu epidemic deaths.

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However, a few proposed treatment did incorporate scientific ideas of germ theory and the immune

system. O'Malley and Hartman suggested to treat influenza patients with the serum of convalescent

patients. They utilize the theorized antibodies to boost the immune system of sick patients.

Other treatments were "digitalis," the administration of isotonic glucose and sodium

bicarbonate intravenously which was done in military camps (JAMA, 1/4/1919). Ross and Hund

too utilized ideas about the immune system and properties of the blood to neutralize toxins and

circulate white blood cells. They believed that the best treatment for influenza should aim to:

"...neutralize or render the intoxicant inert...and prevent the blood destruction wit its

destructive leukopenia and lessened coagulability," (JAMA, 3/1/1919). They tried to

create a therapeutic immune serum to fight infection. These therapies built on current

scientific ideas and represented the highest biomedical, technological treatment like the

antitoxin to diphtheria.

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I wonder if vaccines available in 1917-1918 contained Calomel??

Calomel (mercurous chloride) contains the toxic heavy metal mercury. Mercury is extremely toxic and immuno-suppressive. If the vaccines back in 1917-1918 contained mercury then that would definitely change the body's internal terrain.

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Map from Stanford of 1918 Epidemic.

Now when you look at this you must remember when and where this started and when it ended.


http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/flustat.html

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Th Washoe Indian tribe survived the 1918 pandemic by using an herb called LOMATIUM dissectum.

LOMATIUM protected the tribe from the 1918 flu. No one died.

QUOTE

/www.lomatium.com/

When the influenza epidemic hit Northern Nevada in 1918, Ernst Krebs MD of Carson City was surprised to see the local Washoe people recovering, and he inquired as to their medicine. They called it "Toh-sa" or "Do-sa". Dr. Krebs called it Balsamea, due to its biting odor of balsamic resins. Botanists named it Leptotaenia dissecta until 1942 when it was renamed Lomatium dissectum, a slightly different classification..


Dr. Krebs Uses Lomatium for Influenza Epidemic

The following is verbatim from: Bulletin of the Nevada State Board of Health , No. 1 , Carson City, Nevada , January, 1920

AN INDIAN REMEDY FOR INFLUENZA

In publishing this paper the State Board of Health does not give its endorsement to the remedy until it has had further trial. We merely present the facts as stated by Dr. Krebs, with the idea of giving the matter publicity and encouraging others to give it a trial.

During the fall of 1918 when the influenza epidemic visited this section of Nevada, the Washoe Indian used a root in the treatment of their sick which was gathered along the foot-hills of this slope of the Sierra. The plant proved to be a rare species of the parsley family (Leptotaemia dissecta*), according to a report from the University of California.

The Indians gather this root in the late fall, November being considered the proper month for gathering. The root is used in the fresh or dry state. It is cut up and a decoction is made by boiling the root in water, skimming off the top and giving large doses of the broth. A pound of root is considered about the proper dose to treat a case of fever for three days, which is the longest time needed to break up a fever due to influenza or a pulmonary disease, although the Washoes used it as a panacea. Whether a coincidence or not, there was not a single death in the Washoe tribe from influenza or its complications, although Indians living in other parts of the State where the root did not grow died in numbers. It was such a remarkable coincidence that the root was investigated by a practicing physician who saw apparently hopeless cases recover without any other medication or care of any kind. A preparation was prepared and employed in a great many cases among the whites, from the mildest to the most virulent types of influenza, and it proved, among other things, that it is the nearest approach we have today to a specific in epidemic influenza and the accompanying pneumonia. Where used early it proved itself to be a reliable agent in preventing pulmonary complications. Other physicians were induced to give it a trial, with the same results. It is beyond the experimental stage, as its therapeutic action in this direction is established and beyond any doubt. The cases in which it has been used run into the hundreds. There is probably no therapeutic agent so valuable in the treatment of influenzal pneumonia and, as far as being tried, in ordinary lobar pneumonia if started early. Its action on coughs is more certain than the opiate expectorants and its benefit is lasting. It acts as a powerful tonic to the respiratory mucous membranes. It is a bronchial, intestinal and urinary antiseptic and is excreted by these organs. It seems to stimulate the pneogastries (sic) and causes a slow pulse with increased volume and reduced tension. It is a pronounced diaphoretic and somewhat diuretic, and it is a stimulating and sedative expectorant. In large doses it is a laxative, and in extreme doses emetic.

To make a therapeutically active preparation, the proper variety of the root must be selected in the late fall and properly cured out of the sun. Its active principles must be extracted with as little as possible of the objectionable constituents. The active principles of the root are decidedly complex. It contains a glucoside (as its solutions precipitate copper from Fehling's solution). It contains one or more alkaloids and an acid analogous to benzoic acid, one or more volatile and fixed oils, a resin and a gum. It can be seen from this that it resembles a balsam from the fact that it contains an oleogumresin and an acid besides alkaloids and glucosides. One can at once appreciate the fact that a reliable pharmaceutical preparation representing the action of the root is not readily made. The volatile oil, which is one of the principal therapeutic agents, is lost in making a decoction.

This particular variety of Leptotaemia* is not as common as believed as some, and it is this particular variety that has medicinal or therapeutic virtues. It grows in dry sandy soil, as a rule, under or between tall sagebrush or greasewood. The plant grows from two to four feet high and has a blossom similar to wild parsnip and leaves like a carrot. It is a perennial, and the older roots frequently weigh from two to six pounds. It sprouts early in April, blooms in May, seeds in June, and withers in July. A number of trials in transplanting the root have been made, but none were successful.

Leptotaemia dissecta * is destined to become one of the most useful if not the most important addition to our vegetable materia medica.


ERNST T. KREBS, M.D. Carson City, Nevada.

* The botanical name was changed in 1942 by Matthias and Constance, from Leptotaenia dissecta to Lomatium dissectum.

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That Lomatium sounds pretty interesting....

emla999, thanks for explaining some things about the erroneous reference to `flu vaccination' and the `terrain vs. germ theories'......

PINELADY! Where are you? It's really difficult for me to try to read anything on this thread. I don't deal well with print on the screen anyway, and this is causing some major eye problems for me. Could you please, please fix your long links? It sure would be appreciated.

I had lunch with a `new' friend up here from Mississippi who has been an RN for close to 40 years. She has no major chronic health problems, and she certainly doesn't have Lyme.

When I asked her if she planned to get the `swine flu shot', her answer really surprised me...... Not just `no,' but ``HELL, NO!!!!!'' In fact, she said she'll never get another vaccination for ANYTHING.

I thought that was worth something, coming from someone who's been in the medical field for such a long time.

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truthfinder...

that answer from an rn IS really surprising-i posted somewhere when i told my kids and their spouses i hoped they wouldn't get vaccine how my (VERY INTELLIGENT, by the way) daughter-in-law -who is in critical care-wrote back saying "she most certainly would get the vaccine"

it bummed me out. that means my son will get it too. and another son-in-law is a marine ready to be deployed so he will probably get it and if all that stuff is contageous my daughter will get it...and i have a grandson starting college and living at home...and my last son is engaged to another healthcare worke....gees...i never thought thru how bad this is

i'm gonna isolate. and take herbs.

it jumped to turkeys from humans. i'll be in trouble if it jumps to dogs or horses. i know i couldn't give up my dog. we'll either survive it together or not.

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i wish i had a short really good quality study showing the problems with the vaccine-every time i send my health worker kids something they say it is "sensationalism and bs)

it can't be long cuz they'll just delete it...guess i need to find something from yale...ha ha...good luck to me

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The old `Catch 22', eh Ipkayak? People want evidence from the very institutions that deny that there's a problem.

Apparently, there is some credible, `scientific' evidence, but most of it may not be accessible by the public..... for example:

quote:
``There are now data in more than two dozen peer-reviewed scientific papers, from ten different laboratories in the US, Europe, Asia and Australia, documenting that squalene-based adjuvants can induce autoimmune diseases in animals...observed in mice, rats, guinea pigs and rabbits. Sweden's Karolinska Institute has demonstrated that squalene alone can induce the animal version of rheumatoid arthritis..........''

I certainly don't have access to any `peer-reviewed scientific papers', do you? I've never figured out how to search for documents at sites like PubMed, but there must be SOMETHING out there. And the very people with access to credible evidence won't look for it.

Like Pinelady said, `If people cannot believe Lyme, how do we expect them to believe this?'

My brother came for a brief visit this week-end. I gave him a small bottle of a homeopathic remedy to use for flu prevention should he ever think he has been exposed. I explained to him that there's a reason why the only memorial to a physician in Washington D.C. is to Samuel Hahnemann, the `father' of homeopathy, because homeopathy was so instrumental in saving lives during the early epidemics in this country.

And while he thanked me for the remedy, I'm quite sure he'll never use it. In fact, I have a sneaking suspicion that he'll pitch that little bottle in the nearest trash can when he unpacks his suitcase. Oh, well. I did my best to help, doing what I thought was right. And he'll do what he thinks is right. That's all we can do, Ip.

Oh, and I also sent him home with a copy of the Under Our Skin film. Should be interesting to see if he gives me much feedback about it. I can tell that neither he nor his wife are convinced about this whole Lyme business.

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I KNOW...i probably won't respond to her or say anything else cuz i don't want to make problems in their marriages...the ole crazy mother-in-law that i am...

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I've already stated my opinion many times over on these vaccination threads, but I'll be happy to do it again on this one - I will NEVER get another vaccine in my life.

If you REALLY think about it, it's so unnatural. Allowing yourself to be injected with a mix of killed and live viruses, antibiotics and chemicals to KEEP from getting sick? No thanks. I'll take my chances with the real thing.

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Truthfinder,

If a thread has gone superwide, you can get an improved view of it by going down to the bottom left corner, and click on

"Printer-friendly view of this topic."


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Sorry I'll get someone to do it. I can't get it to work.

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Carol, I think you just saved my eyeballs. (I'd forgotten all about that 'printer-friendly' thing.) [Big Grin]

Pinelady, I'll help you.... I'll send you a PM (hope PMs are working at the moment).

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Tracy,

Do you have a recommendation for a flu remedy/vaccine remedy for someone in the Army who must take the vaccine?

Can a soldier take some pre-remedy to the vaccine, if forced by the military to get it, and also take something afterwards to counteract the vaccine?

Need help

Thanks
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Just read this link on curezone.com about a suggested remedy from Dr.O ?

Any thoughts on this protocol? Or is there something easier for a soldier to administer?


http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp

"Here is what he said he would do to get the bad stuff out of your body and kill off any injected viruses if he could not avoid a mandatory injection,:

Drink half a bottle to a bottle of superior colloidal silver the first day
and half a bottle a day for a few days afterward.

Take superior digestive enzymes -

as many as 10 every hour or so for the first day and half a dozen twice a day on an empty stomach for a few days after that, which will dissolve the coatings around any viruses and enable them to be killed off by the colloidal silver and immune system.
A good product/price combination would be: Jarrow Enzymes Plus.

Another top quality product that I like a lot is Univase Forte, and Jon Barron has an excellent proteolytic enzymes product as well.

Be sure to take other some good anti-virals, such as:

* Garlic
* Olive leaf extract
* Oil of wild mountain oregano
* Grapefruit seed extract

Take a good immune booster such as
Sutherlandia OPC or the wonderful RM-10 mushroom product (also made by Garden of Life and also available at iHerb and other outlets).

Cleanse and detox the entire body, including a good metal removal product such as Jon Barron's Metal Magic or perhaps EDTA.

According to Dr.K.O., the best protocol of all would be to avoid the vaccine and follow a flu avoidance protocol such as the one I suggest here:

htttp://www.tbyil.com/Flu.htm"

any thoughts group?

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LP, there IS some homeopathic help for those who must get vaccinations (for whatever reason). And it's simple and cheap.

Let me look up some info on that. I'm not entirely comfortable with what I used on my pets last time, and I'd like to find a more appropriate remedy or two. I'll get back to you on this....

Half and whole bottles of colloidal silver? Uh, I won't go there. I like CS, but not in that quantity.

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Pinelady, you did it! Thanks so much.....

Nice job, I might add. [Smile]

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Thanks for the help.

I like this treatment

http://rense.com/general87/vaccin.htm

But if this behaves like the old one antibiotics

should be what is stockpiled now.

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Thanks Tracy,

I would like to have something simple to take in my arsenal for my soldier as well as having a basket of the right things in the house with a "go to" protocol!

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nellypointis i think whoever wrote that article you're refering to was drunk. But still the fact was that the vaccine is what killed so many people. I'll lay this out more sensibly here.

Our soldiers were vaccinated long before anyone else and they were the first ones to get sick before they even left the country. The war took place and it was shorter than the vaccine manufacturers expected so they still had tons of vaccines left over. So then nearly a year after the soldiers first got vaccinated and sick the american public was then vaccinated. Now the american public was fine up until vaccination and that's when they got sick.

So that's one main piece of evidence there.
Then there's the fact that a couple countries in Europe refused the vaccination program and they had no cases of the "flu" outbreak along with the fact that the rest of the world (where vaccines weren't used) didn't see any problems either.

So with this evidence you can easily see that the vaccines clearly caused people to get sick. This doesn't mean they caused the "flu" but the illness caused by the vaccines was simply labeled flu. Mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, antifreeze and everything else in the shots can kill a person or make them sick on their own. The flu we know of never paralyzed anyone, however after that "flu" of 1913 millions of people were paralyzed.

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I am not sure which is why I think they resurrected

it from dead soldiers in the first place. We have

to remember there were a lot of things going on at

the same time then. Polio was breaking out. This

Flu. Other illness's and War, trying new

treatments. I think it was like

lyme a combo of ingredients that led to so many

deaths. Don't think this is the first time and it won't be the last.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21149823/

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When you look at these, don't forget your map.


http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9803E0DC1531E233A25753C2A96E9C946096D6CF


http://www.relfe.com/history_1.html

http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/flustat.html

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Pinelady, that Timeline of Health History link you posted is AMAZING. I never realized how bad the fluoride danger is. I'd love to copy and paste the whole thing here, but it's quite long. Here are a few items I found of interest (to me):

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1890 Andrew Carnegie writes a series of eleven essays called "The Gospel of Wealth", a treatise which essentially stated that free enterprise and capitalism no longer existed in the United States, because he and Rockefeller owned everything, including the government, and that competition was impossible unless they allowed it. [So true. It was Carnegie and Rockefeller who orchestrated takeover of the AMA, and elimination of homeopathic medicine in the USA. They had to get rid of the competition.]

1944 Health Practitioners Journal, June 1944, reports Dr. S. S. Goldwater, the New York Commissioner of Hospitals states "as a result of the drugs, vaccines and other suppressive treatments used to check diseases, chronic diseases are growing at such a rate that America may become a nation of invalids."

1944 The Journal of the American Dental Association on October 1, 1944 warned that "We do know that the use of drinking water containing as little as 1.2 to 3.0 ppm of fluorine will cause such developmental disturbances in bones as osteoporosis, ........and the potentialities for harm far outweigh those for good."

1947 Charles Posner of the Harvard Medical School Department of Neurology writes, "almost any vaccination can lead to noninfectious inflammatory reaction involving the nervous system. The common denominator consists of vasculopathy that is often associated with demyelination." (demyelination is the stripping of the insulation away from the nerves).

1948 In North Carolina, Dr. Benjamin P. Sandler reveals that sugar and starches lower the blood sugar level, producing hypoglycemia. Also that soda pop (recently introduced) contains phosphoric acid that absorbs phosphorus and sulfates in food before natural metabolism can get it to the nervous system, causing the nerve trunks to fail to function properly . Sandler says that dairy products and sugared soft drinks are aggravating the incidence of polio.

1950 Professor Pierre LePine, noted scientist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, is reported in the March 30, 1950 edition of the New York Times, as saying "no more than one injection in 2,000 really prevents polio."

1952 From 1952 to 1956, the cities on the "fluoridation list" began to fluoridate their water supplies. As the process of water fluoridation continued, the cancer death rate of the fluoridated cities began to far exceed the rate of the unfluoridated cities.

1953 In the United States, Senator Charles Tobey begins a Senate investigation into the cancer industry. U.S. Justice Department attorney Ben Fitzgerald is hired as special counsel. Fitzgerald's report concluded that "the AMA, in direct collaboration with the National Cancer Institute and the Federal Drug Administration, entered into a conspiracy to suppress alternative, effective cancer treatments. "

Said Fitzgerald, "if radiation, surgery and drugs are the complete answer, then the greatest hoax of the age is being perpetrated upon the people by the continued appeal for funds for further research." Senator Tobey is dispatched with a convenient "heart attack", as has happened to others who threaten the cancer industry. Tobey's replacement, Senator John Bricker, orders Fitzgerald to stop the investigation. Fitzgerald refuses and is fired. The investigation is halted and buried.

1966 American Cancer Society formulates a "State Model Cancer Act" which is designed to prevent any treatment of cancer by anything other than surgery, radiation and chemotherapy.
The use of other methods becomes a felony. California, Illinois, Kentucky, Maryland, Nevada, North Dakota, Ohio and Pennsylvania now enforce a variation of this "anti-quackery" law.

1969 Dr. Harlan Jones, professor of medical physics and physiology at the University of California, states that according to carefully researched statistics, a cancer patient who did not receive surgery, chemotherapy or radiation had a greater life expectancy than the one who receives treatment by about four times. Ref: Harlan Jones, "A Report on Cancer", available at University of California Berkeley library. (See 1975)

1972 Dr. Dean Burk of the National Cancer Institute declares in a letter to a member of Congress that high officials of the FDA, AMA, ACS and U.S. Department of Health, Education and Welfare (now HHS) were deliberately falsifying data and information, lying, committing unconstitutional acts and in other ways thwarting potential cures to which they were opposed. (Letter to Congressman Louis Frey Jr).

1974 Health Newsletter V3N1, Jan 74. Dr. David Grassetti "the spread of cancer in mice is astounding after they are given a dose of Rifampin, a "miracle antibiotic" made by Dow Chemical, which received almost $900,000 in contracts from the National Cancer Institute. The research results were permitted to remain Confidential."

1987 AMA found guilty of conspiring for 20 years to destroy chiropractic. The court concludes that "under the Sherman Act, every combination or conspiracy in restraint of trade is illegal."

1990 In December of 1990, a federal regulation was adopted permitting the FDA to circumvent US and International laws forbidding medical experimentation on unwilling subjects. This regulation permits the FDA to inject American military with unapproved experimental drugs or vaccines without informed consent . The FDA merely needs to deem it "not feasible" to obtain the soldiers permission. See Health Letter, Washington, DC. Public Citizens Health Research Group "400,000 Human Guinea Pigs in the Persian Gulf", Feb 12, 1991.

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Regarding `protection' from mandatory vaccinations for people and pets, I think I've found a couple of homeopathic remedies that will help with this and serve another purpose, too.

First, this isn't medical advice. If you want to use homeopathy for treatment, prevention, or protection from the negative effects of vaccines or other `poisons', your best advice is to consult with an experienced homeopath, preferably one that has been recommended to you by someone you trust. Be as careful about choosing a homeopath as you would about choosing a Lyme doctor.

Based on what I found in my books, this is what I will do for myself and my pets after any mandatory vaccinations:

Ledum 200C - One dose of 3 pellets, dry, in the mouth AFTER any vaccinations.
Hypericum 200C - If there is excessive pain at the injection site a day or two AFTER vaccination, then one single dose may be in order (3 pellets, dry, in the mouth)

If there are immediate or delayed side effects that are worrisome, see a homeopath or a conventional medical doctor.

Note that these same remedies can be used to help prevent infection from tick bites and many other insect bites, like spiders. So, if you already have Ledum 200C and Hypericum 200C, you don't have to buy anything new. (See my After-the-Bite thread for further explanation)
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/78831?

1st day (after a tick bite): Ledum 200C (single dose)
2nd day: Hypericum 200C (single dose)
3rd day: [If available] Borrelia burgdorferi nosode 30C . One dose a day for one week, then one dose a week for one month.

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Tell me why in this world would you vaccinate so many already immune compromised individuals when they knew what would happen. $

http://tinyurl.com/lfv83l

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Speaking of John D. Rockefeller, in my opinion he was an awful man and in many ways he was pure evil. Some people consider him to be the "father" of allopathic medicine.


http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/anatomy/p80.htm


http://www.moralgroup.com/NewsItems/Psychology/p1.htm


http://tinyurl.com/lt5lp6


A little known fact about many drugs is that their ingredients are derived from crude oil. So, whats good for the drug companies can also be good for the oil companies.

For example, please read about what many pain relievers are derived from?

http://tinyurl.com/lquzvd


The book "The Rockefeller Medicine Men":

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/publication_library/rockefeller.htm


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Yes, emla - Rockefeller and Carnagie steered conventional `medicine' towards `allopathy' - the treatment of disease with drugs with effects different from or opposite to those produced by the disease itself. This became the mantra in medical schools. Why? Because both the Rockefeller and Carnagie were heavily invested in the emerging pharmaceutical industry.

David Icke may be out in left field philosophically, but he's done vast research on what prominent families have controlled world commerce and politics for centuries. I'm sure other journalists - TRUE journalists - have done the same thing.

Well said, Grandmother - the rage is building. We're seeing it manifested in Tea Parties and town hall meetings. Most average, law-abiding citizens are non-confrontational by nature, and have always tried to play by the rules. But the rules no longer make any sense, nor do the people enacting them. It has taken awhile for the reality of that to sink in.

I can't see any peaceful solution on the horizon. I hope I'm wrong.

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A thought about Mercury in vaccines (and dental amalgams) and the historical use of `mercurial preparations' as medicine.......

Note: The annotated quote below was written in approximately 1842. Venereal diseases such as gonorrhea and syphilis were common in Hahnemann's day; the standard `allopathic' treatment was with `mercurial preparations' (Mercury). Also, Mercury amalgam fillings were developed in about 1920.

I find it extremely significant that even back then, the dangers of `allopathic treatment' were observed by homeopaths, and most notable was the use of Mercury, which complicates any OTHER health problem or disease a patient might have. In some cases, the patient becomes `incurable'.

Also, bear in mind that in today's world, by the time a child is 2 years old, often he/she has had some 25 vaccinations, and until just recently, thimerosal was used in children's vaccines.

quote:
41 Sixth Edition [of S. Hahnemann's Organon , completed in 1842]:

Much more frequent than the natural diseases associating with and complicating one another in the same body are the morbid complications resulting from the art of the ordinary practitioner, which the inappropriate medical treatment (the allopathic method) is apt to produce by the long-continued employment of unsuitable drugs.

To the natural disease, which it [allopathic treatment] is proposed to cure, there are then added, by the constant repetition of the unsuitable medical agent, the new, often very tedious, morbid conditions corresponding to the nature of this agent; these gradually coalesce with and complicate the chronic malady which is dissimilar to them...... adding to the old disease a new, dissimilar, artificial malady of a chronic nature, and thus give the patient a double in place of a single disease, that is to say, render him much worse and more difficult to cure, often quite incurable.

Many of the cases for which advice is asked in medical journals.... attest the truth of this. Of a similar character are the frequent cases in which the venereal chancrous disease [such as syphilis]...... is not cured by long-continued or frequently repeated treatment with large doses of unsuitable mercurial preparations, but [the venereal disease] assumes its place in the organism beside the chronic mercurial affection that has been in the meantime gradually developed, and thus along with it often forms a hideous monster of complicated disease...... which then, when not quite incurable, can only be transformed into health with the greatest difficulty.

Amazing the insight nearly 200 years ago, isn't it?

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Have you heard the news, there is a Swine Flu Vaccine Song out called "Don't Inject Me"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiXmw5a9kiM

http://naturalnews.com/026914_swine_flu_swine_flu_vaccine_NaturalNews.html

That song is pretty catchy!!

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Check out the laws massachusetts is about to put on its citizens.

http://waronyou.com/topics/its-real-video-massachusetts-forced-vaccination-or-quarantine-1000-fine-per-day-30-days-prison/

http://naturalnews.com/026934_health_public_health_quarantine.html

We are watching just how free our society is. Forced vaccination which means the state can break down your door and through physical force innoculate you with out your consent even at gun point.

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Unfortunately, with dial-up, I'm unable to watch online video clips or listen to streamed music, Emma......

Thanks for posting those links, Bob. Gee, isn't it Massachusetts that's bankrupt over their wonderful state health care plan? I'm sure forced compliance with what Mass. deems to be `safe and healthy' (vaccinations) is a snapshot of what we can expect with any national health care package.

``An individual who is unable or unwilling to submit to vaccination or treatment shall not be required to submit to such procedures but may be isolated or quarantined.....''

Note that compliance isn't really mandatory for vaccination (or treatment), but quarantine might be ordered as a result of refusal.

I've been thinking about this; some thoughts in the `what if' department....

IF a state or national emergency occurs because of the H1N1 flu this fall, and people are being told to get vaccinated `or else', I think I'll just tell `authorities' that I've already been `immunized' against the flu and that I'm voluntarily quarantining myself in my own home, indefinitely. And that will be the truth.

I'll be storing up canned and frozen food and pet food before too long, and I'll use homeopathic `immunization' against this (or any other) flu. Since homeopathic remedies are recognized as `medicines' in the USA (and many other countries), and since some countries like India are open to homeopathic prophylaxis against the H1N1 flu, I'm not sure any governmental authority would risk forcing me to do anything except stay in my house. And that's just fine with me.

It all depends on just how bad the situation gets as far as people getting sick and the death rate. If it gets REALLY bad, then all bets are off as to what constitutional liberties will be violated, including forced, personal disarmament like they did during Katrina in New Orleans. (Then later, the local authorities tried to deny it and cover it all up! Absolutely shameful and unprecedented.)

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up for those interested.
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"Also, bear in mind that in today's world, by the time a child is 2 years old, often he/she has had some 25 vaccinations, and until just recently, thimerosal was used in children's vaccines."

Thimerosal is still in them. Apparently lowering the printed amount from 25 micrograms to 20 micrograms means it's not there.. or as they say "it's only trace amounts". Still the problem is that the vaccine manufacturers don't have to disclose what is actually in the vaccines. What is printed on the drug information doesn't even have to be true because they have full immunity from any legal action whatsoever. Makes good sense since foreign labs that have tested these vaccines without thimersol have found up to 100 micrograms in there.

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Shazam pryorka you got it. I wish everyone else did.

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By the way Dr. Rosenow also did animal experiments with MS

http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:gwPZwLjbb3sJ:instituteofscience.com/mental/Shakman-History-Rosenow.pdf+A+Dr.+Rosenow+research+in+1919&hl=en&gl=us

Read about what he found in regards to transmission of MS in regards to cultureing vs injecting. He just didn't know what he was injecting would not culture. Duh.

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We find in the following Final Report of the British Royal Commission the following admissions:

'It is not open to doubt that there have been cases in which injury and death have resulted

from vaccination.' "That the risks of vaccination have not diminished since the Royal Commission

made its Report in 1896, is evident from the Reports of the Registrar General for the years

1900 to 1910 inclusive, showing that the death rate of vaccination was actually greater than the death rate from smallpox.

"We find that in England and Wales from 1881 to 1907 inclusive, the Registrar reported 1,108

deaths from vaccination. We wish to emphasize the fact that these 1,108 deaths were all admitted by

vaccinists themselves to have been due to vaccination, and that the reports took no account

of that greater number of deaths from vaccination which officially were ascribed to other causes.

In regard to this, Professor Alfred Russel Wallace, after the most careful investigation,

declared that in England and Wales alone vaccination was the probable cause of 10,000

deaths every year--deaths by five diseases of the most terrible and disgusting character, induced

by the vaccine virus."

http://www.angelfire.com/az/sthurston/autopathy.html

Yes I do believe the time line supports the

hypothesis that it indeed did come back with

service men from Europe and may have mixed here.

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Wow. Pinelady, that's amazing information.

Vaccination has been implicated as a cause of increased health risks for over 100 years with substantial evidence for the outcry, and in 2009 our 'medical community' - backed by our corrupt government - continues to encourage MORE vaccinations?

What the hell is the matter with us?

[cussing] [cussing] [cussing]

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