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cottonbrain
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I've visited two biological dentists. Neither is Lyme Literate but both are aware of the dangers of amalgam fillings.

The first dentist says to go with a ceramic crown on a high noble metal base. He says the metals are stable and do not leech into the body. He does not recommend all-ceramic crowns because they have a propensity to break.

The second dentist says to go with an all ceramic crown with a ceramic base. The build-up, he admits, is made of a composite material that may leech carcinogens into the body, but the likelihood of this happeninng is low. He claims that the all-ceramic crown is as strong as the ceramic on metal crown.

Does anyone know? Does anyone have a ceramic crown with a metal base? Do these leak metals into the body?

I also have a gold crown but both dentists told me its metal is stable and should not leak metals into the body. Ideas?

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cotton,

here is info from our dentist doc dave aka stymie lymie ....


DENTAL PROBLEMS & LYME, part 1 , 10-07
from DOCDAVE, STYMIE LYMIE!
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=058163

A good resource is the ``BIOLOGICAL''DENTIST & DOCTOR FINDER at the IAOMT website (International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology). www.iaomt.org

finding a dentist for REMOVAL OF MERCURY FILLINGS 1.1.09
http://www.iaomt.org/patients/search.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1


BANNING ``DENTAL MERCURY'' IN NORWAY, DENMARK, SWEDEN, 08
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1949432/posts

3 Ways to Be Mercury Poisoned from "Silver" Amalgam Dental Fillings http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/three.html 5.08

Marie Flower's story of her mercury poisoning 5.08
http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/introduction.html

Detox with Amalgams? 8-17-07 from Gigi
http://tinyurl.com/33otsv

DRINKS AND FOOD SHARING WITH OTHERS WHEN ``YOU'' HAVE LYME! NO NO !!

hopefully in these links you will learn the answer to your question and much more [Smile]

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IMO...gold...sorry...expensive.
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Cottonbrain,

Don't want to be rude but you don't have a good biological dentist. He has give you poor advice. The goal is to have a metal free mouth.

Research Zirconia crowns. Dr. Mercola did an article on this recently.

Gold is the second best alternative but a metal free mouth is the best. Zirconia crowns use no metal at all. This is what many cutting edge biological dentists are using.

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Momfromtexas don't understand your question but if you are asking if the root canal is filled with mercury the answer is no.
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Cottonbrain:
Sounds like ceramic is safest for crowns as well.
The metal suport may not have mecury in it - but does have nickel.

The book I'm reading, "Detox or Die" says cadmium and arsenic are a concern from porcelain tooth restorations for causing osteoporosis. p26

Does dental insurance cover removal of amalgams?
Might be worth purchasing to get mine out.
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Go with the gold. Gold is not unsafe, and it is even used in some cases to treat arthritis. It is also not much more money at all than a high noble crown. For the individual who asked about root canal fillings, amalgam is not used to fill root canals, so you are not getting any mercury. I have seen many ceramic crowns fracture, so although they look nice, I would not use them for the back teeth--unless they are used as a facing OVER a gold crown. Also, although every policy is different, insurance typically does not cover the cost of removing amalgam fillings just so that a white composite filling can be placed. If the filling is already defective, then it should cover the cost. However, the cost of the white fillings are quite a bit more expensive than amalgams and most insurances will not pick up the added cost on back teeth--although a few high-end policies do. I am in the dental field and personally feel that mercury is unsafe, but then composites and ceramics restorations also contain potentially carcinogenic materials. Can't win!

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hi everyone, thanks for the replies. I looked at every link you guys provided -- all very helpful. anyone wanting lots of info, check out the links from bettyg; they're really informative.

abxnomore, i googled zirconia crowns and you and peedie are right -- it looks like ceramic is the best way to go. I had no idea that porcelian contained cadmium and arsenic...ugg!

peedie, i joined a dental discount program called Signature Wellness, after finding a dentist who is willing to remove my amalgams safely.

She can replace the simple fillings, but I'll have to go to Dentis #2 for the more expensive crowns, since Dentis #1 does only the porcelain / metal crowns.

IMO the dental discount plan is better than an insurance plan and you recoup the cost of the plan at your first consult. the only hitch is finding a dentist in the plan. It saves huge amounts on cleaning, perio, and x-rays too.

on the other hand, if you only need crowns, you may save money by getting insurance instead (since most dentists in the discount plan probably aren't biological dentists), but those plans usually make you wait a year or two before they'll pay for crowns.

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kitteagirl, we were posting at the same time. Now i am confused again. So, the gold crowns are as safe as the all-ceramic?

Do the gold crowns have other metals mixed in with them? Unfortunately, i think i remember my dentist telling me that the one i have now has some other alloys in it

do you have any idea on brands of gold crowns that are purest?

editing to add:

just found this regarding gold crowns:

http://www.naturalhealinghouse.com/hm_palladium.htm

i can't tell you how valid the website is but it says:

"Palladium, used in Gold fillings since 1986, may be more toxic than mercury. Some Gold fillings like crowns, bridges, inlays and onlays contain up to 78.5% palladium (Pd)."

yikes -- if this is true, then my gold crown has to be replaced too?

also, kitteagirl points out the dangers of BPA'S that cause cancer in the composites -- and aren't the build-ups for ceramic crowns made of composites?


help?

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Here is Dr. Mercola's article. It is talking about implants but does address the different kinds of materials used for the crown. It may be of some help. Ideally a metal free mouth is the best and a good biological dentist can make a metal free crown. A crown with gold is the second best.

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1470822

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Since we last talked I used Betty's links to find a dentist near (still about 30 minutes away) who will remove amalgam fillings. I also have someone in my support group who just finished having all hers done. She was remarking she felt better. I'll check with her. Thanks for the insurance info.
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so happy the links i provided have helped several of you !!

docdave would be pleased; he spent a lot of time writing them ... [Smile]

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Need a post to anchor it?

Does any of the cement contain a metal?

Read very carefully about "marginal adaptation" (the "fit") with regards to any bacteria able to sneak into the root canal...comparing ceramic to gold.

find this link:

Crown (dentistry) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can't post the direct link because the addy has ( ) in it.

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The gold in a gold crown is not 100% gold. I was amazed to read the ingredients in my "gold" crown.

With goode dental insurance, the gold crown cost $100.

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There is not one good substance for everyone.

To do this right, you must see a ND who does ART testing, a form of muscle testing who can test you for the specific materials and see which is compatible with your body.

This is also true for the filling material used for regular fillings or to replace the mercury amalgams if removed. You could be causing yourself additinal harm if you use the wrong materials.

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Good comparison chart:

http://www.doctorspiller.com/comparison_indirect.htm

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There is a compatibility lab test for dental materials, but I don't have the details on that. A holistic dentist should know how and where to do this.

Mom of Texas, it is possible for older root canals to contain mercury. Not a lot, but it is sometimes present. I have one root canal and it does contain some.

If there was mercury in a root canal tooth, it would show up on an x-ray, especially digital panoramic ones (get a printed copy of any x-rays done, for your records).

Or you could ask for a copy of your chart records from the dentist who did the root canal, if available.

Nutmeg

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