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Just curious how many people out there intend on getting this vaccine which today the FDA approved. It's available in a shot or nasil spray. Will be available in 4 weeks.
My GP says get it, and my LLMd says my immune system is so compromised to hold off. So I would like to read others opinions on what you have decided to do.
KA
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I'm not. The local TV news is coming to my house in a little while to interview me for their story on the Swine Flu vaccine. Read all Mercola's stuff on it, it's very informative.
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quote:Originally posted by seibertneurolyme: No way for hubby or for me either.
Bea Seibert
Ditto for us too.
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Wow I think were all in the same boat here.
Sixgoofy great link to Dr. Mercola's site. Very good info on the vaccine.
KA
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A few facts about the vaccine:
The virus is first injected into the flesh of African Green Monkeys Kidneys and then harvested for use in the vaccine from infected monkeys
Other ingredients:
Squalene (MF-59) oil based adjuvant-
All oil adjuvants injected into rats were found toxic and all of them developed MS like disease that left them crippled, dragging their paralyzed hindquarters across the cage.
In humans it can cause severe arthritis.
Thimersol...Compounds containing mercury
Nonoxynol 9..used in spermicide I am sure there is more, but couldn't find a total list....hmmmmm....
This is scary!!!!
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linky123
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Thanks for the link; it's very informative. I plan on forwarding it to everyone I know.
Linky
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Not anyone in our family will be getting it. No way. I'm just going to be very vigilant about getting the Tamiflu ASAP if we show symptoms.
One of my 5 year old twins had it in June and the Tamilflu worked great. His 104.5 fever came down in about 24 hours. We confirmed through testing that it was H1N1.
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"Why should you avoid the Flu vaccine? Here are some good reasons;
The Flu Shot contains formaldehyde, mercury, aluminum, and ethylene glycol (anti-freeze). All of which are neurotoxic and increase your risk of getting Alzheimer's disease.
The Flu Shot contains viral contaminants and phenol; both have been linked to cancer.
The Flu Shot can give you the flu as well as all the risks that go along with it."
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this was something I plan to discuss with my LLMD at our next visit in October, until then there is absolutely no way I will get this for me or my family.
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Absolutely not!!!!!!!!
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100% No! So far not one yes. I guess my mind is made up. Anybody else?
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No....my LLMD says no immunizations.
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Not I. And nobody in my family either. Not the Swine flu shot, nor the regular flu shot.
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My pulmonologist said I should get a script to Relenza and have on hand to take at first signs of flu since my immune system is compromised by COPD/asthma + taking 2 injections per week of Enbrel for arthritis.
I'm not sure if Relenza is an antibiotic or something comparable to Tamiflu.
I won't see my LLMD until Sept. 30th for his opinion.
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Most lyme patients' immune systems are so dysfunctional that it could seriously backfire. One part of our immune system is in overdrive and if that gets any more revved, the cytokine storm can become deadly. In a flu like this, it's not so much the flu but the Cytokine storm that kills. Lyme patients already have a cytokine storm going on as it is.
The other part of the immune system that is under active just doesn't have the strength or all parts working just right.
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Stinging Nettle can calm the cytokine excess, under normal circumstances for some of us but - with the flu shot - or the flu - I'd want to learn more about how to deal with that.
Allicin, Lomatium (LDM-100), Black Elderberry comprise my major plan. Also establishing a 10 pm bedtime - I'm already 8 minutes over.
Sleep is very important.
I have gotten very ill from a couple of different vaccines. (Tetanus vaccine caused actual lock-jar and I swear caused my IQ to drop a ton. A flu shot a decade later turned my muscles to jello). I would never take that chance again - for myself.
It should be an individual's choice if they are healthy enough for the shot but I still think if we all just hit the garlic we'd be in better shape.
WHAT IT DOES: Stinging nettle leaf is bitter in taste and cooling in action. It cleanses the blood. Nettle seed nourishes and removes toxins from the kidneys.
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* Nettle leaf extracts reduce inflammation, in part, by suppressing the release of inflammatory cytokines.
They do this by blocking a chemical inducer known as NF-KappaB, which alters gene expresion. This may be one explanation for the beneficial efffects this herb has exhibited in rheumatoid arthritis (Riehemann et al., 1999).
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- Full chapter at link above. From The One Earth Herbal Sourcebook (Tillotson)
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no way !!! no flu vacinne of any kind esp. swine flu !!
ya know, the HUGE push to get this vaccine out is scary enough. poor testing on a complicated/comound flu
this makes me wonder abou the whole lyme vaccine ooooppppsss for yrs ago? anyone have that thought? or maybe i am getting paranoid. idk, but now way..
flu shot gave me flu yrs ago before knew about lyme being my problem.
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I have been doing a lot of reading on vaccines including this H1N1. Not only is there no way in heck I am getting this or my family, but that includes any vaccines from here on out.
Has anyone ever questioned what was in these? No they just get them because we are all brain washed to think it is the norm. Or we fear what might happen if we don't.
It's all about the $$$$ and the corrupt goverment!!
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Does anyone honestly believe
after the fiasco with the Lyme guidelines,
the inability to come up with a plan of action for
Lyme, and the gross negligence in dissemination of
medical literature and denial of chronic Lyme any
of these people have our health and our childrens
health as their top priority? Does anyone
honestly think that with over 200,000 estimated
infected people this was just an oversight? Or
the science was not there? And nothing has been
learned since 1985, no evidence. I'm not laughing.
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No way. If I don't have a dysfunctional immune system already, it's likely I WILL after getting this vaccine.
No more vaccinations for me, period. And that includes a Tetanus shot if I sit on a rusty nail. I'll selectively vaccinate my pets until I can figure out how to `immunize' them some other way.
I'll gladly donate my allotted swine flu vaccination to Osama bin Laden.
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We should first vaccinate the ones that are pushing for it!!!
I wonder if any of these lab heads will ever get a single drop of that vaccine that they developed!!
I can almost put my hands on fire that none of them will get the vaccine that they developed, nor let any of their family members get vaccinated!!
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No! Will not be getting any vaccines! This stuff is way too scary!
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Not a chance. No one in my family will be getting it.
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Vaccine for what? H1N1 viruses are here every year, multiple strains. What are they even testing for? Which strain? Oh wait they aren't. If you have a cough and a fever you have swine flu and it gets reported. Sounds like my mom has swine flu right now. If she went to the doctor she'd get added to the statistic and told she should've gotten the vaccine.. genius pure genius.
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Not me. Thanks to my immune system being stuck in high gear due to Bb, I haven't caught a cold in a decade.
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Walgreens drugstore is already advertising the flu shot - I just checked with them - it's the regular flu shot, not the H1N1.
I'm beginning to think about protesting in front of the store and passing out flyers if they take the step to offer the H1N1 version.
Doing a public protest and organizing others to do such might be something for us to consider in our various locations.
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I am respectfully declining this shot. I was a scientist and then a registered nurse before becoming disabled from Lyme. I will indicate that do not construe my post as medical advice, merely my opinions. Please consult with your health care provider as to what constitutes the best option for yourself.
I have had the yearly flu shot since enrollment in nursing school and the five years that I have had lyme. I have tolerated this shot with little or none adverse effects( mostly bruising at the site of injection). Likewise, I have had my pneumonia shot, every 5 years also, again with same results( I was a respiratory nurse- so hence the injection, as to not infect or contract from my patients).
I am just not fully convinced that this vaccination is the silver bullet that is being hyped on, nor fully the hysteria and media blitz that it is receiving. Yes, I understand all influenzas have varying forms of virulence resulting in mild to serious infection including the possibility of death, however, I do not believe this has the possibility of being a " killer" pandemic.
The CDC has tracked the virus since the early outbreaks in the spring and have concluded that it is mutating very slowly or not at all. They also have indicated that it lacks the ability to use essential amino acids, as the Spanish flu epidemic that was a world wide killer in 1918. This is in stark contrast to lyme bacterium which uses host substrates to remain viable.
Additionally, in 1918 which were factors in the world wide spread of flu, were limited medical knowledge, lack of vaccinations, lack of sanitary measures as hand washing and crowd control. The NBC Tv affiliate in Philadelphia, Pa. indicated that there were several large parades in Philly in 1918 with great attendance which helped spread the flu.
With the H1N1 vaccines, there are several reports that it contains squalene, used as a adjunct in the vaccine. An adjunct is an ingredient used to increase or potentiate the immune response. There are also reports that it was used in the first Gulf War as an ingredient in the Anthrax vaccinations. Gulf War Illness, or GWI,was linked to neurological events and increases in autoimmune problems such as arthritis. To my knowledge, there has not been complete concordance that these adverse events are not resulting from the squalene.
Additionally, governmental agencies not finalized a dose regiment for the entire population. It appears that adults and children over the age of 10, may require only one inoculation. Children under 10, may require 2 doses.
Though, I would hope that the vaccine is safe, it has been so to speak rushed to production, and there has not been, due to the time element of a few months, any long term studies ( weeks, months, years) performed.
I, for the most part, am skeptical and would rather wait for the long term study results. I also do not wish to be part of the " guinea pig" population that initially receives this shot. I also since have significant neurological symptomology from Lyme and coinfections, do not wish to risk the potential of an immunological storm that would make matters worse than already is.
What ever you decide, I would encourage you to use COMMON SENSE!!! If sick, do not go out, if possible for 24 hours or acute symptoms subside(2) Cough into your shoulder or small of your elbow, so as not to contaminate your hands( to further contaminate other surfaces and other people), (3) Avoid crowds, as possible when flu incident rates are high in your area (4) use interventions that you traditional use to rest and maintain your immune response, so that you are not "run-down" to increase your risks for contraction of the virus (5) Use sanitary measures. Some supermarkets and stores in my area are offering disinfectant wipes to use on the shopping carts' handles. Frequent hand-washing or the use of alcohol based germicidal hand cleaners and lotions.
To reinterate, choose what is best for you, with the advice of your health care provider. Use common sense and practical germ control measures. Take care of yourself when sick.
Blessings and stay well. Iceskater.
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good comment iceskater, you rasied many interesting points.
i am currently fighting that flu & have to say it's a beast but would also choose not to get the vaccine Yes, its taking forever for this flu to go away but it will eventually be gone.
every time i have had a vaccine since i have had lyme, it's tanked me big time in the lyme & co departments. Even though i am still sick as a dog after 2 weeks it's better than making my LD worse.
at this point i can not afford any more set backs with my battle with LD & friends.
the only thing i regret is not taking the Tami flu within the 2-3 day window - it may have helped lessen some symptoms . who knows for sure though
everyone reacts differently to stuff with LD so of course it's a personal decision.....just thought i would share.
* none of the above is medical advise. Just my 2 cents.
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