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Cold Feet
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Folks,

This is a very convincing clip that was shared in the Activism forum. Given how remarkable the techniques in video microscopy were to demonstrate the sophistication of Bb, you really must see this:

http://underourskin.com/blog/?p=459

This shows remarkable evidence of Bb's sophistication, multivariate forms (including biofilm) and ability to survive -- aka known as "persistence" or "chronic" Lyme.

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Just bumping this up, wondering about comments...

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2009 - Beating candida, doing better
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I had a 10 minute discussion with my LLMD today on this topic again. He is saying that, the patients that seem to be staying sick longer are the same ones that are showing high amounts of biofilm.

He told me it is crystal clear to him that this is why chronic lyme&friends is in fact 'chronic'. Some patients don't show hardly any biofilm and they are the ones that get well in 3-5 months. Other patients are on IV's for years... and they are still sick as can be.

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Biggest question is how to threat them. They are basically impervious to abx. And l-forms also produce biofilms (inside cells and they they burst and this crap spills all over the place infecting more and more cells).
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Cold Feet
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Buster, I came to the same conclusion as your doctor did with you...as many folks here have as well. I really want to believe that selectively & carefully eliminating the biofilms will help reduce the "burden" of bacterial disease and its effect on we humans.

Coltman, you may be right, but I have yet to find any research that shows that intracellular bugs create biofilm within the host cell. Interesting point. Regarding biofilm elimination, we've discussed this on the forum for several years, that's really where I learned about the enzymes that have helped me (serrapeptase, etc.). This is a really promising area of research and treatment for all of us.

That said, I think the more "problematic" microbes are ones like syphilis and Bb -- they can assume many forms, as well as tunneling into host cells. No wonder they are tough to get rid of from the body! Bb has at least four forms (including biofilm) and possibly hundreds of pleomorphic forms.

[Eek!]

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Amazing clip.

A biofilm researcher suggested that proteolytic enzymes may help in getting rid of biofilm.

I'm wondering how many here have tried them--like wobenzym, vascuzyme, serrapetase...and what your experiences have been.

Cold feet, I know you have felt the enzymes are helpful.

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Cold Feet
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Coltman, thx for the idea about intracellular biofilms. Dunno if this applies:

Pseudomonas aeruginosa Acquires Biofilm-Like Properties within Airway Epithelial Cells

http://iai.asm.org/cgi/content/full/73/12/8298

[ 10-02-2009, 10:32 PM: Message edited by: Cold Feet ]

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2004 Mycoplasma Pneumonia
2006 Positive after 2 years of hell
2006-08 Marshall Protocol. Killed many bug species
2009 - Beating candida, doing better
Lahey Clinic in Mass: what a racquet!

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