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canbravelyme
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That's 200,000 new cases / year

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You know that would absolutely contradict what we

have been told. Antibiotics will not work for flu,

don't bother. If it is vital to get them within 24

hours, why not bother?

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The plague was a bacteria. I do think that abx will help with the "flu", as the real issue has to do with secondary infections.

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Yes, thats why they told the people in Ukraine

to get to a doctor right away. No delay. Seek

treatment immediately.

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Thanks for the updates.

As for preparation for the plague, I've got my homeopathic remedies all accumulated and ready for most deadly diseases and bio-terrorist attacks, including plagues.

Well, one story surfaced yesterday in The Baltimore Chronicle:
http://baltimorechronicle.com/2009/111109Lendman.shtml

The article claims that death rates in the Ukraine are 10 times those attributed to H1N1 cases in other areas, so far. There are some new points raised in the article which are worth reading (though the article is a bit long).

Have you noticed that in the past 15 years or so, absolute power of assessment in any given health situation has always devolved to governmental entities such as the CDC, the WHO, or the UN. Why? This is the equivalent of saying that local doctors, medical examiners, and coroners are incapable of empirical observation and reporting about what they see in a localized situation. Why do we need a team of international experts to verify what local authorities find? Does it really take outside experts to confirm that people are dying with their lungs full of blood? I don't think so and I'm bothered by that. At lot.

It's a different story when there is a pressing need to determine the cause of the problem, i.e., whether it's a virus, the plague, etc. Then outside experts are often required. But we can't even get objective reports about the initial observations at the local level.

What troubles me most about this is the lack of coverage by the `lamestream' media; nothing from any major network or cable news outlets, nothing coming over the AP wire or out of the BBC.......

We are in a near-complete media blackout regarding this story, and it all started over a week ago.

Then there's the paucity of information available about adverse events from the swine flu shot here in the USA.

I, too, would like to know how many deaths and hospitalizations occurred in people who received either the seasonal or the swine flu shots - not just in the Ukraine but in every country. There's been enough time get some preliminary data, at least. But frankly, do we have accurate information from past years in that regard?

Perhaps we should all start hammering our favorite media outlets and demand to know why there has been no coverage on the Ukraine situation, the adverse event reporting, etc.

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Tracy I started a week ago and yes total blackout.

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I just sent a joint e-mail to Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck. I got a confirmation that my e-mail to Beck was received.

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It was report that they have a death an hour. Total 24 in the last 24 hrs. http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/order/?id=174080

There is also a report of one of their top virologist dead. But I can't find a link.

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http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/2009/11/update-111109-609-pm-collapsed-in.html

They are using Baxters.

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Oh, one other thing.... in that article I posted about, it talks about 'shedding' of the vaccine virus. This is something we haven't even talked about, but we should.

quote:
Public health authority, Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz sees a deadly connection between governments and the drug cartel over dangerous, toxic vaccines. On You Tube, he recently warned that:

"These vaccinations contain highly unstable viruses that easily mutate, because they are 'live active' laboratory mutants that are being administered....People shed these 'live' viruses up to three weeks following vaccination. That means if you haven't been vaccinated, and you get near someone who has and then sneezes, you can get their H1N1 laboratory infection."

He explained that anyone contracting H1N1, from vaccinations or other Swine Flu-infected persons, risks combining it with other internal or environmental viruses, creating a lethal mix that can kill. He expressed great concern about vaccines used to transmit dangerous viruses, capable of mutating into deadly ones, believes this may be happening in Ukraine, and thinks America and other nations may be next.



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This is absolutely terrifying...

My family has letters from our ancestors who survived/tried to survive the 1918 flu epidemic. People were dropping like flies!

This is VERY creepy.

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Who weekly report. Recommend Antibiotic early for lung symptoms. And Antivirals.
http://terrance.who.int/mediacentre/audio/press_briefings/VPC_12NOV2009_Influenza_A_H1N1.mp3

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WHo says Globally there is not enough antivirals.

Who says it has not changed from previous virus.

Virus very stable.

Antivirals early for patients immune compromised-blaming it on docs for withholding
causing severe illness.

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Advice on home remedys WHO asking network for evaluation. no recommendations

Absolutely no mention of hemorrhagic illness.

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You are right Truth. With the reports of animals also getting this I think they fear it could cross. But so far WHO says it is very stable.

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Austrailia is using Panvax made by CSL.

http://tinyurl.com/y8u2425

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If you go up to my response and look at VIP =
vasoactive intestinal peptide

That is the neurohormone responsible for whether or not we are "fat"!

In mice, when a particular enzyme is *inhibited* can eat more and weight less.

The enzyme is ACC2.

When we inhibit that enzyme, we shut off fatty acid synthesis.

The pathogens are so much like us...they need fatty acids,and glucose.

But WE...

Can substitute ketones for energy instead of glucose.

Which is WHY we are encouraged to exercise, to burn fat to make ketones.

Too many ketones can do kidney damage, so we have to be careful. But our brain and heart love ketones.

We can survive a LONG TIME on ketones and water alone.

VIP has other functions too...pain:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16564620

Binding sites:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P3-34661232.html

If you really want to get into it..go here and read the last few sentences, "in summary":

http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/144/10/4403

Did you see TGFB1 mentioned i.e., "TGF-1 ... is simultaneously down-regulated by pituitary VIP"

Now...here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TGF_beta_1

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My brother in West Virginia has 4 kids. The oldest got the live vaccine at school by mistake -- the nasal spray is live vaccine and is not supposed to be given to immune compromised patients (she has asthma). She got the swine flu and so did the 3 youngest kids (none in school yet) -- the baby also developed pneumonia. My mom also had the swine flu -- probably got it from the kids as well.

The only one that was vaccinated was the oldest girl who gave the flu to everyone else !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bea Seibert

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http://tinyurl.com/ygc834o

Telegraph reports Northern Ireland getting Baxters.

8 yr old dies after reg flu vac.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message898406/pg8

They think its ok cos' he got regular flu shot. Not swine flu shot.

They know there will be casualties. There always

is. They conduct their mission as whats best for

the masses? Or what is best for the drug

companies that make and sell the vaccines? That

is what people will soon have to decide. It is

like taking charge of LYME we don't have....

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Swine Flu Linked to Seven Deaths in Amazon

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33656127/ns/health-cold_and_flu/

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Watch the DVD "Medicine Man" with Sean Connery.

Listen carefully to the numerous times "swine flu" is mentioned.

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Bes please keep us updated to things that worked.

What they tried to relieve symptoms and stop it.

Vitamin C, Zinc, coconut oil, antivirals?

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Egypt says they will develop their own vaccine for 2011. Can't find what they are using now.

http://www.thedailynewsegypt.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=25533

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Maryland having problems with vaccine/vaccinees.

Another was that the only vaccine on offer was

AstraZeneca unit MedImmune's nasal spray, which

is unsuitable for children with underlying

conditions such as asthma. Injectable vaccine is

due to become available next week. Continued...http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE59852M20091009

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This is insane. We have 5 different vaccines being given in the US and no one is telling the public these things. How easy is it to screw up?

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Here's the beef.
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-SwineFlu/idUSTRE59M3TZ20091023

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India having problems. They also have Dengue (Hemmoragic) Fever

http://www.mid-day.com/news/2009/nov/121109-Swine-flu-dengue-Pune-Beds-Hospitals.htm

Why is it the world news does not not want to tell us what is going on around the world?

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http://www.who.int/csr/don/archive/disease/dengue_fever/en/index.html

Is it Dengue Virus?

So you remember where the swine flu got started?

I hope the tests for it are not as bad as they are

for Lyme.
Who regulate WHO for conflicts of interest?

Remember--no aspirin.

[ 11-12-2009, 04:21 PM: Message edited by: Pinelady ]

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http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/November2009/08/c7130.html

http://shuswapnews.com/2009/11/09/widespread-rumors-of-ukraine-bioterrorism/

Its getting much bigger...

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Skyler, interesting links. An excerpt from one story is interesting:

"...Donations of supplies, vitamins and antibiotics valued at over $160,000 and donations of over $60,000 in cash for medical supplies have been received..."

Pinelady, I know of three vaccine types -- what are the other two?!

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You'll know if it's a bioweapon if the Burmese government uses it against its' people - a sudden increase in Swine Flu cases.

The regime sees most of the inhabitants of Burma a nuisance. This is why aid was blocked to assist hurricane Nargis victims.

What a world!

I wonder which vaccines Gary Wormser had.

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I like this webcam because you can look at pics from any time of day prior.

http://www.camvista.com/europe/ukraine/webcam_independence_square_kiev.php

http://213.179.238.39/view/view.shtml

http://213.179.229.20/view/index.shtml

http://www.rivne.org/webcam.htm

http://webcams.ukrtelecom.ua/
http://webcams.ukrtelecom.ua/
http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/2009/11/update-11909-1007am-est-article-what.html

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Wow, thanks Bea, and sorry to hear that. Bea, do you know if the family was given ANY warning about the `shedding' of the live virus?

Pinelady, I don't think we have that many vaccines in the US. We contracted with only one or two companies - I posted about it somewhere but who knows where - there have been so many flu threads, I lost track. All I remember for sure is that vaccines for the US don't contain squalene or an adjuvant (supposedly) like the European vacs do.

Well, India has a problem with Dengue Fever every year. It seems to be worse this year, though.

[Some noteworthy quotes from the Shuswap News article November 9, 2009]

quote:
This is not H1N1 2009 pandemic swine flu, also called California flu in Ukraine. People everywhere continue to refer to it as H1N1, but according to both WHO and the Ukraine government they are different diseases. The Ukraine government still reports only a handful of deaths from H1N1 California (''swine'') flu.........

Meanwhile both the government and WHO have been tracking the exponential increased of illnesses from severe acute respiratory illness, which have symptoms very different from H1N1 flu.

It is expected that within the next day or so WHO will release the gene sequence from tissue samples.......[we're still waiting]

On October 29 people ..... reported that light planes and helicopters had been spraying something ........... There were many reports to local newspapers and radio stations, but local officials would not let them be published.

Dubbed the ``Ukrainian plague'', there are also reports today of almost a million infected, 50,000 hospitalized, .......

WHO has had a team in Ukraine for several days and is reported to be in control of some key government positions......... and mandatory mass vaccinations for swine flu appear imminent.

The government is now rounding up anyone who speaks out against swine flu disinformation, hype and alarmism or against mandatory vaccinations. Doctors in particular are not allowed to contradict the government's line or to speak about the cause of deaths.



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Me too Tracy. I think it was CDC. I have a doc appt. today so here is a good link to someone who is keeping up with it. You all have a good day. Prayers for the family miss bea.

http://tinyurl.com/yhb6h3l

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http://tinyurl.com/yd8mo53
UIC to Develop Antibiotics Against Potential Bioterrorism Agents November 10, 2009

http://tinyurl.com/y858o7v
FDA approves GSK swine flu drug

Agents they are working with.
http://tinyurl.com/ychbsu9

http://tinyurl.com/ydq9t8u

http://tinyurl.com/mshn2j

It appears they had 3 approved and now allow CSL and GSC's.

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http://tinyurl.com/y9o6ye9
Some thing to be aware of. Don't know about the new one yet.

http://tinyurl.com/yghcvw7

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I think, Dear Lyme Friends, it's time to start stocking up on food, drink and supplies.
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It's difficult to know what to make of all of this. There's a situation of aerial spraying & there's the vaccine. There's also the problem of disinformation about everything concerning everything we read, see or hear.

Seems that whatever the case, the powers at large want everyone in a constant state of panic. I'm not going to panic about this. Jane Burgermeister has been talking about all of this for a while now.

http://theflucase.com/

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/

It's unfortunate that we live in a world obsessed with fear & control. If the world is going to crack in half - so be it.

Aerial spraying has been going on all over the world for many years now. I've posted about Eleanora McBean Ph.D., N.D. many times here.

http://www.whale.to/v/mcbean.html

Oscillococcinum - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillococcinum

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You may be right grandmother. In order to prevent

we got to see it coming. Apparently no one here is

looking. Good thing this is not an election year

here.

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There is another point of view that says all of this is to keep us in a state of panic.


http://www.rense.com/general88/ukr33.htm

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If you have never read A SHOT IN THE DARK,

I suggest it. One reader writes-If I can get it

in a one-shot syringe, thimerosal-free, then I'm

willing to take the adjuvant free version. But

after the way the whole 'pandemic' has been

handled, I have to wonder if I'm going to be the

victim of a bait-and-switch, just to get me in

the chair. One last thing; give me back the right

to sue the company for any adverse reaction I

might suffer to the shot, and then we've got a

deal.http://tinyurl.com/yk2qzho

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True, Sparkle. Disinformation abounds. This is like that old, old TV program called `What's My Line'. The panel had to guess which one of 3 contestants was actually telling the truth. That's now our reality, not a TV show.

Re Oscillococcinum: I'm sorry to say it, but Wikipedia is the LAST place you want to look for decent information on anything homeopathic. Entire profiles of prominent homeopaths have simply vanished from Wikipedia over the years. They tend to defer to only `scientific' evidence and philosophy.

If the efficacy of homeopathics matched the scientific evidence out there, homeopathy would have died out long before the AMA `killed' it in the early part of the 1900s (in the USA). I've read many accounts this year of people who take a dose of Oscillo whenever they `feel something coming on', and it has worked great to nip the flu symptoms in the bud. Nothing is 100% effective and this isn't either. But it's good, by the accounts I've read.

Try looking at the reviews of the product over at Vitacost or something to see what some real people say about it.

Re the Ukraine situation: I'm still waiting for the gene sequencing test results to be made public by the WHO. Anybody want to guess how long that will take?

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8 months

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LOL. [Big Grin]

Wow. Okay, I'll guess 6 weeks.

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Thanksgiving weekend.

Nobody will be paying attention.

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They closed their top lab there. So I will say after the presidential election.

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Now you see why I'm saying eight months. And that's at the earliest in my estimations.

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Tracy - I posted the link about Oscillococcinum as reference. I thought the historical info was interesting. I don't pay attention to their "opinions" about alternative medicine. Wikipedia is far from the end all & be all of medical info...

I read many very glowing reviews about Oscillococcinum from several sources. I'm taking that if I come across any flu this season.

I also made my own "super tonic" as described by Dr. Schulze - garlic, onions, horseradish, ginger, habenero peppers in apple cider vinegar, I think it was... You let it sit for a couple of weeks & take it if you feel low.

I don't believe anything I hear in the media or on the internet - even the Republic Radio broadcasts. Disinformation abounds on all sides of the issues whether it's from Rense or Fox, Alex Jones or PBS, NPR, CNN... I don't trust any of 'em.

In fact, I got rid of my TV & cable. I'm just so tired of the mind control aspects of it. Once you stop, it becomes apparent how much lying & misinformation is going on.

You really have to be careful what to believe out there & cross-reference everything. The only things I take seriously these days are Mad Magazine & the National Enquirer.

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http://www.kitchendoctor.com/essays/four_thieves.php

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I understand, Sparkle. Just thought I'd clarify the problem for other readers.

I've got my Thieves Oil spritzer poised and ready, canbravelyme. (Though I mostly forget to use it.)

I get to go to a doctor's office tomorrow so I'll get exposed to all kinds of nice stuff going around, I'm sure. Perhaps I'll remember to sniff up some spritzed Thieves Oil mix before I go and after - I probably should be more careful these days.....

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http://www.euro.who.int/mediacentre/PR/2008/20080521_1

Now I know why they are on them so hard. Reel them back in before everyone else follows suit.

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Wow.

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Unicef said what they gave them was the best in the

world. If that was the best I would hate to see

what ours can do.

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I'm concerned about that 50,000 in the hospital in Ukraine.

At the moment, 300 dead is a very low number for 22 million ill, and that makes me wonder why everyone is going crazy, but that 50,000 in the hospital...


So, was Joseph Moshe right?

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I took Oscilococcinum 200K and the remedy Tracy suggested for the H1N1, Eupatorium perfoliatum. Both tested good during the flu back in summer (July-August, can't remember), and we both passed through the flu without any complications (me and my daughter). It was even milder than a simple cold as it went away fast.

I just helped treating a boy with confirmed H1N1 (by local hospital) here in Korea. One day with fever, second day with mild fever, third day, fever free. He was playing with his mates on day 4. He only took homeopathics, mostly from Sanum, sometimes something for his fever like Aconitum.

I even brought my daughter to play with him as he was bored on day 3. She didn't wear any mask, nor him.

The local hospital gave him Tamiflu and many other things. He took NONE of the remedies, not a single dose. His mom is more afraid of the Tamiflu than of the flu. Just google Tamiflu effects and you'll get to your own conclusions.

His whole family caught the flu, one after the other, the boy was the last one (except for his father), they all got the classical 3 day fever then got well (I just helped his mom getting better, but her daughter got no treatment from anyone and recovered anyway). They're both back to school.

No paracetamol, no aspirin, nothing.

This H1N1 is just another flu. What's going on Ukraine is something else, it can't be the same. No other country in the southern hemisphere that already got their flu season GONE got anything close to what's going on Ukraine.

Everyone has problems with the lungs there in Ukraine, it seems, according to an Ukrainean friend of mine. After Chernobil accident, many breathed radioactive dust for months, if not years. Maybe they are still breathing some, or ingesting some of the bad dust through food and water. Radiation will still be active when we are all long dead, so there must be some damage still going on.

Both Ukrainean persons I know catch colds easily and get very bad cough even from normal cold viruses. When they catch a flu, they are both in bed for days. They live in Switzerland now.

My friend told me her mom suffers from chronic coughs there in Ukraine, for years. They all know how much Chernobil has caused harm to their health.

Now add a poisonous air chemical or spray, whatever the government is willing to test...

Well, the outcome can't be good. I'm sorry for the Ukrainean population. It's a real scandal if any sort of spraying is confirmed.

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Thanks for the report from S. Korea, Selma! Good to hear you and family are doing fine, and that you are able to help others with the flu.

There are at least 2 types of flu going around here in the U.S., plus some short-duration `stomach flu'. Then there are those who recover from a cold or flu, only to have some kind of `post-viral' symptoms like weakness, dizziness, nausea but no fever. It has become very confusing.

According to many reports, the homeopathic remedies that were indicated and worked well in the spring, did not work well for the summer bouts of flu. Now that fall is here, the remedies that work now have changed yet again from either spring or summer.

Your comment that the Ukrainians and others in that part of the world might have compromised lung function is an excellent point.

Well, Natural News finally did an article on the Ukraine situation. Not much new in the article, but there are now 65,000 that have been hospitalized (and more every hour).

One noteworthy quote:

quote:
Depending on the degree of genetic changes, there is a possibility that some level of immunity may be conferred to people who already have H1N1 antibodies, but here's the dirty little secret the vaccine industry doesn't want you to know: People who built their own natural immunity to H1N1 through exposure rather than vaccines have a much greater likelihood of exhibiting natural immunity to genetic variations of H1N1. In other words, people who overcame H1N1 exposure on their own, without being vaccinated, have a far stronger defense against H1N1 variations that might appear.

Natural News article (not much new here):
http://www.naturalnews.com/027503_Ukraine_super_flu.html

According to the article, the best place to go for Ukraine illness news; there are a number of new items the last few days:
http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/

WHO virtual press conference on 11/12 - no hard questions asked by the `lamestream' media about the Ukraine and the severity of illness there is minimized; claims that H1N1 is quite stable and has not changed, blah, blah; apparently Afghanistan has been hit pretty hard with this, which may explain why our President does not want to commit to sending more troops there?:
http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/2009/11/who-press-conference-questions-on.html

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Right on the lung issues. Also we have to take in

consideration in many places there is not running

water. And in many places it is rationed. Only on a

few hr. am and pm. So if you take into

consideration quality of life for those folks it

could be a combo of contributing factors. Low

immunity caused by deficiencies and exposures.

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No running water in Ukraine?

I'm wondering whether the figure 65,000 refers to people who got checked at Emergency, or if there are truly 65,000 admitted. Any news?

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I cked out a few chat sites for Ukraine. They

were very political, talking about govt. making

their gas payment on time. And complaining about

specific water conditions in their flats.

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http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/2009_11_15_archive.html


Sherri said:
These reports are in Direct disagreement to the WHO report below - saying it is the Swine Flu! I

thought the WHO looked out for the best interest of the people of the world and their health. But

considering they used 34 samples ONLY to test for the Swine Flu or what the is spreading in the

Ukraine - I believe they Chose the samples they wanted to (as I mention below). No wonder the

Ukraine shut down their one lab last week, they don't want them to disagree with the WHO's

findings!


http://tinyurl.com/y9qrbld

"We don't believe it's H1N1 swine flu. Neither do we know what kind of pneumonia it is," states

Ukrainian emergency physician Myron Borysevych.

The Daily Mail states that doctors are likening this strain of the flu to the Spanish flu, which

included internal hemorrhage and edema in the lungs.


http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/order/?id=174492

KYIV, November 17 /UKRINFORM/. The number of deaths from flu and ARVI increased to 315, 16

persons died over recent 24 hours, the Health Ministry informs.

According to the ministry, all in all 1 400 999 cases of disease are registered in the country, 78,326 persons are hospitalized.

An epidemic threshold was exceeded in Vinnytsia, Volyn, Dnipropetrovsk, Donetsk, Zhytomyr,

Zakarpattia, Ivano-Frankivsk, Kyiv, Kirovohrad, Luhansk, Lviv, Mykolayiv, Poltava, Rivne, Sumy,

Ternopil, Khmelnytsky, Cherkasy, Chernivtsi regions, as well as in the city of Kyiv.


Truth be known it was probably WHO who directed lab closing.

http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/order/?id=174465

KYIV, November 17 /UKRINFORM/. The State Customs Service of Ukraine over the period of October 30

- November 15 conducted customs clearance of 18.5 tons of medications, including 223,000 packs of Tamiflu.

Over 27.160 million safety masks have undergone customs clearance.

http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/order/?id=174477
I guess they can always blame it on Chornobyl.

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http://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html

Seasonal flu mist/ seasonal flu
2 deaths
3 life threatening incidents
6 other hospitalizations
69 emergency room visits
242 not serious

322 adverse event reports, so far

The injectable VAERS numbers so far are:

1 death
4 life threatening events
6 other hospitalizations
135 emergency room visits
345 Not Serious

571 total adverse events reported so far

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http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM182401.pdf

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM182242.pdf

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM182404.pdf

CSL, Novartis and sanofi pasteur

Not meant to confuse, but to add so you can

research what you plan on getting if you are

going to vaccinate. No I don't trust my doc to

tell me (I seriously doubt he knows the difference), and I did not get the memo to tell me

which one would be best.

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Important information. Thank you!

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Really tooting his whistle.
http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=26099637

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Pinelady, many thanks for the VERY INTERESTING information FROM THE VACCINE MANUFACTURERS!!

I'll keep that in my files.

Doctors say we should read the remedy 'instructions' (I don't know how we say that in English) before we take them, right?

Why don't they recommend us to read what the MANUFACTURERS wrote then before injecting a substance in our bodies? Why keeping these usage instructions hidden from the public?

I am PRETTY sure many parents will never vaccinate children if they read those papers.

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Aw Brussels, that is nothing new. That started over 40 years ago. Thats where we got blessed with Simian Virus'.

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Till date, samples from 78,002 people have been

tested for Influenza A (H1N1) in government

laboratories and a few private laboratories

across the country, and 15,016 of them have been

found positive," said a statement issued here.

Either the test is terrible or it is not flu at all.

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Polish people support Health Minister in rejecting untested swine flu jab

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New Vaccines receive marketing authorization

Two new pandemic vaccines, Panenza, produced by Sanofi Pasteur, and Celtura, produced by

Novartis, have recently received marketing authorization in France and Germany,

respectively. Sanofi Pasteur has filed a decentralized marketing authorization application

for Panenza in six European Union countries; Belgium, France (acting as ``Reference Member

State''), Germany, Italy, Luxembourg and Spain. Authorizations in the other five countries will

follow the authorization in France. Novartis continues to pursue registration in other

countries including Japan and Switzerland.

Panenza is a non-adjuvanted, egg-derived, inactivated monovalent influenza A(H1N1) 2009

vaccine containing 15 μg of hemagglutinin of influenza A/California/07/2009 (H1N1)v-like virus

per dose. Clinical trials have been performed in France and Finland in adults and children aged 6

months of age and older. First immunogenicity and safety data have been presented to the French

drug agency Afssaps (Agence franaise de scurit sanitaire des produits de sant) before

authorization.

Celtura is an MF59 adjuvanted, cell-derived,

inactivated monovalent influenza A(H1N1) 2009 vaccine containing 3.75 μg of hemagglutinin of influenza A/California/07/2009 (H1N1)v-like virus

per dose. Clinical studies in more than 1,850 subjects evaluating safety and immunogenicity

have been presented to the German drug agency Paul Ehrlich Institut before authorization.

Previously, in the European Union, the European Commission has granted authorisation for three

specific A(H1N1) vaccines following a positive scientific opinion issued by the Committee for

Medicinal Products for Human Use (CHMP) at the European Medicines Agency (EMEA).

The products centrally authorised are Focetria (Novartis), Pandemrix (GlaxoSmithKline) and Celvapan (Baxter). The vaccines are authorised for use in all Member States of the EU and the EEA (Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway).

For further information including indications and doses in different age groups, see LINK

In addition, the National Regulatory Agency in Hungary previously has provided a national

licence to a pandemic vaccine, Fluval P, produced by the Hungarian manufacturer Omninvest. For

further information, see LINK

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Home > News > Information >
Information on influenza A (H1N1)

Side effects from Pandemrix from 4 to 10 November 2009
(12.11.2009)

One dose of Pandemrix against influenza A (H1N1)v for healthy adults
(23.10.2009)

EU Commission authorises a third vaccine against influenza A (H1N1)
(14.10.2009)

The European Medicines Agency recommends authorisation of another vaccine for pandemic influenza A (H1N1)
(06.10.2009)

EU Commission authorises two vaccines against influenza A (H1N1)
(01.10.2009)

European Medicines Agency recommends authorisation of two vaccines against influenza A (H1N1) 2009
(25.09.2009)

Side effects from medicines used to prevent or treat influenza A (H1N1)
(27.08.2009)

About prevention and treatment of influenza
(26.08.2009)

European Medicines Agency reviews data on vaccines against Influenza A (H1N1)
(29.07.2009)

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Wow, some interesting vaccine info, Pinelady (though I confess, I'm not paying much attention to what they do with vaccines. Funny how these vaccine patents get issued BEFORE a disease shows up, though.....)

Well, here's an interesting Ukraine synopsis from over at FluCase...... Now, this is pretty scary stuff and I'm not trying to scare people, but we all need to know what's going on.

quote:
A Tale of Two Stories: The European BioWar outbreak and the censoring of it by the mainstream news media.
by Dr. Rebecca Carley

The biggest story on the Planet today is the outbreak of a very serious Advanced Biological War virus in Europe.

The second biggest story on the Planet is the suppression of this story for almost two weeks by the corporate owned mainstream news media.

There is a lot we know and a lot that we can only speculate on about what is unfolding in Central Europe. We know that in mid-October, less than a month ago, there was a growing number of cases of what many thought was Swine Flu (A/H1N1) in the western part of the Ukraine. We know that many hundreds if not thousands of people in western Ukraine witnessed low flying light airplanes aerosol spraying something over Ukrainian cities during the days of October 29, 2009 and October 31, 2009.

We know that beginning the night of October 29th, massive
numbers of people begin to get very sick. We know that the Ukraine
government issued a statement denying that it was doing any aerial
spraying to combat the growing disease or authorizing any spraying
over Ukrainian cities. We know that by October 30th, the Ukrainian
authorities closed all schools for three weeks and banded public
gatherings.

We do NOT know what disease the people were/are coming down with. We
do know that doctors are describing the disease as Pneumonic Plague,
or as some type of hemorrhagic fever, or as hemorrhagic influenza, or
as hemorrhagic pneumonia. We know that the illness, whatever it is,
does not appear to be A/H1N1. We do not know if the disease is a
recombination of A/H1N1 with other viruses or some totally different
virus or if it is in fact a virus. We know that the World Health
Organization (WHO) has had several days to sequence the genes of the
disease but has failed to release this data.

We know that WHO has NOT called for the quarantining of the Ukraine
or the shutdown of all global travel to/from the area of infection and
that this is the same thing that they did when Mexican Swine Flu
(A/H1N1) first broke out and that the failure to contain that virus
early on ensured its spread throughout the world.

We know that the internal temperature of the lungs of those with a terminal case of what many are calling 'Ukrainian Plague' is often from 130F to 135F. We do know that autopsies show that the lungs are filled with blood, and are black in color, and that the lung tissue has turned to mush. We know that patients who first show any signs of illness usually crash in less than 48 hours, sometimes the same day.

We know that the disease was spreading by about 200,000 per day but
that this has slowed to about 100,000 day now, in the Ukraine, as
people take extraordinary steps to contain the spread of the disease.
We know that well over one and a third million people in the Ukraine
are very ill with the disease (according to published official
sources) and that over 60,000 are hospitalized in serious to critical
condition.

We know that the disease has a very high transmission rate
with a likely low amount of viral (if it is in fact a virus) material
needed to cause an infection. We know that the official reports of
deaths are under 300 in the Ukraine. We also know that it is normal
for hospital admissions of people with ARI (acute respiratory
infection) to have a fatality rate of from 5% to 10%. We know that
non-official sources were reporting over 3,000 deaths several days ago
and that this number is more in tune with the 5-10% fatality rate than
the official figures.

We do not know what effective treatments are for this illness. We do
know that young adults seem to be more in danger of this illness. We
suspect that 'cytokine storming' similar to that in the 1918 Spanish
Flu, that killed approximately 50 million people, is taking place.

We know from official Ukrainian Health Ministry reports that the
illness does not test out as Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1). We do not
know if the existing Swine Flu vaccine has any effect, but based on
the non-positive response to Swine Flu in testing, we suspect that the
vaccine is ineffective as the viral protean shell is different than
A/H1N1 (if in fact it is a virus that causes the illness).

We know that the illness has spread to Poland, where over one quarter
of a million people are now very ill. We know that it has spread to
Belarus and to Hungary and elsewhere in central Europe. We know that
900,000 people are said to have Swine Flu in Norway but we do not know
if this is related to Ukraine Plague in any way..........

We know that the corporate owned mainstream news media (with strong
links to global banking families) have censored this story in a way
that has never happen before. We know that the outbreak of a unknown
but deadly and very rapidly spreading disease in Europe is the largest
story on Earth but that it is NOT being reported on.

http://tinyurl.com/yfbjrjg



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China reporting hemmoragic plague.

http://www.innworldreport.net/inn/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1673:pneumonic-plague-outbreak-in-china-follows-outbreak-in-ukraine&catid=36:international&Itemid=1


I watched the nun video's. She knows what she is

talking about. And yes Tracy you are right.

Everyone needs a heads up, especially to get

antibiotics quick if this thing gets worse. We

have watched this go round the world and back

again. I would have never believed this if I had

not been watching with my own eyes. I told a

family member to get some masks for the family

just in case, and they said quote. Oh that is

never going to happen. You know that old saying-

Never say Never.

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.....except that we have no idea if this is viral or bacterial.

I have my homeopathics, but......

..... one thing that might be good to have on had, as Marnie suggested, is some kind of antihistimine, like Benadryl. Something to curb the 'cytokine storm' that (appears to be what) does the damage.

I even saw that suggested as one of the things to have on hand - this was on some medical website. Wish I'd paid more attention.

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I'm like you, Pinelady. I would have written this off as hype if it were coming from more 'traditional' sources. But those sources seem to be extremely reserved about this - almost inhibited - yet there is some reporting going on even from the WHO itself, so it doesn't appear to be a hoax.

If this weren't so serious, it would make you laugh to realize that with all our communication abilities today, we know less in the way of truthful news than we did back in 1918.

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Hi all, been listening quietly to all your posts. I thought I'd drop this little link:

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/11/18/ukraine-virus-is-mixture-of-h1n1-and-par

Curious what you think of this coroner's viewpoint of things. Especially, the engineering of the this pathogen.

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