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I have not rifed during the past week due to being on vacation. Looking back I am glad that I had the opportunity to be away from my machine b/c I was able to see how great I felt!

Dare I say, that I almost felt normal? Still struggled with fatigue, but overall I was doing pretty good. I also noticed that the ringing in my right ear had stopped. I attributed to rifing for babs with it disappearing.

While away on my trip I did partake in alcohol, which I think brought back the ringing in my ear just two days ago-- but it was worth it!

With the break in rifing, I also realized that I had been rifing to aggressively, and I am going to cut back on the amount of frequencies and length of rifing for babs, bart and lyme.

I am going to start rifing again tonight after a 1 week break.

I am so glad to see this thread growing.

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Wow, maybe this really is the route I need. [Smile]
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It is so nice to be able to read threads about alternative treatments without the nastiness that used to happen on this site.

It's no longer all about abx. Lymenet has become the big picture of healing with lyme & company.

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I agree Map.. !!! Very much so.


Asummers... Hey I had the same thing happen. I had to skip some time and I had better and better days!!


For me now .. Hitting the Parasite Frequencies seems to be the best bet. I think all my intensive IV abx and Treatments has handled the Lyme.!!!!

YEAH!!!

When I rife for Lyme I have no reaction. I have been trying it for a couple months....and various programs....

So the co infections that are Protozoan are left for me...

Also I do a Viral program every week for safe measures..

BY the way.. This is part of the transitional program from Envita. I sm sure you remember the other woman on here who was sent home with one after her six weeks of her son being treated.

I am getting more and more confident that this is what will get the last stuff that is not hit by the abx treatments...

My blood work was evaluated giving a direction for me too...

Reminder about 72 and 120 ... Nynah Silver writes that those two numbers kill 75 percent of parasites.

I am having reactions and side affects.... from the rifing that are typical of other treatments too. Its crazy..

Hey and do not forget to support your liver and lymps and kidneys etc.

If I skip a week of those Then I notice a strong reaction again the next week.. I think the toxin build up and the rifing helps detox too.. .

It is working for me...

: )

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Springshowers --

Yes, I remember a woman posting about her experience with Envita. I remember her eluding to her using a rife...interesting.

I am so excited that you are gaining confidence - that is great. I am hoping it will rub off on me soon 

A couple of questions for you:

So do you rife once or twice a week for liver, lymph, lyme?

Do you rife with the new numbers of 72 and 120 on a different day than the liver & lymph support?

I will be trying 72 & 120 around the 1st of the year. I just can't afford to be knocked out during the holidays.

I am also going to start rifing your liver & lymph support numbers today. I haven't been rifing for lyme, babs & bart this week b/c I have to attend my husbands holiday work functions.

I don't think it would look good at the dinner table if I was curled up under it experiencing a herx.

Thanks!

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hi..

I have not had herxing (per say) from Liver Kidney Lymph and Detox cleansing Rifing.

Therefore.. I do rotate now ... by doing the
Parasite Program... plus those two numbers I posted.. Then I do the viral program and then go into the liver kidney lyph and overall cleansing detox program.. Ending with detox

That is 1 x a week. Mondays

Then the 2nd time . Thursdays I do the same as above but I take out parasites and put in Lyme.

I have not had near the response to lyme anymore but I do not want to quit doing it. yet..

This way I keep in viral and body support and rotate back and forth Parasite and Lyme.

Does that make sense.

My own soup.. of sorts.

This last week.. I did Parasite two times and I am not quite ready of that.. i tried it and I am going to back off again.

Esp since the holidays.. as well....

But my goal is to get to Two times a week with the parasite protocols which are so much harder for me than Lyme now..

Thats it.. I hvae not extended past those.

I can feel it in my liver and kidneys when i run those programs. for liver and kidneys. It aches and I feel movement in them and .. sometimes when I am doing the kidney one I have to pause it to go pee.

I am not going to push it ... I am tired of herxing... I want to find that balance of moving upward without huge herxes .. I would rather go up slow and steady at this point that hit it hard and have to recover and repeat.

Hope your doing good... I relate to you about needing to time this stuff around certain timing of things and family and holidays etc..

Keep In touch..

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Does anyone know of any in-vitro rife research?

Can anyone point me to any published research on rife machines?

Thanks

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I just got the approval to order DNA frequencies.

Is D Bergy the only one posting here who is using these frequencies?

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I have been having great results using Rife for Detox.!!

I feel asleep this morning after each program . well I dozed off... tiny naps.. [Smile]

I recommend anyone using rife to consider trying the organ supports..

My whole system gets stimulated and I can feel the movement... Esp in the digestive system.

That makes sense when your working on the organs and such. I am actually quite amazed.. by it.

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springshowers,

i was logging on to post the same thing that you just did.

i rifed the numbers that you provided for the lymph, liver and kidney detox/support and i felt great afterwards.

i was wondering if it would be OK to do this 3 -4 times a week?

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David..Sorry, I do not have such studies to point you to. Maybe someone else>??

Asummers..Good deal. Glad to hear it and that it not only helps me but works on someone else..

I have not gone to order the DNA frequencies yet but plan on it. Been busy and was going to wait a while yet. What do you mean you got the approval? Do you have to apply> and wait?

I do the detox and organ supports more often and just when I feel like I need to detox. So the answer from me is yes.

I am still at two times a week for killing... things : ) and then I will do the others at the same time and a couple extra times when I feel the need..

I am going to research some other supports for the organs and tr to match up numbers and see how those programs match up to some other lists too..

Let me know how the DNA frequencies go.. ok?

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David -- I searched briefly the rife forum for your question, but did not see any info. You might want to google the topic of in-vitro rife.

Springshowers -- In my earlier post, I forgot to say Thank you for providing the frequencies to run for the detox. It is much appreciated.

The owner of the lists, asks you to sign legal documents. So you print them off and fill them out and then email them back. Then they send you an email that they received the documents and that you are now able to order the DNA frequencies.

I had no problem signing the documents, and felt that it was very reasonable to ask. It states that the money is used to fund her research. So if she can find more numbers for us to run on the rife machine, the better.

It will be a couple of weeks before I start to use them, so I will let you know.

In terms of detox, I am seriously considering coffee enemas. Yes, I said it! I am also getting to the end of my abx regimen, so I am considering doing rife & salt/C. But I will keep you posted.

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I can't wait to try 120 and 72! I believe some unknown parasite is a problem for me as I still react to other parasite frequencies I use.

Also, can someone point me to the detox frequencies? I've been all thrugh this thread and can't find them.

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Oh yeah - Can someone also explain the DNA frequencies to me? How and why they work and why they're called DNA frequencies? What distinguishes them from all the other frequencies? Thanks!

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The DNA frequencies are relatively new, although they have been around for a few years.

These frequencies are solely mathematically calculated based on the genetic sequencing of the DNA/RNA of the specific pathogen. They are not well tested, and they are essentially being tested by users at this time.

They are designed to hopefully disrupt and negatively affect the genetic material of the pathogen you are using it for. Since they have not been used by lots of people yet, it is unknown how well they work.

The CAFL frequencies are pretty much frequencies that past experienced users have reported work for various conditions. They are purely anecdotal, and are not calculated in any way. They have been determined by trial and error. Why they work is not always clearly understood.

Some frequencies probably do not work at all. But some do work well for certain applications.

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LL28
Here are the organ support numbers.

Liver Support (1 min each programed)
337-463-574-668-787-803-912-1862-3337-5546

Lymph Support (1 minute each programed)
146-346-428-596-767-982-1078-5176-5443-8846

Kidney Support (1 minute each programed)
248-463-522-622-658-917-1865-3374-5162

In the end I do a General Detox

I will not post all those numbers but can another time too.

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I can come back and add the others I use

I have three others that are Detox, cleaning, healing type.. that I end with ..

I usually do the
1. Kill or treating of infections
2. Liver kidney Lymph supports
3. Detox and cleanse.

In that order..

Rotating .. what I treat... but always ending in
Number 2 and then number 3...

I guess I owe my 3rd numbers after reading my past posts...

Anyone else have any detox or support frequencies they use that helps.. Please.. let us know.

I also am working on transitioning off abx.. and Am thinking of either Salt C or MMS and Rife.

Or just rife...

Even when your feeling like you are getting better I do have fear of remission and know there are still issues to either clear out or to keep at bay.

It seems unfair we have to work so hard to just try to gain or even keep health.

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Here is a set of Detox numbers that I was using.

DETOX Frequencies
20- 146- 333- 522- 555- 727- 787- 880- 10K, end with 465

I think I like yours better.

I have been re-reading parts of Bryan Rosners book over the past two days and I have made the big executive decision to go off abx.

As in, this week.

My LLMD has been treating me over the past year with a monotherapy approach to abx. I need to call him to see if I can arrange a telephone consultation with him to discuss my decision.

I feel that the abx has caused the bacteria to bury itself and hide in cyst form. I need to activate the lyme so I can hit it with the rife.

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I can understand your decision.

I ams SOOO Happy I have been doing Hard Core IV abx for the last few months. I have made a TON of progress.

I though feel that.. there are infections that go places abx can not get to...

So that is also why i am trying it.... So far it is obvious I am right.. in my own case and for me..


I still am not letting go of IV Abx but am doing them in pulsing manner like M W F and not every day anymore...

I can see how this is a good transition choice..

I think if I started RIFE off the bat without really knocking things down I would really have a rough rough time.. I am sure it would take a lot longer to get to the point I am on..

But it might be possible.. but I visualize at least a year.. or more.. if even..

So there is a place and time for everything.. Its tough to know those answers but I have no regrets on my recent choices what so ever..

I really am so glad that I did what I did by and getting an integrative intensive approach..

Rife.. is another part of the puzzle. I think too that Rife is a great tool to keep things in remission..

As I feel better and better I am going to keep doing it on a regular basis.. not as often but regularly ...

Thanks for the detox numbers...

Here are my

General Cleansing program Numbers
337 464 467 576 688 728 786 803 856 882 912 1554 1862 2128 3337 5762 6667

Programed for 3 minutes each..

I have read about 10000 and end with 465

I have put those into my machine and used them but not so sure why and have not noticed a difference..


Anyone know the concepts of ending at 465?


AS .. Try the detox numbers above too and let me know what you think..

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465 Hz covers a huge amount of pathogens and conditions. It is one of those catch all treatments.

Dan

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Thanks for the number SS, I will try them tomorrow and let you know how it goes.

I did a bit of an experiment on Monday. I have been using your detox numbers and feeling really good.

Since I am glutton for punishment, after I ran your numbers, I ran 432 & 612 for just 1 min 45 seconds each. Right after I was done, the fatigue set in and I swore I could have taken a nap. Also right away I could feel the pain in my neck & shoulders. I could feel the herx all that night.

I was so excited. I never used to feel a herx right away. So I went to bed early, slept about 10 hours and later the next day, I feel great again.

So, it just confirmed for me that I was rifing too much before, and that sometimes, less is more.

I am glad you are finding success on IV abx, if I was still living in the States I think I would have tried that as well. I was on abx for 1 yr and I feel that I was stuck at 85% for a while.

Then when we moved, I felt really alone in terms of finding a doctor over here to treat aggressively with abx. I agree that I wouldn't have been able to do rife without lowering the bacterial load first.

Thanks D Bergy for the explaination for the 465 number.

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Its funny.. Your on here at this time and its when i am about to go to bed I check in.. around 11pm or midnight....

I sure would love to go to Australia. I have a life long friend who is from there and she and her husband go quite often and I have been invited.> Just too sick..

But.... I will go someday..

: )

Do you like it there?

Anyway. Great about the Detox numbers working for you. They have worked for me too and keep on working. Are you doing it 3 times a week?

How funny that you did that and just added 432 and 612 at the end.

I am not going to try that... but I like to kill first and then cleanse?? LOL

Why did you choose to run those at the end? Just curious. Maybe it would be good to .. clear out to make room for the next kill LOL.

Funny Huh?

I still respond .. as far as herxing.. to parasite numbers..

I have a general parasite program and then the two other numbers I posted..

For now those are giving me a strong enough reaction.

It is funny how from session to session and week to week how I respond can be different. IN herx and in how i feel the frequencies.

What machine are you using again? I guess I could read up... Is it contact? If so .. do you use salt water on your plates and hand holds?

I have ray tubes. Those are my favorites but I run them along with both contacts and read that all 3 can be very benefitial. So I do it.

The joint pain is new for me and I assume its those cysts.

I am going to study my Neynah Sylver book more and I want to really read what she says about cyst forms and such.

I have learned a lot from D Bergy but I still feel I do not have a good grasp on it..

Does anyone know about or use any of the Rife that is used along with Foot bath ? It is being recommended to me.... but. I think i have enough going on..

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Check this out

Rife killing parasite on video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSYcN5A1qJE&feature=PlayList&p=5FFCFAD1DA0ECF1C&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6

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I am beginning to think that the DNA Lyme frequencies damage cyst form Lyme when in the soft tissues, more than in the joints themselves.

I am guessing that the cartilage and bone somewhat protects the bacteria from the frequencies, reducing a direct killing effect.

What I am seeing is that even though the frequencies are not as effective in these joint areas, they do seem to threaten the bacteria enough that they tend to convert to Spirochete form shortly after treatment. Within one weeks time. Sometimes the next day, but not usually.

I will get these surges in Spirochetes, within a week of no treatment. In another words there is no real remission period any more, longer than a week. One week of not treating and there will be this surge in Spirochetes. She starts feeling joint pain, I run 612 Hz and this kills off the Spirochetes. She can feel this frequency quite easily when there is active Lyme, and does not feel it when there is no active Lyme.

Active Lyme = Joint pain

No active Lyme = No joint pain. (This does not apply when starting DNA frequencies. There is a temporary surge in joint pain as the easier cysts are eliminated in the beginning.)

Active Lyme = feeling 612 Hz frequency

No active Lyme = not feeling 612 hz.

From what I can tell, based on symptoms, is that there is a direct slower killing effect from the DNA frequencies in easy to reach places such as soft tissue.

A secondary effect of causing the cysts form to convert to Spirochete form faster than it normally would.

Of course, this is based solely on observation, and I do not have the means to 100% verify this process, but I think it is accurate enough for our purposes.

Dan

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Dan that is very interesting indeed..

Can i ask how long you have been trying to get at these last parts of the disease on your wife?

Meaning you feel you got all you could and now are chasing the cysts and are on this one week cycle.

Do you see a decrease in the load as you move along week to week? Meaning I wonder if you keep on hitting it each week that they come out as Spirochetes that the cyst load will decrease?

Or do they somehow have the ability to remain the same or even multiply and grow in numbers?

This end spot sure seems key and so important in our recovery...

Does your wife have other symptoms besdies joint pain when the lyme is active again? Or is it saying localized to joints?


Thanks for all your input and time.. Your feedback is so very valuable to us all.

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They bacteria is not increasing, that much I can tell. The cyst load is down from when we started using the DNA frequencies in June.

There are no more hits in the soft tissue as there was to begin with. So what I can determine is that overall there is less Lyme than six months ago.

Whether we are still further reducing the load down from one month ago, I cannot say for sure.

She has no Herx reaction even when Spirochetes occur and are killed. But that has been the case for a while now.

I was treating every day, but kind of gave it a rest as we had many Holiday functions going on.

Now, I am kind of interested in seeing if this cycle of less than a week conversion stays the same. Previously she could go two or three weeks without symptoms, although it varies. Six Weeks was the record, after a high fever.

One week is quite a bit shorter than normal. Until I can routinely get no reaction to the DNA frequencies or 612 Hz, and no conversion, I will not really know if the level of bacteria is getting lower, or just staying the same. There is too little to gauge it one way or another.

I will need more time, and I am getting impatient.

She does not have any other symptoms, other than the joint pain when the Spirochetes come out. Possibly a slight amount of ankle pain, with or without the Spirochetes.

Her initial invasion was heavy in the ankles, and it seems to be the place of choice for the Lyme.

If the ankles are cleared out completely, I doubt there would be any left any where else.

Dan

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I am really keem to start Rifing but I am scared because I don't think that my body can cope with the mercury that will be released when I start. At the moment I am trying to heal leaky gut and Hashimoto's and to do this have excluded gluten and dairy, juicing vegetables and taking digestive enzymes.


I am wondering how I will know when I can start Rifing, has anyone else got mercury poisoning amd at what point did they start to Rife? Thanks.

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Hey SS --

I was without internet access so I am playing catch up.

I really like living in Australia. I think the plan is to be here for 4 yrs. So maybe we will meet over here one day [Wink]

I am meeting some other Aussie Lymies on boxing Day (the day after Christmas). We are meeting for support and to learn more about the Salt/C protocol. I think some of them are familiar with rife.

I didn't mean to add 432 & 612 at the end, it was kinda an impulse decision. Like you said, I would rather do them 1st, then mop up with the detox protocol. And that is what I will be doing from now on.

I rifed the other day for Babs, just 570, 20 & 27. 1.45 mins each number, and I felt it right away again. Neck pain and fatigue. Then used the liver/lymph/kidney protocol.

I know this sounds foolish, but I am feeling that I am finally getting good at listening to my body and its reaction to lyme & the die-off/herx.

I agree it is weird how week to week we have different reactions to the different numbers.

As soon as New Years is over, I am going to try your parasite frequenices. I just didn't want to chance taking the plunge and be out for the count for the holidays.

I have a DT EMEM5a machine, no contact for me. There is someone who is selling a GB4000 over here. I was thinking about buying it. But I need to do more research.

I am also going to look into buying the Sylver book you mentioned.

Well it is Christmas Eve for me so I would like to wish anyone who is reading this a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

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Sounds good..

I like checking in on what your saying and doing and it seems we are kinda doing the same things on the same time frame etc.

I am thinking about getting the add on plasma attachment that is a stand alone for my rife. Then I have the choice of doing no contact or contact. I also have the plasma ray tubes and led and other attachments. I have a lot of choices.. I like that and want to start using more options and experimenting with them.

I have used the LED lights and put them on my face : ) Heard the help with skin too and my skin has felt like it has stopped regenerating.. I also read that LED treatments can help with the blurry vision problem we all seem to struggle with.. I have only done it two times so I can not report..

Like i wrote on another thread.. Rife takes lots of patience and time.. but it feels worth it so far.

Thats great that your feeling more in touch with your body.> Go with it. Just saying that means you are!. its great.

I am going to try those babs numbers too at one point.. I have not done much in trying to isolate things like babesia bartonella etc.. There is a big learning curve in just using the machine and listening to our bodies.. And in time I am sure I will learn to fine tune more.

Did you run those DNA frequencies you got? ...

MERRY CHRISTMAS to you too... and Happy New Year.

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I did my first treatment today on my GB-4000, I did 7 Candida frx @ 1 min ea.

(Candida is my worst problem right now i think).

Tomorrow i'll try some more Candida frx.

There are so many Candida frx. How will i be able to sort out the effective from the ineffective? I don't have time to run each one separately, one per day!

Has anyone cured Toenail fungus this way??

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Had my first rife session. I did two minutes at 484 but didn't get a herx

What do you experienced rifers advise me to do on the next rife session with regards to frequency and duration?

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Is Rife recommended by your LLMD's?

This sounds too good to be true that I am beginning to feel like a fool not going this route.

Is there a good website with information and some decent models available?

Thanks!

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Lauralyme,

Since you didn't feel anything on that one freq, I (what I would do) would try others until I found the ones that work. There are plenty of numbers to choose from listed here. My favorites are:

21,27,306,432,612,800,918,4200

Unsure,

All of my doctors were aware of me using it but they could not and did not recommend it. The truth in my case the last time I was sick is that I slowly stopped seeing them because I just got better and better.

This time I was bitten again 8 weeks ago and did a total of 7 days antibiotics pulsed at 3 days and then 4 days so far with rife as my main treatment again. I also added in 4 days of Buhner's herbs which made me herx too. I think, well at least my experience has been that I needed to do a number of things to get better with rife as my main thing.

It's a personal decision that I made and this is just my experience but it seems to be the best choice I ever made.

All My Best,
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Scott many thanks

How long should the treatment be? I am still on antibiotics but have finally started feeling really well with just a handful of minor symptoms. I've just returned to work so I am apprehensive to experience a massive herx from too long of a rife treatment. Would two minutes be too long for the first treatment?

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612 Hz for one minute or less is plenty to start out with.

Since you are still on antibiotics, it is unlikely you will have much effect, as most frequencies only hit Spirochete form. The antibiotics tend to either kill all of the Spirochete form themselves, and/or prevent them from converting into Spirochete form.

That does not necessarily mean you are not killing any Lyme with the frequencies, but you are not killing as much as would normally occur using no antibiotics. That said, between the antibiotics and the frequencies, you are not leaving the Lyme much chance to progress.

To hit cyst form you will need to use the DNA frequencies.

Someone asked me about treating H-Pylori, so I will post here for everyone's benefit.

I had H-Pylori in the Stomach and after much experimentation, and failures, I did find an effective method of killing it.

I used the GB-4000 with one positive contact on one side of my Stomach, and the negative on the other side. I ran the single frequency of 676 Hz for five minutes, and ran a sweep for five minutes from 675 hz to 677 Hz to account for any mutation.

You do have to run this for at least five days in a row, or it will come back. I ran it for six days. I had run it for one session earlier and the burning Stomach pain would go away for about 36 hours, but then would come back.

You should get the same results with a plasma machine, but put it right next to your body for maximum effect.

There are some other strains of H-pylori, but 676 Hz addresses the most common strain. You will notice that even the CAFL notes that this frequency is one of the most effective. I can confirm that it is very effective.

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My suggestion would be not to limit yourself to just treating lyme. IF you know your co infections treat those too.

If not. still treat them.

I am finding that the protozoans are holding on and I herx the most when treating them.

Also. instead of one number or frequency there are also programs listed on the CAFL site. Where you run a string of numbers and therefore you chance of hitting on something is higher in my opinion.

But then again.. later one you may want to save time and try to narrow down which numbers are you responding to.

At first going one number at a time is hard as there are soooo many to try..

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LLyme - You are welcome

From my experience I had to stop all antibiotics so I really do not know how to treat while on them.

From reading and talking to others that were using the machines most were off meds but some were not - you could use the machine to run detox and yeast treatments too but it all needs to be adjusted to what you are feeling and comfortable with.

The best thing for me this last 8 weeks and generally with rife is that you can time your treatments to deal with the herxes as soon as you establish a pattern.

Two minutes using a couple freqs should not be a problem - just try it when you are expecting a day off.

Four years ago I would rife and not herx until 3-4 days after (probably because my immune system was a wreck) so I thought this time would be the same - nope, I herxed the very next day and needed 2-3 days to detox but as soon as I figured it out I set my treatments up around my work schedule.

For me Wed. nights were good because Thursday and Fridays I had no meetings and Saturdays were good too because I would feel better by Monday when I had meetings. Of course there were other things like the kids games and stuff that I had to make so I rifed around them too.

It offers plenty of options so go slow and see how you respond. Things may be different if/when you stop the meds but you will, by then have a better understanding of how your body reacts.

By the way - I'm glad you are feeling well!!!

All My Best,
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Thanks so much all of you......the information is so helpful

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I began rifing right after stopping IV rocephin. Then I did oral ceftin and zithromax while rifing for a year. Then I dropped the zith, then a few months later I dropped the ceftin, but I kept rifing.

Now I rife 1 time per week or every two weeks if I get lazy. I notice increasing joint pain if I go more than a week or so without, so I know I still have bugs, BUT I am so, so, so much better.

I rife for lyme and mulitple co's. I do the lyme frequencies every time and certain co's on certain weeks. I also do a few detox frequencies but rely more on other detox measures like supplements, rest, acupuncture, etc.

Anyway, just wanted to report that I did overlap abx w/ rife and was able to wean off of abx without a significant relapse. I've now been off abx since 8/18/09.

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My wife had some discomfort in the finger joints and joints in the toes, with the treatment two days ago using the DNA frequencies. No symptoms other than those during treatment.

We have slacked off during the holidays, and it seems that the Lyme has gained a small amount of ground in that short period of time.

She has not had pain in the fingers for a few weeks, but now it was back again. It is hard to say for sure, but I think it multiplied a bit during the break.

The 612 Hz bothered her a little, but not much. Not much Spirochete form, judging by her minimal reaction.

That was in one weeks time without treatment. It makes me wonder how fast it can actually reproduce?

Tonight, she is not feeling any frequency, DNA or 612 Hz. It does not make a lot of sense to me, as she certainly was not cured with the treatment two days ago. I think in the future, I am not going to get much feed back from her, as the Lyme is so minimal.

Now I will have to come to some kind of time frame to keep treating, with no symptoms in general, or reactions from treatment. I need to kill the rest of the Lyme flying blind.

I also ran DNA based XMRV frequencies on my oldest son, as he may have my autoimmune problem. They did not have much, if any affect while running them.

The strange effect was my wife felt the second frequency in the area she developed Shingles. She was in the same room, but not close to the machine. I got that look, you know the one, and she asked what I was running on the machine.

The XMRV frequencies likely caused the original outbreak, and it seems that at least one XMRV frequency affects Herpes Zoster virus also. Not destroying it, but causing it to activate sometimes.

It also tells me that we did not destroy all of the Herpes Zoster Virus, but the CAFL frequencies did put it into remission.

You get some strange experiences after using frequency treatments for a few years. Luckily, most of them are positive, but my wife did not like the Shingles episode.

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I can picture this mad scientist Dan pressing buttons and people screaming in the house. YES, THAT'S THE ONE. TURN IT OFF HONEY. [Smile]
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It is not quite that dramatic, but quite often I get, "what frequency is that!" and a nasty look.

That means that is the one I was looking for. The one that has an effect.

She has never refused a treatment. She knows it has worked without side effects, except for the Shingles episode, unlike all of the other methods we have tried.

She refused Spiro, because it made her mouth break out in thrush.

She refused Samento and Cumanda, although they worked well for a while, but Stomach problems eventually made it impossible to keep using.

MMS worked real well, but Stomach problems stopped that also.

That did not leave too many other options. She is running the machine herself tonight. She can't blame me this time.

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The wife had sore ankles last night, apparently from the previous nights treatment. We focused treatment on the ankles, since this seems to be the single biggest reservoir of Lyme.

Ran 612 Hz for 10 minutes, no reaction.

Ran all of the DNA frequencies for five minutes. Some slight reactions in various places, but very slight.

She feels fine today.

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For those interested in current research in frequency treatments download the PDF at the following site and take a look at page three.

http://jdc.jefferson.edu/jss/vol4/iss2/1/

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Dan.. Your machine is Contact or no?

Have you used Sticky Pads or Wet Pads on her ankles to get a more direct treatment?

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Dan,

I just read that article...WOW! That is very encouraging...I don't see how people can call rife and/or frequency treatments quackery when Jefferson Hospital is looking at it.

I know you mentioned in a separate thread that you didn't think rife would be accepted by mainstream medicine in our lifetimes...do you still think that after seeing this article?!

Thanks,

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I have both a contact machine and plasma.

I use both, but use the plasma machine more often, as it can be used hands free.

The contact method is run directly through the feet, but it does not seem to be any more effective than using the plasma machine near the feet.

I really cannot tell if one works better than the other. They seem to be about the same.

Dan

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I think regardless of the outcome, it will be buried, just as it was last time. No one but the patient can benefit, and no one really gives a hoot about the patient, at least not in official channels.

DCA is an equally promising treatment method, but do to the lack of money, it is slowly slipping into obscurity.

Low Dose Naltrexone same situation.

There are dozens of these examples.

Dan

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Dense moment here..

where is page three.. how do you get to it??

Thanks.. about to buy a rife and all the info I can give my dh will be helpful.

Download.. got it:

http://jdc.jefferson.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1079&context=jss

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Dan,
Sorry - what is DCA?
Thanks,
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Dan..
What I was asking is if you have tried contact method that is the add on features. Not necessarily the Feet plates.

You can use various combos on my machine. Including the Using Sticky Pads and Wet pads where you put them on each side of a joint or on your stomach and back so that the frequencies move more direct through the organs or liver etc...

My machine can run the Ray tubs with any of the other features including LEDS and Sticky pads and Wet pad and Foot Plats and Hand cylinders..

I am going to try some of those combinations at some point...

Output Type:
Select from 7 possible combinations
* Electrodes only
* Ray Tubes only
* LED Wand only
* Auxiliary only
* Electrodes & Ray Tubes simultaneously
* Electrodes & LED Wand simultaneously
* Electrodes & Auxiliary simultaneously

I have read and was told that will direct the frequencies in a more direct way to that location you want to work on....

So well> I think it makes sense that it would be more effective maybe? I am trying to research the various methods.....
I also can buy an additional tabletop plasma for hands free method and may one day get that if I feel this will be a large part of my ongoing maintenance.

Some information about my machine.. (not trying to promote)!

Can read more here
http://healingtools.tripod.com/BCX_ULTRA.html

Our Ray Tubes use only the most durable Quartz Glass, which are evacuated of Air, Fire-Quenched, and filled with a proprietary mixture of 5 different Inert Gases known as Noble Gases (Argon, Neon, Krypton, Xenon, Helium). The difference in effectiveness between Stainless-Steel Hand and Foot Electrodes is PROFOUND due to the DEEPLY penetrating nature of the R.F. (radio frequency) Energies. We include 4 kinds of Applicators/Electrodes (foot plates, hand-held rods, glass tubes and Red LED Wand) in order to offer our customers the GREATEST levels of choice.

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PS.. Here are 4 lyme frequency programs that were posted as the top successful for lyme.

Just as a suggestion. I have no experience with them...

Lyme Frequencies (these have been helpful to other researchers)

290,306,345,432

Master frequency,484,610,742, 790
810,864,930,1064,1440,2112,4200

Doug's Frequencies for Lyme 20,432,727,787,800,880,4200,4320,10K,305,306,600,611,612,625,920

John Garvey's Frequencies for Lyme
797,605,673,1455

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I have not run any of the machines in contact and radiant mode at the same time. I probably could rig it up that way, with a little thought.

I have not localized one area with a positive and a negative contact opposite of an isolated spot either. Since it is in all of the body, I don't think I would gain much that way.

I have no other accessories, but I may buy a whole new system since several people in my family would like to use the ones I have now. I also would like a more flexible and powerful system.

We will see how the money looks after the holidays.

Dan

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DCA information:

http://www.dca.med.ualberta.ca/Home/index.cfm

http://www.thedcasite.com/


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Has anyone had success with neuro lyme symptoms and rife? i.e muscle jerking, optic neuritis/optic, brain fog, coordination,numbness, twitching, insomnia etc
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I found a good deal on a used Perl. Anyone have thoughts, experiences to share?

I am confused regarding the Perl protocol. 5 days on and two days off, up to almost 2 hours.. how can a machine that strong be used like that?

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The DNA frequencies.. how high do they go? Thank you..
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You can convert the DNA freqencies to any range you want, but personally, I would not go higher than the MHz range. They seem to work well in that range, and going higher is entering unknown territory for treatment.

The PERL is a great machine, but I am not familier with the protocol that you are referring to. Is it for Lyme specifically?

I treat my wife everyday for several days in a row. While the average Lyme person cannot do that without big problems, it can be done over time, once Lyme is minimal.

You would have to work up to it. I would not try it right off the bat.

When buying a used machine, make sure you can test it using an ocilloscope. Or run it at a super low frequency like two Hertz, and you should be able to see the tube pulse.

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I am experiencing my first rife herx
I did:
612- one min
570- one min
864- one min

Once I settle down should I repeat the exact treatment? Or decrease or increase?

Happy New Year Everyone!

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Laura.. you now have a gauge of your response. You will have to decide taking into account how long your herx lasts and how severe it was.

If it is bearable and doable I would continue doing it the same way and same time frames until you feel it less

After that you have room to add more time or numbers or programs etc

Sadly there is no real instructions and you have to feel it out and figure out what works for you..

What made you choose those three numbers?

I am reading more of the Nyhah Sylver book and it am learning more as I go.

Adding in some detox would and should help your herxes and your body keep on flowing well..

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Do the DNA frequencies refer to human DNA or spirochete DNA? What do these frequencies do to the DNA - help or destroy?

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Thanks Spring
I chose 612 and 570 from this thread and 864 was chosen by doubling 432. Not sure exactly which frequency was effective but the herx started with babs symptoms...

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Lyme DNA. It is thought that the frequencies disrupt the DNA of the pathogen you are tareting. These are rather new, and it is not clear how they actually affect the DNA of the pathogen.

From what I can tell, they do kill Lyme cysts, or damage them enough so that they will die over time. I did not have a problem with ridding it from soft tissues, but the joints are harder. I have not yet eliminated it from the joints completely.

That is all based on reactions, or lack of them, to the treatments themselves, and the symptoms, or lack of them, after treatment.

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Wanted to post on here as well as a separate thread so it will be seen:

Can anyone recommend a particular Rife machine? I'd really like to try it. Here's software that claims to turn your computer (along with an amp) into a Rife machine:

http://www.noriftrife.com/default.asp?PARTNER=yahoo

Is this legit? Or would you recommend getting a separate machine?

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Lauralyme -- I would suggest keeping a rifing journal/log where you write down the date, which frequencies u use, the length of time on each frequency and your herx reaction. That way you can look at patterns and keep track of the different frequenices.

After a while your three freuencies that you mentioned above might not cause a reaction, but you might was to revisit the frequencies again as time goes on.

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I would stick with the proven machines, unless you have the ability to measure output, such as using an oscilloscope.

It may be legit, but I do not know anyone that has actually tested it. There are scammers in this field, but sometimes it is not easy to spot them.

My journals of treatment have been very useful. I refer to them once in a while, as my memory is not great.

I have one on the Rife Forum, I am always adding to.

Dan

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Someone told me that when they 1st tried a Rife machine that it was with a group of friends. They each took a turn on the machine. The next day they all herxed terribly, she felt that everyone was effected by each turn.

I, also, read of a woman who says that her daughter was in another room and was effected.

The Jefferson article was very exciting! Thanks for the link.

I kind of feel bad, but I asked my sis for my Rife machine back. Right now, I am more interested in detoxing with it, but of course will treat the Lyme, also.

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I'm likely going to start Rife therapy very shortly. I've held off for many years but I've thoroughly demonstrated that 7 years of antibiotics and an enormous array of other therapies have failed in my specific case.

I've run testing and come back positive (after 7 years.......of consistent treatment).

It should be extremely useful to monitor my results via blood work and excruciating documentation. I should be able to document it using video as well. I'm thinking of creating graphs. I could use them documenting symptoms and blood work numbers. It will be fantastic to see visual graphing.

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That would be an excellent way to track progress, or lack of it. It may help reveal some aspects of the treatment we are not currently aware of.

Good luck

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Metallic,

I am so excited that you are going to start rife therapy! Seems like it is certainly worth it at this point. I will be interested to hear your progress. What did your LLMD say about your plan?

I am still waiting to get a machine but plan to start it soon as well.

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I want to express my appreciation for this thread. Rife is my current treatment and it was not addressed on lymenet in a significant way for a time.

I overdid it over the holiday- ate sugar, drank alcohol and worked hard at packing for a move. Then I had major fatigue and sound sensitivity. It made me wonder, what is the mechanism for sound sensitivity? Is it inflamation?

In any case, I rifed yesterday and tried to eat and drink anti-inflamatory foods. I feel a bit better today.

During my rife session, I had pain in my finger joints on the erlichia frequencies. Does erlichia hid in the joints like lyme?

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I believe most of the symptoms are a result of the immune system responding to the infection. This includes visual, auditory, tactile and a variety of other symptoms.

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catskill, interesting question on finger joints. I've had the finger pain since early on. I will run erlichia freqs and see what happens.

I've never focused on erlichia with rife.

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Glad for this thread that has stayed nice and calm...

I was wondering if anyone has tried to add in toxoplasmosis or malaria freqencies.

What was your experience.?

BLUE>. How do you plan to start? Meaning.. do you have some sort of plan yet?

LEt us know

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