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I posted elsewhere but will post here as well. I've had a really good hit on 479 HZ for treating CPN. It replicates very fast (every 2-3 hrs) so needs frequent treatment.
I hit a good herx point at 5 min on the liver plus 5-7 minutes around the respiratory system where I have the symptoms. I'm keeping the 2-3 hr coiling schedule but cutting the time somewhat to keep the herx manageable.
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Also I should say that the hierarchy of bugs for me has been borrelia, then bartonella, then CPN.
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John S says the pecking order goes as follows...
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Yeah, and I will likely have to go after both myco and babs as I've had positive labs there. So for me, CPN is before these. (Although erlichia popped up briefly for me after borrelia.)
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chlamydia pneumoniae
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Is that considered a co infection and if so what freqs are used? Just wondering if I need to add that to my already never ending test list.
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china,
How did you know erlichia popped up?
I tested positive for it as well and would love to hear what the common symptoms are.
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I just tried CAFL frequencies. 1886 worked but was too hard on my machine. Tried a couple others in the 470 range, but 479 Hz has worked the best.
Officially a co-infection, I don't know but if you google it and lyme there are a lot of hits.
Cane, I will have to look in my notes about erlichia.
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According to this doctor's explanation, CPN is not a lyme "co-infection" officially because it is not tick-borne. However, he makes a case for it going along with lyme.
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May 12th 2011 9:00 AM: This was my 88th Treatment. I waited 48 hours to begin this treatment since the last. Woke up at baseline of 35%, no "big" progress made. I was sicker yesterday from lack of sleep. Insomnia has presented itself. The higher dose of 5g of MSM may be worsening the situation, but it is unknown at this time. The lower dose seemed to help. I will increase to 10gm of MSM on Sunday coming up. Today I'm going to follow John Stoller's routine recommended here in the order of Lyme 432, Bartonella (BLO) 832, Mycoplasma Species 690, Babesia Species 570, Anaplasma Species 387, Erlichia 395, Epstein Barr virus 880 and finallyb Xmrv 448. If I notice anything, I will pause on that particular frequency and repeat it until I feel it is no longer necessary. I am also increasing the frequency time for a single frequency to 45 mins.
1: Purpose: Kill Borrelia Burgdorferi
Make: Rife Labs
Machine Model: EMEM3D2
1: Frequency: 1: 432
1: Dose: 45mins
Distance 1 foot
Location Target: Anterior of Body
Duration: 48 hours
Interval: 1 min
Clothing: Cotton Tee Shirt, Cotton PJ pants
Stomach Content: Empty
Detoxification: MSM 3gm Morn - 2gm Night
Water: Trace Mineral Research, 20dp in 64oz Fluid,
Post Water: 16oz filtered
Exercise: 20 push-ups, 20 crunches, 5 pull-ups, and 60 mins on exercise bike
Immediate Effect: During & post treatment: 1: None
Health Function Scale: 35%
24hr: No change, baseline.
48hr: No change, baseline.
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John also doesn't say that you do all the frequencies at once. He told me to run each one until the herx is over then move on to the next.
I wouldn't try all of them looking for a response with a Coil machine but maybe it would be safe with yours Metallic.
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The first real sunny days produced some Lyme activity in Cindy. Her ankles were killing her, and I have not treated her much lately.
Ran the old standby 612 Hz and 2016 Hz at higher harmonics. Also the Bart frequency of 832 Hz at a higher harmonic.
She felt all of them directly. She will likely feel better today.
My Nephew may have a Lyme recurrence after several weeks on IV Rocephrin, a couple of years ago. He has a knee that is bothering him a lot. I sure hope it is not Lyme, but I am thinking that is the most likely scenario.
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DT is not going to be building the EMEM forever, as he is getting up there in years. I think another resource would be nice to have.
There is always a need for a low cost device.
I would recommend you talk to another builder before doing so. There are likely some legalities you want to have covered from the start.
I have someone in mind if you are interested.
Dan
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How did you guys know Mycoplasma had surfaced?
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My symptoms are the same as the Lyme concerning the Myco. Joint and muscle pain.
Herx's feel the same to. LLMD said it caused me to become very sick in a short amount of time. Within weeks.
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May 14th 2011 11:00 AM: This was my 89th Treatment. I waited 48 hours to begin this treatment since the last. I will increase to 10gm of MSM on Sunday coming up. Today I'm going to follow John Stoller's routine recommended here in the order of Lyme 432, Bartonella (BLO) 832, Mycoplasma Species 690, Babesia Species 570, Anaplasma Species 387, Erlichia 395, Epstein Barr virus 880 and finally Xmrv 448. As usual, I had no response at 45mins on Frequency 432, so now I'm moving on.
1: Purpose: Kill Bartonella Species
Make: Rife Labs
Machine Model: EMEM3D2
1: Frequency: 1: 832
1: Dose: 45mins
Distance 1 foot
Location Target: Anterior of Body
Duration: 48 hours
Interval: 1 min
Clothing: Cotton Tee Shirt, Cotton PJ pants
Stomach Content: Empty
Detoxification: MSM 5gm Morning
Water: Trace Mineral Research, 20dp in 64oz Fluid,
Post Water: 16oz filtered
Exercise: 20 push-ups, 20 crunches, 5 pull-ups, and 60 mins on exercise bike
Immediate Effect: During & post treatment: 1: None
Health Function Scale: 35%
24hr: No progress, baseline
48hr: No progress, baseline
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Actually I'm hitting it the least right now and have been from the beginning. Lyme and Bart are my main priorities. I rife the Myco once a week and keep it under my herxing zone.
Once my Lyme and Bart herx's let up some (and they are) I'll hit it harder. I am making progress doing it this way because I have been able to up my Myco rifing times occasionally without herxing.
It's working for me.. I'm pretty much symptom free other then when I am herxing.
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what is the best rife machine to buy and where to buy at please help???
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Juli that's awesome.
What are you running for Bart and Lyme?
I've been at 832 Bart 2/day for 3 months now. It's still around.
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Most of the viruses we carry like HHV-6, CMV, EBV,etc and mycoplasma pn and chlamydia pn, simple staph or strep carriers are carried by many healthy people.
When you are healthy and have these so called simple bacteria or virus the immune system is able to keep in check and most people only experience very little in the way of symptoms.
Now take a ill patient with lyme, bart or babs add in some EBV, alittle mycoplasma pn or this or that, plus a few parasites and you have someone quite ill or someone experiencing many things that effect their day to day living.
So I'd say it's quite possible we picked up these little bad guys doing life. Like catching flu or common cold.
But if you can image where the bug, insect, arachnid had been feeding on before it got ahold of you...no telling what those sob's had in them.
An immune system in operation overload, esp when we've added in abx or steroids(oops) and the immune system is more suppressed, what you have is a very complicated case and not some simple "lyme disease" alone illness.
The way I know is blood tests with titers sky high, some IgG positive, some IgM positives and who in the heck knows what all is not in your blood supply.
Maybe your myco is living in your heart? Maybe your strep is living in your sinus cavity? Maybe your kidneys/bladder are overloaded with ecoli bacteria?
Sometimes it's so overwhelming, one has no idea who (bad guys)needs to go first or can wait.
All I know is I can't overwhelm my body with killing them off quickly or I'm toast.
Certainly where a good muscle tester or ART practioner can come in handy?
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Can a Lyme herx come on 2-3 days later?
I ran 432 on Wednesday and on Friday night and today my knees, hips, neck, low back, and calves are BEYOND sore : )
A delay in herxing can really make it hard to track these diseases.
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I think the best all around machine for Lyme or any other type of frequency treatment is the GB-4000 and the MOPA amplifier. It is a lot of money, and not everyone can afford it.
I use my GB-4000 and MOPA amplifier for more than just Lyme treatment, given that I have Crohn's Disease. For a machine that is able to do most anything, it is a good choice.
I am rating it on its versatility and advanced functions such as sweeps and other custom functions, and ease of use.
I think the the best single purpose machine, for Lyme in particular, that is more affordable is the Doug Coil. It has been proven to help a lot with Lyme and co-infections.
Another less powerful option is the EMEM from DT or another builder. I think this is a good option to test to see if this method will help a person in particular, without a large investment.
I think any of these machines have to be considered a good method of controlling the disease, and not necessarily curative. Cures are rare, but they can make your life closer to normal with regular use.
Not all people get the same results, but it is a complex disease, and the co-infections make it even more so.
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Cane, a delayed herx on 432 is pretty common from what I've heard. My herx peaks at 48 hours or so too.
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As I rife and time goes on my herx's have changed. When I began rifing Lyme not so long ago I would begin herxing within 5-6 hours and herx for 5-6 days now I never herx until 36-37 hours out then I herx for about 12 hours.
The freqs I run for Lyme are 432 Hz, 612 Hz, 2016 Hz.
When I rife Bart I now begin herxing at 12 hours out and it lasts 18 hours or so. The freqs I use are 832 Hz, 357 Hz but at a higher harmonic.
Dan,
Thanks for the pneumonia freq 37,322 Hz. Ed is 100% after running it just 3 days. I'm now getting sick so I tested it this morning for 2 mins. I'm hoping I can use it also. Has Cindy ever used this freq? I'm just wondering if she did and if she herxed or not.
Lymeonidas,
I also have the GB 4000 w/MOPA and I really like it!
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I have never run any Pneumonia frequencies. I will use that one, if one of us happens to get it.
It is the combination of that frequency and the 3.1 MHz carrier wave that produces the effect.
Since that particular frequency was an original Rife frequency, I was almost 100% positive it would work. He was quite thorough in his research.
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I'm so hoping I can use this freq because I have such a problem with pneumonia then I get asthma on top of it.
Jeff, had sent me a newer DVD he had recently made and it has a little more detail about the GB & MOPA.
He runs 24000 Hz while setting the carrier freq for more accuracy. I'm not sure if you got this updated info or not so I just wanted to pass it by you.
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I was not aware of that information. I will calibrate my MOPA accordingly.
Thanks Juli.
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Juli, you do know pneumonia bacteria can and does reside outside the lungs? Like myco and chlamydia, I mean? I've never had any lung or respitory issues which is why I've never susuected babesia or myco pn?
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I tested neg on IgeneX's labs for Babesia. I haven't tested any of the Mycoplasma Pneumonia freqs as of yet but I do plan on it.
I'm hoping I don't have it. I began getting pneumonia long before I became sick with Lyme so I'm hopeful. I seem to only get pneumonia when I have been exposed to it by someone else.
The last person that I got it from died and I ended up in the hospital. Sooo.. my thinking is it's a different strain of bacteria.
Thanks for your input this is important info had I not known.
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Thanks Juli and China
GB4000 users, What does the new 3.1 MHz Radio Frequency entail? Basically what does the new upgrade allow you to do?
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The change was to the MOPA itself. It used to have a carrier frequency that did not go to the 3.3 MHz range that was originally used in the Hoyland designed frequency machine. This was one of the more effective units.
I used to run half of that carrier frequency, and use the second harmonic to get me to 3.3 MHz. Since it was not that difficult to change it to the real carrier,it was decided to upgrade the units.
The GB-4000 itself has only had minor changes over the years. Older models have to have a coax jack installed to allow it to hook up to the MOPA.
The 3.1 MHz carrier frequency is mostly used when an original Rife frequency is involved. Much of the effect of the original Hoyland machine was not so much from the frequency that was put into the machine, but the sidebands created that were in higher ranges.
Using a sideband calculator developed by a member of the Rife forum, you can see which carrier frequency allows the audio frequency to reach the Rife MOR in the least amount of harmonics.
In some cases the 3.3 MHz will work better for a given frequency, and in other cases 3.1 MHz will get you to the higher frequency with less jumps through harmonics.
Rife's original Pneumonia frequency was 426,862 Hz. We are getting there using harmonics. We can figure out which carrier works best using the sideband calculator.
The further up the harmonic ladder you get, the weaker the signal. This method allows us to get to the higher MOR with the least amount of rungs on the ladder, if that makes sense.
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Oh ok So on their website where they say...
**Carrier wave frequency: Now with new 3.1 MHz RF (Radio Frequency) capable of producing harmonic sidebands like the 1930's, 1940's and 1950's equipment**
^^ That only matters if you have the MOPA? (sorry, some of this is confusing)
And do you make use of it Dan, with your MOPA?
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Do you have a link? Possibly they have made some kind of upgrade, I am not aware of.
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I just found it, and it does appear that the new GB-4000 does have a 3.1 MHz carrier frequency.
I did not know they had changed it.
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Which carrier freq are you using when treating Lyme and Co infections? I don't think they are any of Rife's original freqs right?
I have been using 3.3 MHz.
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Herxing can be delayed up to two weeks. That is why B. Rosner recommends waiting 2 wks between rifing sessions.
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That is what I use since we do not have a Rife MOR for a higher harmonic from testing.
A person could use both, and see if one works noticeably better than the other. I think I will try that out.
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Dang Lymetoo - that's a long time lol
By then I would just assume it's a flareup and not a herx.
There's an interesting phenomenon regarding my Lyme herxes.
Before they happen I'm always very relaxed and at ease (aka feelin pretty dang good)
Like the calm before the storm. And then like a truck it hits me.
Same thing happened when I started abxs. I went 4 days before the MAJOR herxing hit me.
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My goodness Juli. Some things still surprise me on this site.
My myco pN are so high. I don't recall doing MPN freqs, but I do know my machine is pre-programmed for that.
I always like a test? But I've been so intent on bart & lyme, maybe I should try myco?
Pam
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Below are some Mycoplasma Pneumonia freq that asummmers had sent me from this site. I'll list other Myco's for anyone who might be interested.
I haven't tested them yet myself I just have to much on my plate right now.
I've read where most if not all persons with lyme have some kind of mycoplasma. I reacted strongly to Myco Fermenta's 880.2 Hz & 690 Hz. For some reason I have 880 Hz handwritten in under this pathogen that I do use also.
LLMD once had told me and I've also read Mycoplasma's are the infections that can cause other illness such as ALS, Lupus and RA just to name a few so they are definitely worth investigating.
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May 16th 2011 11:00 AM: This was my 90th Treatment. I waited 48 hours to begin this treatment since the last. Still taking time off from MSM today. Today I'm going to follow John Stoller's routine recommended here in the order of Lyme 432, Bartonella (BLO) 832, Mycoplasma Species 690, Babesia Species 570, Anaplasma Species 387, Erlichia 395, Epstein Barr virus 880 and finally Xmrv 448. No response noted to 832.
1: Purpose: Kill Mycoplasma Species
Make: Rife Labs
Machine Model: EMEM3D2
1: Frequency: 1: 690
1: Dose: 45mins
Distance 1 foot
Location Target: Anterior of Body
Duration: 48 hours
Interval: 1 min
Clothing: Cotton Tee Shirt, Cotton PJ pants
Stomach Content: Empty
Detoxification: None
Water: Trace Mineral Research, 20dp in 64oz Fluid,
Post Water: 16oz filtered
Exercise: 20 push-ups, 20 crunches, 5 pull-ups, and 60 mins on exercise bike
Immediate Effect: During & post treatment: 1: None
Health Function Scale: 35%
24hr: Fatigue improved, but all other symptoms remained.
48hr: Insomnia last night, woke up feeling exhausted but fatigue is improving today.
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Yeah, I've thought about that I know it is a VERY broad spectrum freq.
I run it in a auto program along with the other two freqs I use for Myco.
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I thought I should refresh this... John S told me today he puts Babs in front of Myco on the pecking order. (though there are rare occasions where someone's mycoplasma is worse)
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You guys are the greatest. Look how much we've been able to help each other. I love it.
thanks Ms Juli for your freqs. I need to compare to what's in my pre-programmed.
Pam
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