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coltman
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just stumbled across this link providing a link for one of my other posts . Mainstream guy, using EM treatments :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbbMAPgfREc&feature=channel

And here is his book :

http://books.google.com/books?id=zb-3YzIn4ZcC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false


Have anyone heard about this before !? This guy is not some fringe. Damn where are clinical trials!

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Sadly he is dead, but this stuff is fascinating :

http://www.iabc.readywebsites.com/page/page/623959.htm

Moreover there is this alternative treatment for cancer floating around based on cesium chloride. And theory behind is acidity/ alkaline balance. Cesium makes cells alkaline.

Now the quote from above link

"
. He realized that a wound, or tumor, had a considerable amount of cell degradation (lysis) occurring at it's center, making this region positively charged and highly acidic. Therefore, in relation to the surrounding normal tissue, the wound or tumor site had the properties of a wet cell battery, producing a positive potential between the center and periphery of the wound or tumor."

and here is BOOM KICKER - I read long time ago (probably surfing wikipedia or some such) about unexplained phenomenon of how fast immune cells works, never paid attention to it :


" Applying these numbers to the BCEC cellular transport equation, the resulting velocity (v) of 0.1 cm./sec. allows the white blood cell to reach the injury site in approximately 2 sec. This transport time is within the range of observed immune system response times for tissues and organs, and is much faster (by a factor of approximately 1,000) than the transport times predicted by chemotaxis models that rely on diffusion and physiological/immunological concepts that are more than 150 years old. "


HOLY MAN! I am really shocked -explanation of unexplained . Add the fact that dominant ion channel transfer theory is not fool proof (in fact its full of holes) and I really start believing there is something huge which was missed and ignored

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I could not easily find his date of birth but he must have lived to be quite old if he was already well-established and working with advanced theories in the 1950's.

A Google search brings some great links: "Bjorn Nordenstrom" Here are a couple:

http://www.markschauss.com/opinion/in-passing-dr-bjorn-nordenstrom/comment-page-1/

by Mark Schauss:

In Passing - Dr. Bjorn Nordenstrom

April 6th, 2007

A giant in the field of medicine, Dr. Bjorn Nordenstrom, passed away this past December 31st (2006). Few of you probably know of him but anyone who has had a conversation with me about the field of electrolytes has heard me talk of this genius.

His book, Biologically Closed Electric Circuits: Clinical, Experimental and Theoretical Evidence for an Additional Circulatory System is a monumental piece of work.

His work on treating cancer through the use of electrochemical treatment protocols is now the standard in many parts of the world especially China and parts of Europe.

Dr. Nordenstrom was a member of the Nobel Prize committee in Medicine and Physics and was awarded the International Scientific and Technological Cooperation Award by the People's Republic of China because of his work on tumor regression.

Although in poor health these past few years, his legacy will most certainly live on.

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http://www.naturalworldhealing.com/nordenstrom-electrical.htm

. . .

If you study the career of Dr. Nordenstrm you will see that after he lectured in the U.S.A. about his research with cancer, he was ignored by the American cancer industry.

He announced his discovery of the charge difference in cancer tumors and told doctors and researchers in the U.S. how he was able to make tumors disappear when he hooked up an electrical current and reversed the charge in the tumor.

Eventually he went to China and they immediately understood the value of his discovery and began applying it to treating cancer patients.

In 2001, Dr. Bjrn E.W. Nordenstrm received the International Scientific and Technological Cooperation Award from the People's Republic of China for his work with cancer.

Inaugurated in 1994 by the State Council, the International Scientific and Technological Cooperation Award is granted to foreigners or foreign organizations that have made important contributions to China's scientific and technological advancement.

Dr. Nordenstrm is the first Swedish scientist to receive this award.

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And check this out this:
http://www.gilbertling.org/

See how all 3- Nordstrom theory, deficiency of mainstream and electrical/alkaline treatments click together?

Nordstrom book is huge but this stuff seems really worth digging into.

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And here is great summary on Gilbert Link theory:
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/SMFCB.php

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Frigging unbelievable :
http://www.panmere.com/rosen/mhout/msg02179.html

One consequence of his theory I do find interesting is that 'association' and 'induction' both specify constraint relationships between molecules of water, protein, etc. inside the cell. (As opposed to these molecules simply floating around in solution inside the cell.) This brought to mind Rosen's discussion of a maximally, or totally, constrained system (1986, "Causal Structures in Brains and Machines", Int. J. Gen. Sys. 12:107-126, or AS 427-428). In such a system, a maximal number of nonholonomic constraints create a system where "...the impressed forces of conventional analytic mechanics disappear completely; their only role is to get the system moving. Once moving, the motion is completely described by the constraints; i.e., by a system of first-order differential equations." [1986, p. 108] In such a system, the velocities are determined by the configuration alone. Rosen later notes that this is the only kind of mechanical system which can accomplish the experimental result that Morowitz pointed out years earlier: that a bacterial cell could be carefully frozen to absolute zero (where all dynamics (all momenta) are removed) and then re-thawed (with no real control over the specific imparted momenta) and the cell could continue to grow. So, I wonder if the constraints represented by "association-induction" take part in making a cell a totally constrained system.

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This is great information coltman, do you think the electro magnetic fields also validates meridians or chakras. Is there any association to this Doctor's great work and the observations found to exist for thousands of years?

It would be great if east met west on this finally.

Great post thanks...

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Nordastrom story sounds alot like Royal Raymond Rife's life. To think that the powers to be are ignoring and covering up possible cancer treatments??????????

50 years, where could we be today with some of this thinking?

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Good information.

There are many treatments that hold great promise that never come to the public because of lack of credibility and lack of funding to get that credibility.

I personally think that is why it's important not to dismiss something because it did not get the funding necessary to meet current scientific standards.

Cancer treatments are full of repressed possible cures. Hoxsey is a good example of that. Even congress got involved in that one. Rife is another good example. ESSIAC is yet another. I'm sure there are many others.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you!! Amazing stuff and a nice "stumble."

Good work coltman.

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quote:
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This is great information coltman, do you think the electro magnetic fields also validates meridians or chakras. Is there any association to this Doctor's great work and the observations found to exist for thousands of years?

It would be great if east met west on this finally.


I wouldn't jump as far as stating this just yet. But imho Ling's cell theory together with Nordenstrom's practical work absolutely warrant serious research into electrical and energetic properties of living cells and whole organisms.

There are many blank spots in cellular biology, theory which explains all the inconsistencies could be a breakthrough

I am really angry at the moment that this field has absolutely no funding. I mean all those hundreds of billions of dollars spent on cancer produced nothing so far. Its time people start looking at the holes in the current mainstream paradigm

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"I mean all those hundreds of billions of dollars spent on cancer produced nothing so far."

They produced lotsa $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for pharmaceutical companies !

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Coltman check these links out, absolutely agree mainstream isn't looking close enough:

http://www.wddty.com/human-energy-fields-fritz-albert-popp.html

www.biophotonen-online.de/news/2007/Meridian.pdf

But the following link expresses how Nordenstrom and Popp/Zhang meet the definition of the body energetic.

http://tinyurl.com/y8rpxyc

As far as cancer :

http://www.lifescientists.de/publication/pub2002-05.htm

A lot of scientists have a jaundiced view of both Popp and Nordenstrom, similar to how medicine views LLMDs. Go figure, like in dollars signs!

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Coltman what is Ling's cellular theory?

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