LymeNet Home LymeNet Home Page LymeNet Flash Discussion LymeNet Support Group Database LymeNet Literature Library LymeNet Legal Resources LymeNet Medical & Scientific Abstract Database LymeNet Newsletter Home Page LymeNet Recommended Books LymeNet Tick Pictures Search The LymeNet Site LymeNet Links LymeNet Frequently Asked Questions About The Lyme Disease Network LymeNet Menu

LymeNet on Facebook

LymeNet on Twitter




The Lyme Disease Network receives a commission from Amazon.com for each purchase originating from this site.

When purchasing from Amazon.com, please
click here first.

Thank you.

LymeNet Flash Discussion
Dedicated to the Bachmann Family

LymeNet needs your help:
LymeNet 2020 fund drive


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations.

LymeNet Flash Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» LymeNet Flash » Questions and Discussion » Medical Questions » Just started the CORE. What should i expect?

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Just started the CORE. What should i expect?
aliyalex
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 6976

Icon 5 posted      Profile for aliyalex     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
i am on day 4 taking 1 capsule a day. i muscle tested 1/da. i am also doing the supportive cocktail, and also artemesinin and interfase.

thanks so much. aliyah

Posts: 830 | From Colorado | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
seekhelp
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 15067

Icon 1 posted      Profile for seekhelp     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Stronger abs? Leaner mid-section?

http://www.kaboodle.com/reviews/as-seen-on-tv-gunnar-petersons-core-secrets-dvd-and-fitness-ball-workout-system

Just trying to add some humor. [Smile] I'm sorry I don't know anything about that supplement.

Posts: 7545 | From The 5th Dimension - The Twilight Zone | Registered: Mar 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
joalo
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 12752

Icon 1 posted      Profile for joalo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
What is the CORE?? [confused] I've never heard of it.

--------------------
Sick since January 1985. Misdiagnosed for 20 years. Tested CDC positive October 2005. Treating since April 2006.

Posts: 3228 | From Somewhere west of the Mississippi | Registered: Aug 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
aliyalex
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 6976

Icon 1 posted      Profile for aliyalex     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
oh sorry. it is dr.k's KPU protocol.
Posts: 830 | From Colorado | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
What's KPU?

[Smile]

Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
pryorka
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 13649

Icon 1 posted      Profile for pryorka     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Assuming you're heavy metal toxic like I am then you might slowly start feeling worse as more metals start being moved out of their bonding sites. Others that have been doing this treatment longer are much better. I think sixgoofykids even completely recovered now. I'm almost a month into it and I'm still feeling worse from it, but as others tell me as we keep going we'll gradually get better as we will be able to chelate metals out better. I'd suggest you definitely take binders while doing this treatment (chlorella, microsilica, pectin).
Posts: 499 | From Indiana | Registered: Oct 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
aliyalex
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 6976

Icon 1 posted      Profile for aliyalex     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
can - i really don't feel like i can explain kpu adequately. best to do a search. it is worth it.

pryo-i chelated for 18 months with ca EDTA and DMSA and didnt touch the HMs. i did 2 weeks of AI and felt horrible and dumped metals.

i am taking 15 chlorella 3 times a day and microsilica. and zeolite.

would you explain how you feel from it? and what is the timeline? i understand everybody is different. thx.

Posts: 830 | From Colorado | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
SForsgren
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 7686

Icon 1 posted      Profile for SForsgren         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Hopefully at 1 capsule of CORE, you will tolerate it reasonably well. As the zinc dose goes up, metals begin to mobilize and that's where it gets very difficult. I think CORE has a lower dose of zinc than some were taking in the past that were on the KPU protocol. Starting low and then working up to 4 seems like a reasonable plan.

--------------------
Be well,
Scott

Posts: 4617 | From San Jose, CA | Registered: Jul 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
aliyalex
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 6976

Icon 1 posted      Profile for aliyalex     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
UP TO 4?! sorry i yelled. Scott, Michelle and i were talking about some of the early kpu takers and she told me it was really rough finding out what was needed to support the protocol. we decided i should thank you for blazing the trail.

thank you.

muscle testing said 1 capsule. i send another AI sample friday. next week i'll look at my blood again. next month i see DK again and he can do ART and his other magic.

i just feel like it is now or never.

so when you say as zinc goes up it gets difficult, what were allof your manifestations? just want to be prepared. thx.

i've been waking up unable to bend my arms. stiffness has never been in my arms like that. also i have my 2nd respiratory reaction in 2 weeks. before that, it had been over 2 years!! somethings are surely mobilizing.

Posts: 830 | From Colorado | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
SForsgren
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 7686

Icon 1 posted      Profile for SForsgren         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Very toxic feeling. Heavy metal toxicity symptoms. Swollen, sore lymph nodes. Mostly feeling really toxic. Took nearly every detox agent known.

I would think on one capsule of CORE, there should not be too much of a problem, but everyone will respond differently. One capsule of core is about 6-7mg of zinc which is quite low. At one point, I was on 200mg of zinc a day (not advised).

--------------------
Be well,
Scott

Posts: 4617 | From San Jose, CA | Registered: Jul 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
djf2005
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 11449

Icon 1 posted      Profile for djf2005     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I am going to be taking the core starting at 1x daily once my amalgams are out in a few weeks.

I am hoping this therapy proves to be beneficial, I need it, as do so many others.

Derek

--------------------
"Experience is not what happens to you; it is what you do with what happens to you."

[email protected]

Posts: 2269 | From Lansdowne, Pa | Registered: Mar 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Bump

Anymore experiences with this?

Is the Core Mineral ok to take while on abx's?

[ 03-03-2010, 11:52 PM: Message edited by: canefan17 ]

Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Lauralyme
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 15021

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Lauralyme     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I'm on it with no adverse effects.
Started KPU with individual supplements and had a brutally toxic time while chelating with Detoxamin.

Whether KPU protocol contributed to my toxic state while chelating I don't know but the only thing to take the edge off was a Vit C IV.

Yes I am on ABX and Core at the same time

--------------------
Fall down seven times, get up eight
~Japanese proverb

Posts: 1146 | From west coast | Registered: Mar 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
NanaDubo
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 14794

Icon 1 posted      Profile for NanaDubo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
just my thoughts: when doing the CORE and mobilizing metals, if your body doesn't recognize them they could just recirculate. This is were AI comes in.

I am doing the CORE now and suspect I might have had a much more difficult time with it if I had not done a year of AI first. Not saying a year is needed, just that that's how long I was on it before starting the CORE.

If your body can't differentiate between a mercury molecule and a bean sprout...... AI.

Posts: 1129 | From Maine | Registered: Feb 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lightparfait
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 22022

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lightparfait     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I have done over 6 months of Allergie Immune before beginning the "core". I am having no bad reactions to the Core minerals, either is my daughter.

...she is experiencing less anxiety and depression from taking the minerals with the Allergie Immune. No negetive reactions. Her physical strength and mental abilities are strengthened when on them she says.

I believe this is due to the timing of our starting it...that we were already off abx, had already done several months of detox, tested very positive for KPU, but also ART tested that we should not begin the much needed KPU protocol yet...each month we tested with ART to know when or if to begin the protocol, until after 6 months, then we tested with ART to start it along with the Allergie Immune.

Our pathways are more open now to handle it I believe.

We occasionally test to take some multi vitamin/minerals now...so those days, we test to only take 2 core capsules..., and the other days when not taking additional multi vit/mineral supplement, we take 4 capsules. Always depends what is needed each day for us.

I highly recommend AI therapy first to anyone considering doing The KPU therapy.

[ 03-04-2010, 10:37 AM: Message edited by: lightparfait ]

Posts: 1009 | From NJ | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
aliyalex
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 6976

Icon 1 posted      Profile for aliyalex     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
i increased to 2 Core caps last week. tomorrow i go up to 3. Dr K told me to go up to 4 right away and that that is just maintenance dose.

so far i am ok. i came back from seattle more flexible than i have been in over 6 months.

healing continues to be a mystery to me.

Posts: 830 | From Colorado | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
map1131
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 2022

Icon 1 posted      Profile for map1131     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
aliyalex, I hope and pray that this protocol is just what you've needed for a long time to turn the corner on your health.

I pray no wheel chair and no walker in your future. On two feet lady!!!!!

Pam

--------------------
"Never, never, never, never, never give up" Winston Churchill

Posts: 6402 | From Louisville, Ky | Registered: Jan 2002  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
What's the idea behind AI before KPU?

Why?

Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lightparfait
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 22022

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lightparfait     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
For most, our bodies need some rewireing...as they are not recognizing food from toxin...see post below from Nanadobu...AI thread...


Icon 1 posted 03-02-2010 07:39 AM Profile for NanaDubo Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote " Here's my shot at it Wolfed Out -

Illness = toxicity

Toxicity = chaos in the body

Chaos = body not recognizing friend from foe

Allergie-Immun = recognizing friend from foe, peeling away the choas layer by layer, freeing blockages to allow the toxins to leave

It does not seek out specific illnesses but by getting the train cars running on the right tracks, issues start falling by the wayside - whether it be lyme, allergies, heavy metals etc. etc."


Basically, for me and my daughter...it finally worked to re-wire our system,

(with the Allergie Immune communication re-set button)

so our body finally knew how to accept the minerals for the KPU so we could begin to detox...and hence heal.

The AI also re-set or re-booted up our system so we are now not allergic to any food, or living thing...as we were highly allergic to all plants, animals and many food items.

Our bodies are communicating correctly now...after begining the Allergie Immune.

I personally think for us it would be a waste of time taking the Core or anything while it was not being absorbed. NOw it is absorbed, and our intestinal tract and digestive system is working...as it was not in the past. And it is working in the brain...where we were lacking the minerals...hence depression/anxiety now diminished and virtually gone while on the core.

hope that makes sense to those with the same issues.

Posts: 1009 | From NJ | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Ya. I feel like my body is functioning pretty good.

My detox pathways are clear and I'm at about 90% function.


I personally don't even think I'll have much of a metal dump on The Core.

I currently take b6, biotin, zinc, magnesium as it is. And I don't think I had a heavy metal dump.

But I will have a binder on board just in case : )

See what my LLMD says. He usually is not interested in this kind of stuff. That's why I ask you guys lol

Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
NanaDubo
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 14794

Icon 1 posted      Profile for NanaDubo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
It's worth getting the test if you are not interested in the drops. You might be surprised to find out your body doesn't recognize mercury or lead as toxic.

ALL the bodies on the AI thread except for one that I know - DID NOT RECOGNIZE MERCURY AS TOXIC -DNA level.

You cannot dump what your body doesn't recognize. It stashes it away in one body part or another to keep us alive.

Posts: 1129 | From Maine | Registered: Feb 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
But is AI simply taking their formula(drops) 3 times a day for an extended period of time.

There's no reaction when taking it?
You simply begin to feel better and detox better?

Do you have an immune awakening?

Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lightparfait
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 22022

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lightparfait     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Many old issues both physical or emotional are "awakened" or "recognized" by you, as being old issues...as they are released with Allergie Immune therapy.

The biggest thing in the beginning is choosing to release them and not to live in the sickness or or the negative thought or emotions that plague you. To begin to mentaly move out of identifying yourself as "lyme". To get out of lymeland mentally.

Emotional freedom happens when you can choose it, and recognize it, and then the physical release can take place. This is what I experienced first on AI.

Vivid dreams, and tears happened initially for me...and I was freed of lyme disease during this time, in the beginning.

I moved onto KPU treatment with Core later.

Posts: 1009 | From NJ | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
sixgoofykids
Moderator
Member # 11141

Icon 1 posted      Profile for sixgoofykids   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
What you describe, lightparfait is what I experienced with the Bionic 880 treatment. Interesting. I did have emotions that seemed to be tied up to the illness are were released as I got better. Though I was skeptical, I used EFT (tapping .... it's free, so I figured I had nothing to lose).

I take Depyrrol, but because I started it before Core came out. I didn't change over because I had such good results with Depyrrol, I figured, why risk changing it up?

--------------------
sixgoofykids.blogspot.com

Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
When I went on clarythromycin and amoxi for the first time ( my first herx)...

I had strange flashbacks to my childhood and what-not. Very weird and hard to explain to somebody. But as I was falling asleep one night I just began to cry and all I could think of were very OLD childhood memories that I had forgotten existed.

It was so strange lol Almost like a hallucination.

Maybe there are many ways to re-direct the body's system. Treating Lyme could be one of those as well.

Remove the antagonist and the body and emotions will recover.


The same way that AI clears pathways... The Core seems to do so as well. It bumps off metals and toxins from places they shouldn't be.

This alone clears pathways and energy sources.

Treating Lyme with abx's and exercise and a good diet I believe can do the same thing.

Acupuncture is another one.

Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lightparfait
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 22022

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lightparfait     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Cane,
abx, Core, bionic, EFT and exercise are not the same as Allergie Immune Therapy...

Those things, as positive as they are when needed, do not open up the pathways...they work well after the pathways are open...

Some can be harmful if the pathways are not open.

All those therapies are great...but you need to open the pathways...re-boot the system, --push the reset button so to speak...to allow those protocols to do their thing and your body to recognize their purpose.

AI addresses mistakes in recognizing food as food, or nature as nature...as our bodies sometimes have sensitivities to god made things as well as man made chemicals and environmental toxins. OUr bodies are cross wired and not communicating correct info for our bodies to work naturally...this is what AI addresses.

Six..eft is great...but does not do what the AI will do. AI is permanent...EFT is temporary and tapping is needed regularly for regulation to frequencies to be open. AI addresses things on a much deeper level...not equal.

I know this is hard to express in written word.

The open pathways AI regulates is not the same thing.

Others may have a better way to describe this to you. I have done all that you mention and it does not accomplish the same thing. Far from AI.

Posts: 1009 | From NJ | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
light,

So if someone has made 95% improvement with abx's can one conclude that they never had "open pathway" issues to begin with?

It sounds as though AI would be for those who are truly desperate and suffering despite going to great lengths to treat Lyme.

I'm just curious and interested... not picking a fight [Big Grin]

Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
ping
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 6974

Icon 4 posted      Profile for ping     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lightparfait:
...Six..eft is great...but does not do what the AI will do. AI is permanent...EFT is temporary and tapping is needed regularly for regulation to frequencies to be open....

Although I'd choose PSP (AI) any day over other tx's, something has evidently changed. It's my understanding that PSP (AI) has to be repeated every few years to keep DNA clean / pathways open and is not a one-time, permanent treatment; although the length of treatments, post 1st tx is likely to be much shorter and less involved.

Will have to email the good folks in Germany and find out.

--------------------
ping
"We are more than containers for Lyme"

Posts: 1302 | From Back in TX again | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
sixgoofykids
Moderator
Member # 11141

Icon 1 posted      Profile for sixgoofykids   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Dr. W believes the Bionic to correct regulation. That is an area I don't know anything about, really, but I tend to believe him since that is the primary therapy I used to get well.

I was only saying that EFT helped with the emotional release, I did not imply it was the same as AI.

I believe there are other ways aside from AI ..... I used to have a gluten problem, now I ART test as not having a problem at all. I have not done further EFT since that month or two that I did it over a year ago.

Every person is different and we all have different paths to wellness.

--------------------
sixgoofykids.blogspot.com

Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lightparfait
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 22022

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lightparfait     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I am not trying to convince anyone to do the AI or Core...I just feel so bad for those of you asking for help, knowing what has helped me and others I know and love in my community and my family.

Lyme is not our main problem...its the toxins. Know this. But unfortunately, we cannot get rid of them easily. Many of us have pyruluria (KPU) or other issues that cause our bodies to just accumulate and store toxins...making our immune system unable to do its job!

Our bodies have become genetically modified...for lack of a better phrase...either passed down from our parents, and from what we buy in the food store and what we breath.

This will be better known by the general medical community in the future...but many of us will not wait until then to get better. We are just passing more of a load of toxic burden to the next generation before this will be addressed.

Follow your own path!

But for anyone who "gets it" and feels called to be a pioneer like those doing the AI...and would like some help along the way, while I am still posting I would be glad to give you support with what I know has helped lyme leave my body and life on multiple levels along with depression and anxiety.

Only taking a few drops inder the tongue for two weeks a month...and 2-4 Core caps/day, is far better than the protocols I had been on and not getting better!

And to know I will not be taking anything regular very soon is keeping me focused on the finish line.

blessing and healing to all
lp

Posts: 1009 | From NJ | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
light,

What about Dr K's high success rate with KPU only?

Using The Core minerals without ever doing AI has worked for a lot of people, if what Dr K says is true.

Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
sixgoofykids
Moderator
Member # 11141

Icon 1 posted      Profile for sixgoofykids   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I don't think those doing AI are the only ones who "get it" and the only ones who are pioneers.

--------------------
sixgoofykids.blogspot.com

Posts: 13449 | From Ohio | Registered: Feb 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
NanaDubo
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 14794

Icon 1 posted      Profile for NanaDubo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Cane - I believe the determining factor in DK doing AI himself, is the amazing results he sees with people doing AI. I believe it was said that he had never seen people be able to release so much in the metals department.


Also, I am neither "desperate or suffering". I am antibiotic and lyme free but when I saw my DNA test results, I knew there was deeper work to be done, unrelated to lyme.

With all the chemicals and toxins that bombard us daily, can't be a bad idea to be able to identify them appropriately. Most people do not and that is the idea (one of them) behind AI.

Posts: 1129 | From Maine | Registered: Feb 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
ping
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 6974

Icon 7 posted      Profile for ping     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by NanaDubo:
I believe the determining factor in DK doing AI himself, is the amazing results he sees with people doing AI. I believe it was said that he had never seen people be able to release so much in the metals department.

Hoping that Dr. K. will put this in writing soon. Still, from what I can determine on the AI website and notes to Germany, the tx is NOT permanent and must be performed every few years. In my opinion, it's a good deal.

6GK - You are right. AI'ers are not the only pioneers. Technically, all of us who have battled and those continuing to battle TBD are all pioneers.

It would be so wonderful to have one definitive answer, but, alas, not yet....

Spirits up!

--------------------
ping
"We are more than containers for Lyme"

Posts: 1302 | From Back in TX again | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Nana,

How is AI the only way to get the body to return to identifying toxins, chemicals, etc.

For example... someone, before starting AI, may be gluten intolerant... and after AI they may be able to eat gluten again.

Same can be said for someone who goes on Celiac's and a gut protocol for years.

many are able to eat gluten again. So clearly the body got back on track and was able to identify correctly again.

It's all in the gut. Everything.

You heal that and you got a great shot at health.

Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Keebler
Honored Contributor (25K+ posts)
Member # 12673

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Keebler     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
-
If celiac is genetic, that can be much different than if acquired after infection.
-

Posts: 48021 | From Tree House | Registered: Jul 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Genetic smetic.

The issues in this country are a direct result of our environment... not genetics (imo)

Genetics play such a small factor.

Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
GiGi
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 259

Icon 1 posted      Profile for GiGi         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Dr. K. tells that KPU works, nevertheless most people crash for six months if they really start releasing the stuff. Those were his exact words.
Crash and six months.

I have done AI and am finally releasing, more like dumping toxic heavy metals, chemicals, and releasing any ancestral inheritance and a lot more without crashing - or anything even closely resembling that. I started to move and release metals almost immediately, but wasn't quite sure. I am releasing lead accumulated over a lifetime when we were still breathing the leaded gas everywhere. I feel it, but I don't crash. I am releasing chemicals, I am releasing copper and nickle. I thought of doing KPU and decided not to because I do not test energetically for it. I also did not have any wheat,soy,corn allergy as all others who did AI test. It is my belief and my expert doctor's belief that the wheat/gluten/grain problem is a major contributor.

In fact, the book by Kamsteeg on HPU warns of people doing KPU when gluten is a problem. HPU/KPU is done all over Europe, labs and doctors everywhere.

The major thing I am releasing is metals and mercaptans/thioethers from my jawbone and face, all brought about by toxic root canals and crowns and bridges and fillings of metal alloys that should be planted in a human body. I have tiny areas opening up inside my mouth releasing the stuff. Body finds the shortest route! and I test for Biologo Dental (specific for that) almost constantly.

Different metals and saliva and a bit of EMF is all it takes to take our delicate human system for a wild electromagnetic ride possibly for a lifetime. Add some of the 80,000 chemicals that run our lives to the mix. Now we call it Lyme Disease and bombard the body with years of antibiotics engraving the memory of Lyme Disease into our DNA. I used to be addicted to Lyme - what a relief to get rid of that!

I am very happy that a few who are doing AI are recognizing what is happening to them. It takes guts.

When I first showed my doctor (who hasn't been my doctor for a number of years, but simply a genuine friend) my first hairtest results after a few months of AI, he just about started to drool saying "...and it is so easy". I had no idea that I could possibly be holding on to that much metals. But now I am starting to feel the difference.

Infrared light with nosodes and the Bionic has no lasting effect on DNA regulation. None whatsoever. It may kill a few bacteria, but it arouses everything in the system that the body still needs to deal with - And then YOU have to deal with the fallout and you need to know how! Be prepared -- it is a humdinger.

I was fortunate in my search discovering that there is the Allergie Immune Therapy able to undo (#1) some of the horrible after effects of using photons. Lyme Disease is not made up of only a few borrelia. It is a major multifaceted disease - as most of us know, or at least should know, after trying for years.

Take care.

Posts: 9834 | From Washington State | Registered: Oct 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lightparfait
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 22022

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lightparfait     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Six, I didn't mean that at all ...I am referring to those who "get it", meaning get what I am saying or understand what I am saying or feel led in that direction...sorry if it is interpreted by some that I have the only way...as I do not!

God has your way and I am hoping to be kind to share what I do with interested people and the direction that cleared a path for my healing...that is all. Please do not take offense to that.


Quote: "Follow your own path!

But for anyone who "gets it" and feels called to be a pioneer like those doing the AI...and would like some help along the way, while I am still posting I would be glad to give you support with what I know has helped lyme leave my body and life on multiple levels along with depression and anxiety."

I always say on many posts that there is no cookie cutter approach to healing, and we are all different.

So glad you are healed Six, and finally found an ART dr. for testing, and need no more protocols and are able to help others as well.

I wish the same for all on this board with whatever they choose to do!

I do know that many doing the AI have done the bionic 880 previously and it still was not enough to clear them permanently. It actually created more damage to undo for some! It all depends on your load previous to lyme and your ability to detox.

I just feel blessed not to have to travel to Germany as I had planned, and the "lyme et al" was able to be cleared a much easier and cost effective way for me.


Blessings,
lp

Posts: 1009 | From NJ | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
So we're getting all the sunshine with this AI protocol.... dump some rain on me.

Let me hear it? What are the negatives?

Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Gigi,

So if AI actually allows the body to release MORE metals... how do you get no crash like you claim KPU gives you.


You guys are almost as bad as the Marshall Protocol cult.

Everything is flowers and sunshine on AI. Dump metals and toxins with no side effects! haha

Come on.

But everything else causes 6 months crashes.

Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lightparfait
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 22022

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lightparfait     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Cane,
I believe I answered you in many personal messages you sent me. There are no downsides and no one will regress or have other damage from this therapy. Only progress. Each degree of progress is individual.


But don't expect getting rid of all the other dysregulations or allergies either...things that AI will help do...Core does not do.

Some are just happy to get a little better and feel the 90 or 95% better they are experiencing is enough...and keep those particular protocols going...so be it...and others, like me, want to go all the way, when you know there is a way.

And I dont' have Your way...ask God for direction and you will get it!


I wish you the best in your healing quest, but I can offer no more advice about this...you have it all from me! The rest is on the AI thread in detail...lots of detail and many are kind to give you snippets and summaries so you don't have to read.

But please read and then make your informed decision.

[ 03-06-2010, 08:01 AM: Message edited by: lightparfait ]

Posts: 1009 | From NJ | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
So hypothetically speaking doctors all across the world should be using AI to treat EVERYTHING?


Where can I read about Dr K doing AI?

Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
NanaDubo
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 14794

Icon 1 posted      Profile for NanaDubo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
You can't read about it yet. He always tries things on himself before his patients. I imagine after he has a number of rounds under his belt he will be talking about it.

In my opinion, yes, doctors should be using it but you will not find many doctors who are open to it (yet or at least in this country) - it works and it's inexpensive. Although a friend of mine who is a physician is now on it. Things will change.

No revolving door/no big bucks.

Posts: 1129 | From Maine | Registered: Feb 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
NanaDubo
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 14794

Icon 1 posted      Profile for NanaDubo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
P S

We have hijacked this CORE thread. Future AI stuff should go to that thread.

Posts: 1129 | From Maine | Registered: Feb 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
They go hand in hand [Smile]

And I bumped this thread from like 2 months ago

Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
aliyalex
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 6976

Icon 1 posted      Profile for aliyalex     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
seems timely that i speak up, since i started this thread, if memory serves me... glad that it is useful.

i've been back a week from my 16 hrs at DK's clinic. hrs add up when doing multiple disciplines. the elevator was broken and they had to carry my titanium w/c up and down the stairs.

i can only say what drk told me about me and my situation. i just reviewed my notes. he ART tested my round 2 drops and said they were strong. i asked him about taking them separately and referenced gigi's generously interfacing w/ HG. DK told me for me, it was ok to take the drops along with my rigorous protocol, including KPU. he added that he was taking his with other things and it was working well.

we are all trying to heal and help others while doing that. i started this thread b/c i needed support with Core. i am doubling core in next week. i have to start round 2 of AI and i would like support in following my doctor's orders.

i have a great deal of appreciation toward LN and all the contributors, especially those who are well and still holding the proverbial lantern for us. aliyah

Posts: 830 | From Colorado | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
4Seasons
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 14601

Icon 1 posted      Profile for 4Seasons     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Aliyah - Just wanted to tell you that we just increased my daughter's dosage of the Core from 3 to 4 tablets and she has had a week of really bad chills/fevers and horrible night sweats.

She is exhausted. On the advice of our doc, We are going to back off for a while to give her a rest.

--------------------
"Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain."
Anonymous

Posts: 450 | From California | Registered: Feb 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
4seasons,

Isn't the idea to use a binder at this point?
I think you want those sweats, chills/fevers.

Dr K says it's the immune system waking up.

Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
ping
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 6974

Icon 4 posted      Profile for ping     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
cane - I understand what you're asking and am rather disappointed at some of the vague, or ignored questions/info regarding PSP posted on this thread. Here's my take and I am currently using PSP therapy...

1. "There are no downsides" - Depends on how one defines "downside" or "crash". At least 50% of those taking PSP therapy and posting on the AI thread report severe fatigue to absolute exhaustion for anywhere from about the first 3 to 6 months, plus other issues. You will have to read the thread for yourself in order to make your own determinations regarding the risks (esp. of you're holding down a job away from your home). The original poster of the AI thread, 'ericaf' stopped PSP quickly after beginning the therapy because she couldn't handle the effects of it - "downside", more plainly, "crash". No matter how you define the terms, it qualifies as both.

2. PSP therapy is "permanent" - NO! Even the makers of the therapy recommend it to be repeated in order to keep the DNA as clean as possible and pathways open!

3. There are no permanent damages with PSP therapy. - Nobody really "knows" the answer to this question, I don't care what they say, or what "testimonials" are posted on anyone's website. Take the testimonials with a grain of salt. Anyone can post most anything, anywhere, without any proof of any efficacy whatsoever. However, in my own, personal case , at my age and considering the issues, PSP is worth the risk.

4. PSP is easy - While the application (5 drops/tid) might be easy, the effects of the therapy certainly are not! There are binders and others modalities that best accompany this therapy, or it could kick your rear. (See #1 and read the AI thread.)

5. Dr. K is trying PSP on himself - Fine. This would be a good thing; but until I see HIM put it in writing, it's heresay.

Cane, since I sent you a copy of my original DNA test results, I'll be happy to try to answer your questions as plainly as possible; without wordsmithing, or adding 'sunshine' in places that are truly dark.

[email protected]

Best to you.

[ 03-05-2010, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: ping ]

--------------------
ping
"We are more than containers for Lyme"

Posts: 1302 | From Back in TX again | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
canefan17
Frequent Contributor (5K+ posts)
Member # 22149

Icon 1 posted      Profile for canefan17     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Good info Ping. Thanks
Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
lightparfait
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 22022

Icon 1 posted      Profile for lightparfait     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Ping,

So sorry you are feeling so DARK about my truthful post and are not experiencing the good effects that I am experiencing. I never expect others to respond exactly like me on the therapy...and did not know others were upset that I have had a great response as well as my daughter.

Since you used my words, and wanted to address me ....I will respond.


I have always been honest with you Ping in all you have asked of me over the year.

Why make fun of me and my post now, after all this time? I have been your friend.

Instead of giving response from what you believe others are experiencing and heresay...tell your personal poor experiences with it. Tell us what Dr. K has told you. That would be much more believable and beneficial rather than heresay...or what if's...writing negetive thoughts and emotions.

I am the one posting MINOR issues that came and went, so others will know how to compare and what possible things to expect. None of the odd symptoms I posted were permanent or so bad at all. They were all old things I actually experienced in my medical past. They were just noticeable...and very easy to deal with!

Those more ill, or still on ABX or other therapies have other issues to deal with and have a different experience. Let's all speak for ourselves on this forum please for truth.

Since I give to you...I would have appreciated to know your MAJOR issues, as that would be respected if you really want to help others, and not just take.

Cane, I do not believe I have been vague to you in my several lenghtly PM's as suggested by Ping.
I actually thought I went to excess in my explanations to your sincere questions and have been kind to you. PM me again if you need more from me.

I spend so much time replying to multiple PM's and emails each day...that I give freely from my heart, that most are grateful for my time from lymenet. I do this as others have done this for me. Without them, I would still be very ill...so I hope to give back.

And please Ping and all, go yourself to Dr. K., if his response matters to you and he will tell you what you need to know about him personally...if you really need to know.

I doubt he goes on lymenet...and would have no need to post for you here, especially about his personal medical issues...this would give him a chuckle!

It shouldn't matter to anyone if Dr. K does this or not...especially as most are not even his patients! This is silly.

Anyone can pay to see him as their MD versus getting the knowledge so freely given here by his paying patients or those who have flown to his seminars and freely give his wisdom to those who could not afford to go or travel!

I say, be grateful for the gifts you have been given, rather than throwing them back in the givers face in a negative manner.

Obviously you are trying to accomplish something from your attack on my words...but your best response to Cane...is to tell Cane what you personally experience, not attack my truthful experiences to make me look false. You can PM him that and have avoided letting me know your feeling about my posts.

And ping..PSP therapy is said to be permanent...you may re-acquire the same toxins from new things you are exposed to...but you wont get back exactly what you got rid of...it is gone.


That being said, all of us doing the PSP should know it is a personal experiment for each of us with different issues. I have used the word pioneers in previous posts. Don't understand why now, people dont really understand it, and want the "cookie cutter "cure and reactions with this.

That does not exist.


And more truth, YOU can get lyme again too if you get bit again! It happens sometimes...the same with PSP...at some time you may want to retest and take the therapy again if you show newly acquired toxins and have new symptoms arise in the future...

"The light shines through the darkness and the darkness will not overcome it."

blessings and wisdom to you all.

lightparfait...aka miss sunshine!

[ 03-05-2010, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: lightparfait ]

Posts: 1009 | From NJ | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
aliyalex
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 6976

Icon 1 posted      Profile for aliyalex     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
there is no question to me that struggling the way we do to learn whatever we can, to experiment as we do in this process of healing, can all be very frustrating and downright painful and freightening.

i know for me it takes me to the edge of what i can possibly endure and then throws me over the edge. many times i have had to then decide if i can go any further. this is what i had to face before i chose to return to seattle. i told dr k this and he got my despair and he got my courage. in his caring way, he gave me the best most generous tools in his toolbox.

we all have our own version of facing our illness and/or our loved ones suffering. our frustration can eek out on others. when i do that, it just causes more suffering.

let us remember that we are all on the same side. we want to see people heal. and we want to heal. it is easy to get derailed by the suffering. then we can bring ourselves back to what is true for us.

we are all still here. none of us have thrown ourselves off the edge permanently. let's keep moving forward.

Posts: 830 | From Colorado | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | LymeNet home page | Privacy Statement

Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations. If you would like to support the Network and the LymeNet system of Web services, please send your donations to:

The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey
907 Pebble Creek Court, Pennington, NJ 08534 USA


| Flash Discussion | Support Groups | On-Line Library
Legal Resources | Medical Abstracts | Newsletter | Books
Pictures | Site Search | Links | Help/Questions
About LymeNet | Contact Us

© 1993-2020 The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
Use of the LymeNet Site is subject to Terms and Conditions.