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twinkle
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Has anyone gotten well from taking the K protocol? Did you still have to take abx before or after?

[ 01-18-2010, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: sixgoofykids ]

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There is not a "Dr. K Protocol" per se. He individualizes the treatment to each person. I have been working with him for about four years and have done very well. Some have used antibiotics and others have not. I did. In fact, I used them with his agreement during a portion of my treatment course.

It is an involved treatment approach that requires the treatment of toxicity, emotional trauma, and infections. Infection is not a primary focus, but one of three key areas that a patient must investigate in order to recover their health.

My experience has been that he is one of the most brilliant and caring people I've ever met.

[ 01-18-2010, 10:49 PM: Message edited by: sixgoofykids ]

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Scott, did you wait the 2 years to see him or get in another way?
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Twinkle, yes, I have been well for many years after a few years with Dr. K. I agree with Scott totally. I have not only gotten out from under Lyme, but I have also learned a lot and am still learning every day. The Dr. K. treatment in 1998 looked different than the very streamlined one today, but it still is based on his "The Five Levels of Healing". Lyme is just a fraction of what makes up this chronic ailment called Lyme Disease. I haven't seen anyone get well without addressing everything, starting with cleanup of the terrain, teeth, parasites, and basically in that order. You will find endless information pertaining to all of this on the various Dr. K sites. Finding a good ART or muscle tester is imperative.

Best wishes to you.

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GiGi, how did TF and all her friends get cured then strictly using the Dr. B Tx method? What about all the success stories? Are success stories under Dr. K more long-term than other LLMD's when followed over 10-20 years?
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I've been wanting to address my mercury fillings... but damn that just sounds like more troubl.

Don't they drill them out? Won't metals be flying all over the place? lol

Can't be good.

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canefan - gotta find a dentist that specializes in filling removal. They will use techniques to block reuptake of mercury.
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I'm not complaining so please don't take it as such. However, it was my understanding that we weren't supposed to used doctor's names here on lymenet. It there an exception to this when talking about Dr. K?

Gary

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Seek, You may have to ask the lucky people who got well under other methods. I can only speak for myself. It was tough in 1996, when I got bit, and it is still tough; but oh, oh, oh, have we learned a lot. But also, how do they say? "If you continue doing what you always did, you will get what you always got." I never did the same thing that didn't work again and again. It has been a long learning curve for everybody.

Gary, Dr. K. is spending most of his time teaching other medical professionals. The Institute where he lectures is open to all. I am glad he is not hiding his ideas, but makes them all available to everyone who is looking for information.

Don't you think it's wonderful that we all, everyone of us, has access to all that information? I do and am very grateful for it.
Whether we pay attention to it and do something with it, is up to each one of us. I cannot count all the people this has helped.

Take care.

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GiGi,

Can you explain what an ART or muscle tester is or what it does.

I've tried finding info... but it's way over my head.

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cane
try searching bio-tensor

might be some info there

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Yes Gigi it is great that he teaches other docs to expand the number of those helping people.
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Gigi,
Is it possible to be treated long distance? I am guessing he is a long way from Michigan.

Re: teeth - is that just replacing mercury fillings? By "terrain" do you mean detoxing heavy metals, etc.?

Scott,
I was referring to the 14 pages on the internet of what looked to me like a basic lyme protocol; I liked his approach.

Could you possibly tell me how to get in touch with him or the Institute?

Thanks all for your interesting responses.

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quote:
Originally posted by GiGi:


Gary, Dr. K. is spending most of his time teaching other medical professionals. The Institute where he lectures is open to all. I am glad he is not hiding his ideas, but makes them all available to everyone who is looking for information.

Don't you think it's wonderful that we all, everyone of us, has access to all that information? I do and am very grateful for it.
Whether we pay attention to it and do something with it, is up to each one of us. I cannot count all the people this has helped.

Take care.

GiGi, yes, I think it's wonderful that we all have access to that information. I'm all for it and support it 100%.

It's just that I noticed on occasion when a lyme doctor publishes something, or writes a book, the forum deletes the name of the doctor because of the rules here.

I just wondered if the rules have changed or if an exception is made for Dr. K. Doesn't he still see patients and treat lyme or is he limiting his time to teaching others now?

Regardless, I have no problem seeing his name published in the forum here. I've learned a lot from reading his writings and think we should all get as much exposure to his teachings as possible.

Again, I'm not complaining. Just a little bit confused regarding the rules sometimes when some LLMD's names are allowed to be posted and others aren't.

Like I said, I support having his name out there and am grateful for the tremendous contribution he's made to the lyme community. Wish we had more doctors like him working as hard as he is to help find answers to this horrible disease.

Gary

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quote:
Originally posted by gwb:
I'm not complaining so please don't take it as such. However, it was my understanding that we weren't supposed to used doctor's names here on lymenet. It there an exception to this when talking about Dr. K?

Gary

Gary, doctors names are not allowed to be used on the board. If a doctor's name remains, it's because no one reported the post. There is a button under each post that says "report post" .... please click on that button if a doctor's name is used. We don't read everything posted on the board, but we do read every reported post.

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I really didn't mean to stir up any controversy about this. Just wanted some clarification. I don't feel any need to "report post" as I'm not complaining about it.

Maybe there are times when exceptions should be made and perhaps this is one of them.

I'm cool with it. : )

Gary

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http://www.klinghardtneurobiology.com
Appts: http://www.klinghardtneurobiology.com/appt.pdf

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Scott, thanks for the web address. I am reading the info now.
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Oh I'm sure Dr. K has no problems with his name being known. He advertises himself, or maybe more accurate to say his prorgrams,
EVERYWHERE!! [Smile]

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Twinkle, your questions --

Gigi,
Is it possible to be treated long distance? I am guessing he is a long way from Michigan.

If you are able to get in with any of the good ART practitioners who follow Dr. K's regimen, after a first visit, a lot can be done at a distance after an extensive first visit. Some people come 2-3 times a year.

I have found that even though it is more expensive to do it several times a year, in the long run, it is a lot easier on the pocketbook.

The treatment that is now being done has been so streamlined, the protocol now is on the emphasis of cleanup, body and home (mold), amalgams gone, and metal detox starting, parasites treated in different segments, at that point Lyme pathogens are much easier to get under control because they have lost their feeding ground.

KPU is done early on, and if I had to do it all over again, I would pay first attention to doing Allergie Immun and correcting the errors (allergies) in the DNA. Unless that is done and food allergies and the hundred of other allergies corrected/ brought under control, I don't think one stands a chance to get rid of any of the toxins that have plaqued the system. If the body does not recognize a toxin, it cannot get rid of it. It gets stuffed away in some other body compartment burdening the body even more.

Re: teeth - is that just replacing mercury fillings? By "terrain" do you mean detoxing heavy metals, etc.?

Yes, to replacing mercury fillings, as well as addressing any possible dental infections and root canals. Terrain - mercury and other toxins, and also addressing mold if that is a problem. Many people suffer as much from mold as from toxic metals. Parasites are treated early on because they hold on to toxic metals.

In order to detox anything, biofilm has to be addressed. All that is done pretty much together now, but keeping a certain order to it.

So much simpler than when I struggled through it,
i.e. it works better this way and and this has to be out of the way, before that can work ----before he had it all figured out - how the components to this chronic disease all fit together; how to approach it to get results, without putting the cart before the horse. Priorities have to be established.

The only way to get the infections under control is to make it less inviting for them, blow some oxygen in there = changing the ecosystem.

I hope you find someone you can truly help you, hopefully aware of Dr. K.'s way. It takes the full cooperation of the patient.

They do exist. Just look for them.

Take care.

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quote:
Originally posted by twinkle:
Has anyone gotten well from taking the K protocol? Did you still have to take abx before or after?

I've tried this "protocol" (it is individualized) for ca. 6 months and it didn't help me.

Dr. K uses a lot of "energetic medicine" sometimes with things like tapping, that I cannot understand how people can believe it.
Check out this example of what tapping is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRq8RRpuD1I

So - my fear is that it's very ineffective treatment. Lymenet has more than 15 000 users and you can see mainly 3 users who says it has helped them.

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And it does take longer than six months, Tosho.
That is reality.

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I wish there were more users who had actual testimonials of success under Dr. K too. It would be nice to see a big picture. I was assuming he's got a 90%+ cure rate.
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I too am grateful for all the information that is available to us. If anyone is out there looking for the "cure", you may never find what you are looking for. The next guy might be one of the lucky ones.

To see the big picture one must open their hearts and minds to their own opportuntiy of healing.

That's healing in any degree. I am happy with each year (I've been at this illness for 10 yrs), with success stories and frustration stories.

If it was so easy.....we certainly wouldn't be here, years later still looking for the next piece of the puzzle.

I've learned it's not just a big picture, but a truly complex puzzle that can only be put back together one piece at a time.

I've learned patience through all of this. Even Gigi learns something new each year and each step of the way. She's learned it through herself, her husbands illness, many ill friends and the good fortune of having Dr K along the way.

After all Dr K is not GOD. He's also learning. Thank God he also teaches.

Pam

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GiGi,
Thank you so much for taking the time to be so helpful! I think I know an LLMD who might work with Dr, K and who does detoxing not too far away. I will definitely look into this.

Just a few quick questions if you don't mind:

What is KPU, ART, and Allergie Immun?

How does one find out all the allergies a person has? I have seen a good allergist lately who says I have only a very slight allergy to mold. I know I am lactose intolerant.

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Gigi
I am now in the process of reading the allergie immun thread where you tell us all about it.

I will look for ART and KPU there so you don't have to repeat yourself!

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