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Hoosiers51
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On Quinine/Clindamycin, I have been getting this INSANE headaches. They would probably be classified as migraines.

They are all over the head, and it hurts worse when I move around.

I have found the ibuprofen helps A LOT, surprisingly.

But I'm wondering....if this is a herx, would taking an NSAID like ibuprofen be counter-productive to my body trying to fight off and kill the infection?

Do I want the inflammation there, or not? Ibuprofen reduces inflammation. But I think something like Tylenol works in a different way, so I dunno if I should be taking that instead.

If a lot of killing is going on, the last thing I want to do is slow it down, honestly, because it probably won't be long until the babs is resistant to these drugs.

I'm pretty sure it's okay to be taking the ibuprofen, but just making sure. Thank you.

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merrygirl
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my opinion is that it is ok. that is not based on anything just my experience. lol.

no sense suffering!

melissa

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I am on Biaxin right now and for the past week I have been having headaches from h**l...

I also have another neuro. condition that causes very bad pressure headaches but I think these headaches are from a herx cuz I feel like crap as well.

Like you described..can't even move my head without pain...pain behind my eyes - wake up with them, try to get through the day with them and go to sleep with them.

Advil helps me more then Tylenol and IMO I do not think that it will effect your herx/healing process at all.

So it is an anti-inflam and Tylenol is not but I do not see that as being a problem.

One of the problems I get with Tylenol is bad re-bound headaches - which you can also get with Advil..

If it is a herx, you are still killing off those blood suckers and Advil is not going to stop that from happening - it will just help with the pain and help you to get through it. Like merrygirl said...no sense suffering!

Just my two cents....

BTW....I find soft ice packs to do wonders for my headaches. I also have frozen eye gel masks that help with the eye pain. Temporary, but helps take the edge off.

Hope you feel better soon... TG

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I've been on rifampin the last 3 weeks and also having bad headaches. I've realized that ibuprofen and combo with chorella have helped. Chorella 10/2-3 times a day.

Inflammation from abx attacking bart in the brain. Toxic releases helped with focus on detoxing any way you can.

The great thing about the rifampin has been it's really got my GI tract going, going and going. No not diarreha. Productive BM. Party!!!!!!!

A great help with detoxing.

Pam

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Thank you!
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Ibuprofen can be very hard on kidneys.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/16/us/kidney-peril-found-in-the-pain-reliever-ibuprofen.html


Kidney Peril Found in the Pain Reliever Ibuprofen - The New York Times

Excerpt:

. . . gave participants above-normal doses of 800 milligrams of ibuprofen three times a day - the equivalent of 12 ibuprofen tablets - for up to 11 days.


After eight days, three women developed kidney failure, which reversed when ibuprofen was discontinued. The remaining nine women, who received ibuprofen for 11 days, showed changes in kidney function but did not develop kidney failure.

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http://abcnews.go.com/Health/PainNews/story?id=7699582&page=1


FDA Group Issues Cautions on Acetaminophen . . .


By DAN CHILDS and LAUREN COX
ABC News Medical Unit
May 28, 2009--

When Antonio Benedi of Springfield, Va., felt a case of the flu coming on one weekend in February 1993, he did what millions of others do -- he reached for a common over-the-counter pain medication.


"I was taking Tylenol like I was supposed to, by the label," he said. A few days later the then 37-year-old Benedi was in a coma and in desperate need of a liver transplant.

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Magnesium and curcumin are very helpful for reducing pain and inflammation. Too much magnesium can also be hard on kidneys but lyme patients are very often severely deficient in magnesium.

Dehydration can also contribute to headaches. In addition to plenty of water, minerals and electrolytes can also help.

For more serious pain, corydalis has a good track record.

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Keebler
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CORYDALIS
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http://www.itmonline.org/arts/pain.htm

SIMPLE TRADITIONAL FORMULAS FOR PAIN

Shixiao San, Jin Lingzi San, Liang Fu Wan, and Baishao Gancao Tang

by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D., Director, Institute for Traditional Medicine, Portland, Oregon

excerpt:

. . . Corydalis is added "to increase the pain-relieving effects of this prescription."

To compare Shixiao San and Jin Lingzi San, it is helpful to examine two of the main ingredients. Yang Yifan (9) compares corydalis to trogopterus (wulingzhi):

Corydalis and trogopterus enter the liver and spleen meridians. Both are able to promote blood circulation and remove congealed blood. They are very effective for relieving pain.

- Full article at link above.

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http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/diseases/the-nervous-systembrain-nerves-and-mind.html

excerpt:

* Herbs such as . . . corydalis rhizome (Corydalis yanhusuo) reduce pain by binding to opiate receptors (Stansbury, 1999).

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

PubMed Search:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

PubMed Search:

Corydalis - 285 abstracts

Corydalis, pain - 8 abstracts

Corydalis, liver - 4 abstracts

Corydalis, inflammation - 3 abstracts (one lead to Curcumin)

Hypomagnesemia, pain - 32 abstracts


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This is an excellent formula, intended for use before going to bed (follow instructions and caution with driving until you get used to it. Do not mix with sedative or alcohol).

This is also part of a lyme protocol.


http://www.hepapro.com/hepapro_product.htm

See #28 - HerbSom

Ingredients; Corydalis root, jujube seeds and Schisandra fruit.

Jujube is also called zizyphus. Schisandra is also spelled schizandra. Both can be searched at PubMed and at The One Earth Herbal Sourcebook ( http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com )

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In my experience, Corydalis makes me sleepy. Curcumin does not.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

PubMed Search:

Curcumin - 3179 abstracts

Curcumin, inflammation - 291 abstracts

Curcumin, pain - 25 abstracts

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http://tinyurl.com/y8bd9k2

CURCUMIN Prevents Some Stress-Related Changes (Endocrine & Neuro)


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http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?ProdID=art2619&zTYPE=2

Headache Control: Three Key Nutrients Reduce Intensity and Frequency of a Common Problem

By Eric Hassid, MD

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http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?ProdID=art1220&zTYPE=2

Coenzyme Q10 May Stop Migraines

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I have had insane pain, so feel qualified to say without Ibuprofen I'd likely not be here right now, I am not kidding. No narcotic med even touched my pain.

Ibuprofen is harsh on the stomach, so if you do it prolonged like I have you must use a PPI to protect against H.pylori - which I ended up getting as soon as I quit using the PPI (Nexium, Prevacid, Prilosec, etc.)

I simply have no choice, Ibuprofen in large doses, will be a part of my symptom relief every single day until this is over. I am thankful for it.

My doctor's only worry about my stomach and work hard to protect it. Otherwise they say it is fine.

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