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GloriaP
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EDIT- See note below.

[ 01-31-2010, 04:26 AM: Message edited by: Anna Lee ]

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Thanks for the info!! I'm concerned about a friend who takes this. I think she is self treating... but don't you have to have a prescription for it??

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You are suppose to get your blood checked VERY often when taking this med.
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Isn't that the stuff in Meth? I would be very careful. I thought it was outlawed due to birth defects.

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Whew. I hope I still have her phone number in my cell phone. She says it's very low dose, but I was concerned. She seems spacey and has difficulty making decisions and comprehending things.

Of course, this could be from Lyme.

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Very LOW dose Lithium Orotate has actually been tremendously helpful for many neurolyme patients.

The TYPE the DOSE, makes all the difference as dose the combined mix of all Rx and supplements.

Lithium Orotate is not at all outlawed but best if prescribed by a good LL ND (naturopathic doctor) or another LL professional with education and experience.

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Well, as for drug interaction, that would be up to the individual and their doctor. Of course, that's the homework to be done with everything. Too many people out there are taking all sorts of things that don't mix and some even wash it all down with a beer. But we have to leave it up to each person to think for oneself. Mistakes happen but so does learning.

I did not see a direct link for the "worst pills" list but I never believe any one single article. I like to read from a variety of sources and compare notes.

If you have a direct link for that Worst Pills, I'd like to see it. I don't register at lyme friends because it's too complicated and I don't want to give out so much personal information to be on a site.

I don't take many drugs, at all. Right now, I'm taking zero pharmaceuticals so I don't often pay much attention to the worst drugs list. On the other hand, I've had such horrible problems from many different antidepressants in the past and I think so many of those are very dangerous.

I also think some of the OTC products are also dangerous. So, I'm probably not the right person to ask thoughts about any list. Behind each list can also be lots of political dealings.

I went to search Lithium Orotate at PubMed and the first abstract was about toxicity in a woman who took EIGHTEEN PILLS at once. Well, that's just stupid. And that's what makes the headlines. All out of context.

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I think I found the original link (is that it, below?).

http://www.worstpills.org/includes/page.cfm?op_id=484

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It's not really a list, just about Lithium carbonate, not orotate.

The article seems correct. True, it can be toxic. Again, though, it's all about the type and the dose and individual reaction. I see nothing new. If everyone would always read about this, they would know that.

But, about 14 years ago when I was having very bad reactions to all the antidepressants that were poisoning my brain - but pushed to try one after another, or in combination - AND just before I had finally been dx with 3 severe and long-term tick infections, one rheumatolgist declared me "bi-polar" just because I was insisting they find out why I was falling all the time.

I was crying and depressed, sure. I was also very animated in my desire to find out the cause. So that energy and the depression had him declare me bi-polar.

I was put on litium carbonate. I reacted terribly at the dose they tried to get me up to. Even at lower doses, I had tremors and felt awful. I got worse, much to the surprise of the shrink who'd never seen anyone get worse with it (well, guess he knew nothing about lyme).

So, after a lot of time trying to tolerate it, I got off it. It would be about another year before the TBD were dx. Also about that time, I realized that none of the drugs for mood help and, in fact, they all were very dangerous for me.

I did so much better on naturopathic formula. I thought the ND I found knew more about lyme than he did but, at time, was my only chance. No LLMDs in my state, etc.

Years later, I tried litium orotate and I did not do well with it - for me, it just wasn't right. However, I have know of other lyme patients who did very well. So, as with all things, individual results may vary.

But an article about lithium carbonate's toxicity is all fine and good. Everyone should know about different forms and safe levels and translate that to all things that go into their mouths.
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Oh, I take so long to compose, you wrote the post above while I was writing the one above that.

Yeah, they look good. What they say is good education for everyone but what they wrote is nothing new at all. Anyone taking it should know that it can be toxic in the wrong dose.

The article conveyed nothing new - and nothing alarming - just basic education.

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http://www.vrp.com/ArticlesSearch.aspx?k=Lithium_Orotate

Search: Lithium Orotate - 12 articles with good citations from reputable sources

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If you have been instructed to take this and don't want to, you don't have to.

For others, they can educate themselves as to the pros and cons - with all things considered. The 12 articles each offer a well-rounded look at this but it's still just a start to one's personal research.

This has been very helpful for many. I'm sure they've done their homework.

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( I didnt get it from lyme friends--havent ever joined there---another lymie from my state sent it from a new site he joined--Lymegate--do you know that one?)

Please do not violate copyright laws by copying posts from LymeFriends and LymeGate and putting them on LymeNet. They are private (members only) web sites. Thank you. AL

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