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MazzyStar
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Just curious...cause I love my cereal in the morning. Why do people give up dairy when they have lyme?

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MariaA
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lactose is a sugar that's found in milk- so if you're trying to be on a really strict no-sugar diet, that might be somethign to look into restricting
a significant of people are also allergic to either lactose or casein, a protein in milk, or some other aspect of milk. If you have major gut issues due to Lyme, you might try cutting out milk and other common allergens for a while to see if it helps, but there's not a consensus on this.

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Eating any type of Dairy while taking Doxi
make the Doxi Not effective --Jay

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Have you tried any of the milk alternatives? Maybe that could be an option for you. I have been using oat milk and I like it. I also like soy milk but I try to stay away from soy since that can be a problem for some people as well. There are a bunch of others too like rice milk, almond milk, coconut milk etc.

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Giving up milk was a choice I made because I believe it made me feel weirder, no LLMd said I had to. I have not given up other dairy, cheese, cottage cheese, yogurt, etc.

Also gave up gluten on my own, which can cause symptoms in some than mimic Lyme.

Rice milk I am liking and getting use to as an alternative.

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Dairy is inflammatory

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quote:
Originally posted by groovy2:
Eating any type of Dairy while taking Doxi
make the Doxi Not effective --Jay

I thought dairy just had to be spaced out a few hours away from doxy. Is this incorrect?

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I don't eat dairy due to intolerance and allergy to it. My sinuses get all ****ed off when I consume any dairy.

If these things were not a problem my LLMD said it would be okay to eat it as long as it was spaced out enough between abx.'s.

Be sure to read the labels very careful because dairy is found in alot of bread products - gluten free and otherwise. TG

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jennie,

yes, that is my understanding, no dairy 2 hrs before or after taking doxi or tetracyline

if you take it 3 times per day that can be tricky but you can still have it

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The information I got with my doxy said no dairy 2 hours before or after.

I keep forgetting and making mistakes with that, though--I love cheese, milk and butter. I rarely drink milk any more because I can't have it with breakfast or dinner, and it is awkward to carry to work with me for lunch.

Sometimes I make a cup of cocoa with stevia in the evening, 2 hrs. after taking my doxy.

My mistakes tend to be eating foods that have cheese in them at breakfast or dinner. Trying to plan better and work that out.

When my LLMD gave me the prescription for doxy and I asked him whether I could have dairy with it, he told me not to worry about that. I was surprised, but I think I heard somewhere that there is a brand of doxy that is okay with dairy? Or maybe the effect is not so extreme as we think? I don't know.

But if there is a brand that is okay with dairy, it's not the one I'm on because the pharmacy info clearly says not to eat dairy at the same time.

My understanding is that it can attach to the calcium in your digestive tract and therefore not be available to kill bacteria.

THAT makes me wonder whether it is safe to eat it with broccoli, almonds, and other foods with calcium in them, but I have never heard any concern except with dairy.

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For me it is because when I am on abx, I get yeast issues as do lots of people so I am on the Anti-Candida diet which restricts dairy.

Try putting Almond Milk in your cereal and you can sweeten it with Stevia since it is very bland. Also, make sure your cereal doesn't have tons of sugar.

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I'm on the anti-candida diet and am taking doxy. The diet limits dairy but says certain types are ok - for example, yogurt and kefir.

I have a similar question: are yogurt, kefir etc. ok in general while on abx? What about 2 hrs before or after?

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My LLMD told me to avoid allergenic foods like dairy, gluten, soy, sugar, etc.

I use rice milk occasionally.

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Phlegm. Mucous. Not just in the throat or sinuses but all over through the digestive tract.

Even in those without lyme, milk will produce a phlegm in the throat. I recall in college with singing with the choir that our director forbade all of us from having milk for the full day before and day of the concerts - and also on days of practice.

That thin layer of phlegm can be a breeding ground for germs and cause inflammation (leading to body pain all over). The thicker it gets - or if one has sensitivities - the it can cause more mucous and all germs really love that as a cocoon to breed.

So, avoiding dairy is best to avoid phlegm. Phlegm in the gut also causes lots of problems and retards circulation need there.

As Dedrator says, other foods, too, cause lyme patients problems. Most LLMDs strongly advise a gluten-free diet. Some LLMDs insist upon it.

Also, some patients need to avoid corn, or soy.

Inner ear patients are usually instructed to avoid: dairy, gluten, soy, corn.
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[ 02-20-2010, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]

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Yep, inflammatory, yeast-growing, mucous-forming junk!

Those who are gluten intolerant are often sensitive to dairy, soy, and corn as well.

Cereal also feeds yeast. Double whammy.

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You can read customer reviews at Amazon but you'd have to obtain it elsewhere. Your local bookstore may have it or order it for you - and it should be in the library system.


http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Drink-Your-Milk-Frightening/dp/0945383347

DON'T DRINK YOUR MILK!: New Frightening Medical Facts about the World's Most Overrated Nutrient

-by Frank Oski, M.D. (1992)

The author . . . the former physician-in-chief of John Hopkins Children's Center and Professor and Chairman of the Department of Pediatrics at John Hopkins University School of Medicine.

Excerpts from one review:

. . . Among physicians, so much concern has been voiced about the potential hazards of cow milk that the Committee on Nutrition of the prestigious American Academy of Pediatrics, the institutional voice of practicing pediatricians, released a report entitled, "Should Milk Drinking by Children Be Discouraged?"

Although the Academy's answer to this question has (as of this writing) been a qualified "maybe," the fact that the question was raised at all is testimony to the growing concern about this product, which for so long was viewed as sacred as the proverbial goodness of mother and apple pie.

Does drinking milk help prevent osteoporosis because of the calcium it contains? Chapter 6 deals with that topic.

Strange as it may sound, both Africans and African-Americans consume less calcium and milk, and yet have greater bone density and less osteoporosis than Caucasians in America. While Americans get 807 mg. of calcium each day from drinking milk, the average citizen of Ghana gets but 8 mg.

As Dr. Oski points out, this low amount has made them "neither toothless nor lying about immobilized because of repeated bone fractures" (p. 50). . . .

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I must have given away my copy of this book (so I can't point out the passage) but I distinctly recall the author's thinking that milk also sort of "gums up" our immune system, disabling it. I do believe he equated milk as "glue" to the immune system - and not in a good way.

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If you have hand blender, you can make your own almond milk (or any kind of "nut" milk) and then you have some almond paste to put in with Quinoa or a soup.

Soak almonds overnight in a glass container with filtered water.

Rinse. Add 1 cup almonds to about 2 cups filtered water in a tall container and blend with hand (or immersion) blender.

Drain through a good sieve or medium-meshed strainer. Push it on down to extract as much liquid as you can.

You can store the left over "paste" for a few days in the fridge (or freeze it for later use in cooking).

As for the water to almond ratio, it takes some time to figure that out.

A very good counter top blender may also work but I don't have one. A "VitaMix" would be ideal, I hear. My food processor did not. It could not get the almonds ground fine enough.

Trying to reconstitute from almond meal will not work.

If you have stronger people around, I suggest asking them to hold the blender - and for everyone, please wear ear plugs or muffs to protect your ears.

The best immersion blender (and the quietest) that I've found is Viking Professional (I got from Sur La Table a few years ago). Even with major carpal tunnel, I do okay with this about once a week because it has a better ergonomic design than others I've had in the past.

If purchasing one, at the store where you compare, ask them to let you plug them in - to hear them and also to feel how they would work for you. It should be well insulated so your hand takes less vibration.

Walnuts and pecans are easier on the hands as they are softer than almonds. A note, though, some with certain strains of herpes viruses are instructed to avoid nuts. For people who get canker sores, too, nuts may not work so well for them.
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Haven't put any diet restrictions on my now 7 year old, LLMD never mentioned it. And he seems to be getting better regardless.

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Very interesting.

I have had problems with sinus, phlegm, and mucous for years. I had no idea it could be associated with dairy products.

Thanks,
Karen (:

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