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My PCP is willing to work with me and mostly any specialist (except llmd) is covered my insurance plan.
What M.D. checks for porphyria? My PCP admits he is not knowledgeable enough. thanks.
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- First, think back to your biological relatives. If any were sensitive to medicines, trouble processing alcohol or red meat, GI troubles &/or mood swings when the GI stuff would hit hard . . . those are clues for a possible genetic type.
There are many kinds of porphyria and various levels, too. Gentic porphyrias are seen as a liver disease. Acquired (or secondary) porphyria is not a well-accepted idea by some liver specialists, so be aware of that.
A LIVER SPECIALIST sent my tests to Mayo years ago. But you need one specifically knowledgeable. Few are. Also know that no porphyria test can rule it out. Unless you are having an acute attack at the time, the tests can look fine.
It is not enough to test just urine. And, when so, special methods much be employed. However, not all porphyrias show up with a urine test. Blood and stool collection also must both be tested.
However, one LLMD is seeing a high percentage of lyme patients with one kind of porphyria, KPU (or HPU) and that is one for which a urine test can work. Mine two kinds of genetic porphyria would not test with just urine alone, so don't assume that lyme patients would have only one type, it can be any kind, it's just that KPU/HPU is a good place to begin.
For testing with regular procedures, with lyme, our tests may be elevated but not off the charts. Most liver doctors who work with porphyria want to see the numbers off the charts.
You need someone to understand the significance of even "just" elevated porphryins. I'm glad the liver doctor I went to did, but others who looked at his write up just went running out of the room, discounting his work-up on me.
A doctor who works with MCS would be likely to know more. I'll post a link about that, too. Most who have porphyria also have MCS, multiple chemical sensitivities.
I'm glad you have a PCP willing to work with you.
You can read more about testing and connect with some doctors through these sites. You can also call them with questions but they may not be familiar with the concept of secondary porphyria :
Topic: Porphyria (discussion thread - as relating to lyme)
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KPU (Kryptopyrroluria) is just ONE type of porphryia that seems to have importance regarding patients with lyme, autism and those who have issues with heavy metals:
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- After reading the article on "Secondary Porphyria" it's good to consider the elements of a herx (posted below). Whether a genetic porphyria is present or not, elevated porphyrins can make anyone miserable.
And that is why all the push for LIVER SUPPORT. It helps the liver go through stressful times and that, in turn, can help keep porphryins from reaching dangerous levels.
The liver can be damaged by lyme and other infections (and even by medications) so that is why liver support is so vital (i.e. Milk Thisle). You can attend to liver support and even measures to keep porphyrins down without actually being tested. Beta Carotene is the number one helper.
If you have a genetic porphyria, though, it would be important to know but tests can be very tricky.
The Herxheimer reaction (also known as Jarisch-Herxheimer or Herx) occurs when large quantities of toxins are released into the body as bacteria (typically Spirochetal bacteria) die, due to antibiotic treatment or rapid detoxification.
Typically the death of these bacteria and the associated release of endotoxins occurs faster than the body can remove the toxins via the natural detoxification process performed by the kidneys and liver.
It is manifested by fever, chills, headache, myalgia (muscle pain), and exacerbation of skin lesions.
Duration in syphilis is normally only a few hours but can be much longer, up to months or years, for other diseases, especially Lyme Disease. The intensity of the reaction reflects the intensity of inflammation present.
The Herxheimer reaction has shown an increase in inflammatory cytokines during the period of exacerbation, including tumor necrosis factor alpha, interleukin-6 and interleukin-8.[1][2]
The reaction is also seen in other diseases, such as borreliosis (Lyme disease[3][4] and tick-borne relapsing fever[5]), bartonellosis, brucellosis, typhoid fever, Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, and trichinellosis, Q fever, and cat scratch disease.[6][7]
Please save all links and notes above to a file on your computer for reference. Good luck. -
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- Because lyme is just so very toxic, that is why it may cause a rise in porphyrins for many patients. This article may help shine some light on the toxicity connection:
From the Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients, February/March 2006
BIOCHEMISTRY OF LYME DISEASE: BORRELIA BURGDORFERI SPIROCHETE / CYST
by Prof. Robert W. Bradford and Henry W. Allen
EXCERPTS: . . .
A discovery of great importance relating to a toxin produced by the causative agent of Lyme disease, Borrelia burgdorferi, has been linked to a similar toxin produced by the organism Clostridium botulinum (botulism). . . .
[extensive explanation of:]
* Lyme Disease Toxin . . .
* Action of Toxin . . .
* Dietary Supplements in Lyme Disease . . .
. . . .
- Full article and great photos at link above.
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NOTE OF CAUTION: While this is an excellent article regarding the information about the spirochete/cyst, there is one serious caution with one of the treatments suggested: Bismuth.
Bismuth, in various forms or methods of use, can (and has been) fatal. So, cross that off your list. If you download the article, please copy and paste this note to top your page.
Reading - and learning - about the nature of this infection is invaluable. The authors offer much in that regard, I just wish they'd adequately cautioned bismuth.
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This site details some of Jerigan's work discussed in the article above. Many lyme patients have seen some success with some of the methods here:
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- There is also another similar matter to consider: Methylation
TerryK has great detail on that. I need to rest but will be back to post some of her links about that - or, hopefully, others will be along to post the Amy Yasko links - or just search by her name. She is a doctor who works with liver issues. Not sure if an ND or MD but her name should bring up a link if you cross search with the term "Methylation " -
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Keebler I think you knnow more than all my doctors combined.
I'll check out all your links and probably print some of the articles for my doctor. Looks like I'll have to start educating myself more too!
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Its a simple urine test...you can get it done yourself. I forget the labs name, but I think Scott , www.betterhealthguy.com has the labs posted on his site I heard and some info on it. Look for his KPU talk at Lymelighters...it has very easy to understand info.
You can print it out and take it to your MD or fax it the him...and see if he will run the test for you.
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- Urine tests are not adequate for all kinds of porphyria - only for a few. While urine and KPU/HPU maybe be a good place to start, to diagnose other types of porphyria requires testing of blood and/or stool. More at the organizational links above.
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KPU (Kryptopyrroluria) is just one consideration in the neighborhood of porphyria that seems to have importance regarding patients with lyme, autism and those who have issues with heavy metals:
In addition to the link posted by lymeparfait, this will take you right to Scott's KPU article: ----------------------
While the KPU test can be very helpful, the urine test does not test for all kinds of porphyria. Still, it's a good place to start - and it can save you lots of hassles.
Just because one kind of porphyria is found, though, that does not mean a patient may not have another kind - a kind that blood or stool would be needed for testing. If you suspect genetic porphyria, be sure to look at the big picture.
However, if one is dx with KPU/HPU and deals with that, the measures will also result in lowering porphyrins all the way around so that any other kinds of porphyria that might also be involved would also be less likely to rev. -
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- Just as important as avoiding drugs on the porphyria "unsafe" list are avoiding those on the Ototoxic lists - and they are often the same drugs. Generally, if a drug is toxic to the ears, it will also be toxic to the liver &/or kidneys.
There are at least 743 drugs that are known to be ototoxic. Here are just 84 of them:
Here are links to some of the sites that sell plant stem cells.
This is [TerryK's] first choice for plant stem cell therapy. The company is called Plant Stem Cell Nutrition (PSC). They make full plant extracts, not diluted. Apparently this makes them very powerful. These are only available through practitioners.
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My mother has GI/FMS/CFS.IBS issues- a strange rash on her neck that never goes away-sensitive to alchol etc etc- I'm guessing she has porphyria-
I've had horrific reactions"herx"s to first some herbs for lyme and now my first heavy duty pharmecuticals in over 12 years- and in hell now /life is not bearable as a result-I'm also chemically sensitive-
Question is= can porph's treat for lyme ? or will the drugs/herbs etc. just aggravate the porph sending into an autoimmune cascade /like I'm in now?
I also test IGG positive for CVM,CPN, HHV6, mycoplasma pneu., and active EBV. I show liver phase I/II detox issues-- and also have some defect/2 enzymes on a methylation/b12 test that indicates I may not absorb 12-
As a result of taking a few drugs and downward spiral in November- I now have severe neuro symptoms-numbness everywhere almost, jerking, twitiching total insomnia,unberable nerve pain and stuff going on in head/brain/eyes, gait, balance, coordination, burning etc etc etc ( I did not have 90% of this in november before my crash-altough I had some symptoms and was declining)
Are there others out there like me with chemical sensitivites and all these other issues that have treated successfully with abx? I'm terrified given the cascade the drugs put me in (flagyl/diflucan fungal cleanse-hairbrain idea of mine not by doctor-autism docs use this).
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Also drugs interfere with my sleep cycle-I totally stopped sleeping 5 nonths ago and sleep meds are working-forgot to add that-wondering if porphs also have sleep issues> my sleep cycle has been very sensitive my entire life.
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- f13girl,
"Question is= can porph's treat for lyme ? "
Absolutely. Infections MUST be addressed or porphyria will be much worse.
A: "Are there others out there like me with chemical sensitivites and all these other issues that have treated successfully with abx?"
Absolutely. Many lyme patients have MCS. MCS often clears when the infections are adequately addressed.
However, treating lyme is MUCH more than just addressing infection. HEAVY METALS must also be addressed. LIVER SUPPORT and ADRENAL SUPPORT are also key to successful treatment and safety.
See the Klinghardt radio interview in the complementary list below. Listen to that first.
f13girl, it's best to consult an ILADS-educated LLMD. No one can possibly know enough to offer you specific advice for how to proceed.
Sleep drugs are especially hard on the liver. So is acetaminophen. There are other choices.
I see that you posted this in a recent thread:
"Does Dr. H have experience with patients like myself? Have an app't with him for May 5. "
Good. I'm glad to see you have a good LLMD. I hope this works out well. You might also ask if he knows of a good LL ND (naturopathic doctor) or LL L.Ac. (acupuncturist) as either would have years of formal education in the field of herbal medicines and nutritional supplements.
At least, be sure to ask Dr. H. for a list of suggested readings so that you will better understand the path ahead.
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- f13girl,
Links here to information and bulletin boards for some of the other infections you mentioned. Be sure to take all those tests with you to the LLMD for your appointment on Wednesday.
I would encourage EVERY person who has received a lyme diagnosis to get the following tests.
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- This set compares and contrasts the work of authors regarding complementary methods.
Most incorporate allopathic with naturopathic but, of course, each patient would be treated according to his or her own situation. This set is just for reference. Then discussion with one's LLMD can take off from here.
It is not a complete list but one that is fairly representative. (Cowden protocol is another whole area that can be found easily with a Google search and with a search of the archives for past threads.) --------------------------
Book: Lyme Disease and Rife Machines by Bryan Rosner
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Also look at YouTube for videos about RIFE. -
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- Glucose is an emergency treatment during a porphyria attack. In some cases, a glucose IV is necessary and it can save a life.
For times not quite that serious, Beta Carotene is also an emergency treatment for porphyria attacks (and helps to prevent them). Greens powders have lots of beta carotene. There are many on the market and I'm sure I've tried them all. Green Vibrance has worked the best for me.
Green Vibrance comes in a canister but also in very nice single serving packets. Just add to water. This stuff has saved my life many times, too. I cannot recommend it highly enough.
However, anyone with any kind of porphyria should consult their doctor as to if this would be enough to pull them out of an emergency -- or for on-going management to keep porphyrins at a manageable level to prevent emergency.
It should be excellent for rehydration. The ingredients in this are fantastic and most are organic. It has enzymes, probiotics and liver support herbs, too.
If you think of using sauna, make certain you do not fall into AI category - allergic to most stirred up toxins at DNA level and that you do not fall into the KPU category before you start mobilizing.
Majority of Parkinsons, ALS, MS have a problem with KPU and detoxing is totally inadequate and miserable and causing further damage if body cannot regulate any longer and the Autonomic Nervous system has all but collapsed.
Don't do it - you are damaging yourself. The majority of Lyme patients have both problems - Dysregulations/Allergies plus Leaky Gut and Krytopyluria aka KPU/HPU.
Dr. K. used to own a sauna. I know he has not used it in many years. Quotations from seminars should not be taken out of context. To everything he says, the words, "under certain conditions" should always be added.
Sauna and most detox efforts are a bad experience longterm, if you have any of these two problems - any detox efforts are stymied and a waste of energy. You are simply playing merry-go-round and moving toxins anyplace but out!
Please read any of the threads here discussing KPU and Allergie Immun.
A sauna is great under the right conditions - but not if you have major allergies, i.e. your body is no longer able to regulate, your immune system can no longer recognize damaging toxins and if you fall into the KPU category lacking major detox minerals.
Take care.
P.S. the fact that I repeated myself several times here should tell you how i m p o r t a n t this subject is! "
(GiGi)
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I would add to GiGi's caution the same thing regarding any form of porphyria - even if "Secondary" - see post above. Proceed with caution when designing or implementing a program to help your body metabolize and move out toxins.
Search for keywords in subject line of medical forum: 'Allergie-Immun' | 9 matches found -
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So is the KPU protocol primarily a remineralization process ?
I had copied a list of specific minerals into my PDA, but the PDA swam in a large full coffee cup for 30 seconds as I rescued my laptop from another spill at the same time. Bye bye PDA.
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- GiGi just posted this at another thread: -----------------------------
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If you have mcs, need to be careful of abx and tinctures with alcohol. Try to test them beforehand and see if you are allergic. Avoid meds with colorants and preservatives. You may need to have meds specially compounded to avoid these ingredients. Good luck!
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- Adding to Tonglen's advice to avoid alcohol in meds/tincture -- and dyes in medicines, also avoid additives in foods and beverages. ---------------------
[No mention of this, but these are also used in pharmaceuticals.]
The Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) says food dyes pose a number of risks to the American public and is calling on the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to ban three of the most commonly used dyes:
Red 40, Yellow 5 and Yellow 6.
A new CSPI report says those dyes contain known carcinogens and contaminants that unnecessarily increase the risks of cancer, hyperactivity in children and allergic reactions.
"These synthetic chemicals do absolutely nothing to improve the nutritional quality or safety of foods, but trigger behavior problems in children and, possibly, cancer in anybody," said CSPI executive director Michael Jacobson, co-author of the report. "The Food and Drug Administration should ban dyes, which would force industry to color foods with real food ingredients, not toxic petrochemicals." . . .
. . . According to the report, tests done on lab animals found contaminants that raised health concerns about several of the nine dyes currently approved for market.
The approved dyes are Blue 1 & 2, Citrus Red 2, Green 3, Orange B, Red 3 & 40 and Yellow 5 & 6.
And every year, about 15 million pounds of these dyes wind up in our food, with alot of it ending up in things like candy, fruit drinks and cereals.
. . . Britain in 2008 . . . . For example, CSPI says McDonald's Strawberry Sundaes get their color from fresh strawberries. The group says in the United States the color comes from Red dye 40.
CSPI say in the UK, Fanta orange soda coloring comes from pumpkins and carrot extract. Here, it says the color comes from Red 40 and Yellow 6 dye. . . . -
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- JT's Mom just posted this great article at another thread. Very relevant:
- by John R. Horn, PharmD, FCCP, and Philip D. Hansten, PharmD
September 1, 2008
Excerpt:
In previous issues of Pharmacy Times, we have discussed the cytochrome P450 (CYP450) enzymes CYP1A2, CYP2C9, CYP2C19, and CYP2D6 (see www.PharmacyTimes.com/Drug Interactions).
In the spirit of saving the best for last, in this issue, we will discuss the most important of all CYP450 enzymes: CYP3A4. It has been estimated that CYP3A4 metabolizes about half of all drugs on the market.
Because many other commonly used drugs are moderate-to-potent inhibitors of CYP3A4, it is not surprising that drug toxicity of CYP3A4 substrates due to inhibition of CYP3A4 is relatively common.
CYP3A4 also is sensitive to enzyme induction, and a number of drugs are known to be CYP3A4 inducers. CYP3A4 inducers tend to lower plasma concentrations of CYP3A4 substrates, resulting in reduced efficacy of the substrate.
This type of drug interaction is probably more frequent than commonly realized, because reduced drug effect may simply be attributed to lack of patient response.
Many drugs that are CYP3A4 substrates, inhibitors, and inducers are also substrates, inhibitors, or inducers of the ABC transport protein known as P-glycoprotein.
Many drug interactions, therefore, involve additive effects of both CYP3A4 and P-glycoprotein.
- more text and several LISTS at the link above. -
** It would be excellent to save this to your computer file for easy reference. -
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- This is especially important for anyone dealing with any kind or any degree of porphyria or excess porphyrins.
Believe it or not, toxic free radical molecules and oxidation by-products are produced whenever you exercise. Everyone knows that exercise is related to improved muscle, heart and lung function... but it does have a downside, too.1-2
All of your workouts' positive effects begin with oxidative phosphorylation, a pathway that your body uses to generate energy (known as adenosine triphosphate or ATP) at the cellular level.
Unfortunately, this respiratory process--paired with your muscles' contractions and additional environmental factors like certain preservatives in foods and beverages, sun exposure and smog--produces by-products that pollute your body and lead to the formation of damaging free radicals.3
And studies show that this excess free radical exposure can pave the way to DNA mutations, premature aging and cell death, muscle weakness, fatigue and chronic oxidative stress.4-5
So how can you get the best benefits of regular exercise--without placing your body at risk in the process?
Proper antioxidant support is one effective way: Extensive research shows that safe, natural substances including vitamins A, C and E, N-acetyl cysteine, lutein, rosemary leaf extract, turmeric, green tea, bilberry and grape seed extract are all potent free radical quenchers . . . .
- Cont'd at link above.
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In addition to antioxidant support, please refer up a few posts to Burrascano's guidelines regarding self-care and safe non-aerobic exercise recommendations.
Exercise is vital - it just needs to be the right kind in the right degrees. -
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Thanks Keebler... When are you going to write a book? I'm sure it would sell well!
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- Oh, I just saw your compliment, Sparkle. Thanks. Nothing I write is original, therefore, I could not claim discovery. There are MANY excellent books and article already out there. I just pass along bits and and pieces from a few that seem to ring a bell.
It's all I can barely do to just copy and paste. So, I'm glad to recommend links from good sources. Hope it helps others. I still don't understand everything, really. It's very complex.
And everything I find just leads me to more questions - it's all just bits of puzzle pieces. I'm glad to have a place like LymeNet were we can all come together and share. Here's to hoping we will find a few keys to unlock the puzzle. -
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- Tryptophan and 5-HTP may look good, in general, but not for those with problems of porphyria metabolism
Science 2 December 1983:_Vol. 222. no. 4627, pp. 1031-1033
DOI: 10.1126/science.6648517
Science, Vol 222, Issue 4627, 1031-1033 Copyright � 1983 by American Association for the Advancement of Science
L-tryptophan: a common denominator of biochemical and neurological events of acute hepatic porphyria?
DA Litman and MA Correia
Excerpt:
** . . . These findings suggest that increased tryptophan and 5-hydroxytryptamine in the nervous system may be responsible for the neurologic dysfunctions observed in humans with acute attacks of hepatic porphyria. . . . **
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Listening to the radio interview by Dr. K right now. He's loving this great new product called OSR which has since been pulled from the market. Love the FDA! Not.
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- Dawn in VA,
A porphyria attack can be any neurological (or neuro-muscular) symptom but, most often, involves the gut with alternating cramping, constipation and loose stools.
An "attack" can be psychiatric, too, as the kind that hit England's King George III. But, any body system can bear the brunt. It may vary with the different kind of porphyria but it can also vary from patient to patient or from one time to the next.
It can be nearly indistinguishable from a herx and, IMO, some herx reactions ARE porphyria attacks or flares.
See the links above for "Secondary Porphyria" that relates some herx symptoms to elevated porphyrins and also see the Foundation/Association sites.
For those with some kinds of porphyria, an attack can be a very rough night, a trip to the E.R. or it can even become fatal. In such a case, IV Glucose and heme products can prevent that.
To keep from getting to an "attack" BETA CAROTENE is also very helpful. Green Vibrance (a greens powder blend) is my favorite support measure. -
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Do you have a link for that program you were listening to?
This was on a few months back. Is it the same program?
Explanation of detox problems. Please listen to the whole video by Dr.K. covering KPU and then decide. -
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- More considerations regarding ability to detox:
* HLA-DR
I don't have details about HLA-DR and HLA-DQ but it's good to search that out.
Do a cross search of these terms at Google: HLA-DR "chronic neurotoxins"
* MSH: (MSH is a hypothalamic neuroregulatory/cytokine regulatory/mucus membrane regulatory hormone.) In short: MSH stands for "MELANOCYTE-STIMULATING HORMONE".
* MMP-9 is activated by cytokine effect
* PORPHYRINS
* The HLA DR by PCR is a typing of immune response genes, that can show individual susceptibility to particular neurotoxins.
Dr. S's tests can be ordered by your physician from Esoterix Labs. He must set up an account with them, you cannot do it:
Esoterix Labs, Inc. 7540 Louis Pasteur, Suite 200 San Antonio, TX 78229-4008 1-800-661-4118
Topic: How to find an ILADS-educated lyme literate (LL) professionals in these areas:
Naturopathic doctor (ND); Acupuncturist (L. Ac.), a doctor of Oriental Medicine (O.M.D.), or a doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine (D.Ay.), certified herbalists or nutritionists, . . .
. . . Holistic MDs, and also Doctors of Osteopath (DO) and Doctors of Chiropractic (DC), etc.
** Includes many professional links, articles and books on complementary / integrative methods - & RIFE links -- all by LL authors.
Also included are basic links explaining the principles of herbal medicine.
BODY WORK considerations (geared to lyme patients) are discussed; with links. -
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- A note about LINKS
From time to time, links expire. As a collector of links, this drives me nuts when I'm wanting to go back to look for some detail.
I can't keep up with going back to links I've posted and updating them.
So, when you find research links that have evaporated into thin air, these actions can help connect you:
* Go back to the basics. Try the "guts" of that URL for a home page (usually the beginning part of the URL);
* search Google for key names; or key terms;
* copy and paste the article title, enclosed in quotation marks, or connected with the + symbol between each word.
-- Often, the new link will be an updated version. So, even if an old link goes through, it might be good to search to see if there is an update.
If you find new links for previous ones posted here, it would be so nice to post that detail for others. -
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IDENTIFYING ENVIRONMENTAL ILLNESS & MOLD EXPOSURE IN PATIENTS WITH PERSISTENT LYME DISEASE
Lisa L. Nagy, MD Video $15.
(Excellent to get, even if mold is not an issue, this is full of great information.)
She is NOT A LLMD, however, she understands the kind of toxicity issues faced by many with lyme. She did not have lyme but overcame very serious MCS. She spoke at the recent ILADS conference.
It's a great presentation to see. The DVD can be ordered. Great detail about toxicity issues also here:
Her Web Site -
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- Like the doctor above, a friend of mine has been forced to be out of her home for many months now. This is just one source that has helped her in her research as they are making their house safe:
Safe Home for Health, Happy Families -
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- Anyone with any kind of porphyria should not be taking vitamins that are petroleum based.
I know some brands of vitamins are made in a laboratory but it never occurred to me that some are made from PETROLEUM until I read this article yesterday:
By Tara Parker-Pope - The New York Times - January 20, 2012
Interview with food writer Steve Ettlinger, author of the book ``Twinkie, Deconstructed":
Excerpt:
. . .
Q. What ingredients used in Twinkies most surprised you?
A. Vitamins. I didn't have a clue where they came from, but I suspect that, like me, many people think that they are squeezed from seeds or extracted from bark or something like that.
I found they were, by and large, made from petroleum and fermented in enormous industrial plants mostly in China.
To find out that a lot of my vitamins, and in particular the B vitamins in enriched flour that are in a Twinkie, were made from Chinese petroleum just blew my mind.
Q. How do you get a vitamin from petroleum?
A. Like so many basic chemical processes, it's about breaking down a source material into its essential molecular structure.
If you want a lot of carbon or hydrogen or oxygen from an organic compound, petroleum is not a bad place to start. They manipulate it in various ways to get what they want.
For a chemical engineer, the source of the carbon or hydrogen or oxygen is not that important. It's about the availability and the ease of working with it.
For instance, with something like sorbic acid, which is a common preservative, at one point in the process they need a carbon source, so they hit it with carbon monoxide. I found that dismaying, for what is eventually a food product.
But the chemists kept telling me: ``It's just a chemical reaction. On your table you have two very dangerous chemicals, sodium and chlorine, but they've combined into table salt, which is benign.''
I had to work to shed my chemical-phobia. (end quotes by Steve Ettlinger) . . .
- Full article at link above -
--------- To my shock & deep dismay - this was pretty much the end of discussion about the petroleum derived vitamins. Big Sigh.
And, for all foods that are "fortified" my guess is that this is the source of the vitamins used.
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I cannot read and understand alot due to brain fog. However, I was looking at the porphyria foundation website and could not figure out what those disorders are.
Over the years, my Dr has been suspecting that I have a CYP450 2d6 enzyme deficiency that makes it hard to metabolize medications properly. Is that porphyria?
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- Aperture,
you say: ". . . Over the years, my Dr has been suspecting that I have
a CYP450 2d6 enzyme deficiency that makes it hard to metabolize medications properly.
Is that porphyria?" (end quote)
Sure does sound like it. Porphryia encompasses the entire CYP450 (Cytochrome P-450) enzyme pathway (also referred to as the primary liver detox pathway) . . .
that your doctor has given it more thought to your reactions regarding the 2d6 "sub-category" of the CYP450, he probably knows far more about this than do I.
It's good that your doctor has his eyes open and his brain engaged. Often, the best diagnostics emerge from observation.
Your blood relatives should be alerted in case this might be of genetic origin. Your doctor will know more, I suspect.
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- Some of these links are peppered throughout posts above. However, here's a somewhat streamlined collection:
Science Recorder | Jonathan Marker | Friday, December 13, 2013
Anesthesia drug, ETOMIDATE & Mortality issues
According to a December 13 news release from Wolters Kluwer Health, a recent study appearing in the December issue of Anesthesia & Analgesia
(“Etomidate and General Anesthesia: The Butterfly Effect?”) identified the widely-used anesthesia drug
etomidate as a safety concern for patients receiving the drug during surgical procedures, because the drug may increase the risk of mortality or cardiovascular events. . . .
full article at link above.
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Wondering if there may be a porphyria connection, it seems so:
Excerpt, page . . . [top of page 10] Etomidate is porphyrinogenic in animal models.[46] . . .
[Reference: 46. Harrison GG, Moore MR, Meissner PN. Porphyrinogenicity of etomidate and ketamine as continuous infusions. Br J Anaesth 1985; 57: 420-423.]
Anesthetic Considerations in Porphyrias [Jensen, Fiddler, Striepe]
From page 9:
B. Induction of anesthesia
Thiopental has accounted for the majority of drug-precipitated attacks(15, 35) but the multifactorial nature of porphyric crisis makes interpretation of isolated cases difficult. (18)
Since dehydration, infection, fever, and endogonous steroid hormones themselves induce ALA synthetase, virtually any drug administered to a patient entering a porphyric crisis implicates that drug as a "trigger".(18)
Interestingly, even a known trigger may not induce an attack. (5, 44) . . . .
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