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jasek
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I was contacted today by a person who is a scientist, has chronic lyme, with chronic infections.

She was telling me I should go on "Under The 8 Ball.com" and watch the trailer on this documentary which was made by a brother whose sister died, from lyme, not able to get the proper treatment.

The trailer is frightening as it delves into the Government's part in this.

I'm trying to read a book called Lab 257 written about plum island and lyme.

She talked about too many things, my brain couldn't hold the info. I asked about detox, which is something I want to dig further into and she mentioned H.L.A. Huh? Something you need to know so you detox properly.

I am interested in anyone who has seen this Doc. or has read the book. I can't absorb or retain with this neuro brain of mine. Thanks, Jasek

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Stab in the dark, but she may have been referring to Kryptopyrroluria (aka Hemopyrrollactamuria) ``HPU''/KPU.

Maybe she was referring to "HPL".

Dr. K spoke of it at the LIA conference last year. See the link below.

http://planetthrive.com/2010/04/hpukpu-protocol-for-lyme-and-autism/

This is Dr. K from lyme-autism conference 2009
(embedded in article from Planet Thrive above):

http://www.lymeinducedautism.com/educationalpresentations.html

Dr. B comments on:
http://www.publichealthalert.org/Articles/scottforsgren/2Klinghardt.htm

"Elevated levels of HPL found in urine are the result of an abnormality in heme synthesis. Hemoglobin is the substance the holds iron in the red blood cells.

HPL is a byproduct of hemoglobin - or heme - synthesis and can be identified in the urine.

HPLs bind to zinc, biotin, manganese, vitamin B6, arachidonic acid and other important compounds and lead to a significant depletion of these substances in the body.

Turning to the importance of zinc, biotin, manganese, vitamin B6, and arachidonic acid in the body, it becomes clear how widespread the problem may be that is created by this condition...."

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I read the book, Lab 257. It was written by a credible lawyer. Plum Island is no joke...

There's some nefarious stuff going on. Most people think I'm a crackpot for believing that these ideas have some validity. If you research it, you will find that it's valid.

FYI - http://www.elenacook.org/spirowarfare.html

This stuff is alot to consider. It's not so much that you have "Lyme brain" - it's just alot of information to digest. Once you consider it may be a reality - it's shifts your paradigm of reality.

It takes time to put the pieces together between considering that Lyme may be bio-warefare to what to do to help yourself.

Many people just don't want to go there....

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FYI - I copied this from a blog...

http://www.wellsphere.com/lyme-disease-article/hla-1-lyme-triggered-autoimmune-illness/808921

HLA-1 Lyme Triggered Autoimmune Illness

Posted Sep 22 2009 10:09pm

The genetic tests my Dr ran finally came back and although we had hoped for better news it turns out I do have the HLA (human leukocyte antigen) type 01 which is a type associated with Lyme-triggered autoimmune inflammatory illness.

This means that there are molecular shapes on the outside of my own cells that are similar in shape to those on the outside of the Lyme germ. When my body makes proteins to fight Lyme disease, they mistakenly attack my own cells.


Some individuals are born with genetic mutations (abnormalities), which can potentially lead to autoimmune and/or inflammatory conditions such as MS, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, ALS, Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis, and Lyme triggered autoimmune illness.

Autoimmune disorders occur when the immune system mistakenly attacks the body's own tissues because they are incorrectly identified as harmful substances like bacteria or viruses.

The theory is that these infections confuse the immune system essentially cascading out of control attacking both the good and the bad thus creating a set of symptoms.


Currently I am slowly upping the Lyme meds and have been pretty sick with what I assume is a Herxheimer reaction. At my next appointment with the specialist in MA she will discuss my options for treatment in light of this new HLA-1 information.

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Sparkle ..This is exactly what I was looking for. Wouldn't this testing play a major role in treatment? Is it a blood test. Today is the first time I ever heard of it.Have you ever done any detoxing?

You are so right about Lab 257. Every lymie should read it.

Watch the trailer on the doc.

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Everyone should see Under the Eightball, you will be blown away folks. www.undertheeightball.com

They are planning a movie tour with the DVD release to follow in the upcoming weeks.

Here is the book list from the Under the Eightball movie in NY this weekend.
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LAB 257: The disturbing story of the government's secret Plum Island germ laboratory by Michael C. Carroll

BIOHAZARD: The chilling true story of the largest covert biological weapons program in the world told from inside by the man who ran it. By Ken Alibek

PROJECT DAYLILY: by Garth & Nancy Nicolson cited among most relevant literature since 1530 (see Wikipedia for more about the true story of the discovery of a biological agent in Gulf War veterans' blood.)



LYME DISEASE AND THE SS ELBRUS: Collaboration between the Nazis and Communists in chemical and biological warfare. Who is this man? Josef Mengele or Henry Tolkmith?



SECRET AGENDA: The United States Government, Nazi scientists and Project Paperclip 1945 to 1990 by Linda Hunt



SIX-LEGGED SOLDIERS: Using Insects as Weapons of War by Jeffrey A. Lockwood



GERMS: Biological weapons and America's secret war, by Judith Miller, Stephen Engelberg, and William Broad



PLAGUE'S PROGRESS: by Arno Karlen



BIOGRAPHY OF A GERM: by Arno Karlen



Cell Wall Deficient Forms: Stealth Pathogensby former Nobel prize nominee, Lida Mattman, PhD



Hitler IS WINNING: by Jerry Leonard (Paperback - Dec 26, 2002)



AIDS: The "Perfect" Disease by Jerry Leonard (Paperback - Mar 1, 2002)



The Perfect Assassin: Lee Harvey Oswald, the CIA and Mind Control by Jerry Leonard



THE COMING PLAGUE: by Laurie Garrett

(Note: 3 pages about Lyme are from an Allen Steere interview, but everything else in this book is more than adequate.)



THE BAKER'S DOZEN AND THE LUNATIC FRINGE: Has junk science shifted the Lyme disease paradigm? By PJ Langhoff



THE HOT ZONE: A terrifying true story by Richard Preston



A HIGHER FORM OF KILLING: The secret history of chemical and biological warfare by Robert Harris



STATE SECRETS: An insider's chronicle of the Russian chemical weapons program by Vils Mirzayanov



WAR OF NERVES: Chemical warfare from World War I to Al-Quaeda by Johnathon Tucker



GREAT FEUDS IN SCIENCE: Ten of the liveliest disputes ever, by Hal Hellman

GREAT FEUDS IN MEDICINE: by Hal Hellman



VACCINE A: The Covert Government Experiment That's Killing Our Soldiers--And Why GI's Are Only The First Victims by Gary Matsumoto



GULF WAR VETERANS: LINKING EXPOSURE TO ILLNESSES: hearing before the Congress. House. Committee on Government Reform. Subcommittee on National Security, Veterans Affairs, and International Relations



DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE ANTHRAX VACCINE IMMUNIZATION PROGRAM: CONGRESSIONAL . . edited by John Warner



THE ANTHRAX VACCINE: Is it safe? Does it work?‎

by Lois M. Joellenbeck, Institute of Medicine (U.S.). Committee to Assess the Safety and Efficacy of the Anthrax Vaccine, Medical Follow-up Agency



The Department of Defense Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program: unproven force protection : fourth report by the Committee on Government Reform together ... supplemental views (SuDoc Y 1.1/8:106-556) by U.S. Congressional Budget Office (Unknown Binding - 2000)

Out of Print--Limited Availability

Department of Defense Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program: Hearing before the Military Personnel Subcommittee of the Committee on Armed Services, House ... session, hearing held September 30, 1999 by United States (Unknown Binding - 2000)



Department of Defense Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program (AVIP): Hearing before the Military Personnel Subcommittee of the Committee on Armed Services, ... second session, hearing held July 13, 2000 by United States (Unknown Binding - 2001)



Department of Defense Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program: Hearings before the Committee on Armed Services, United States Senate, One Hundred Sixth Congress, ... session, April 13 and July 12, 2000 (S. hrg) by United States (Unknown Binding - 2001)

Out of Print--Limited Availability

Chemical and Biological Warfare: A Comprehensive Survey for the Concerned Citizen by Eric Croddy, Clarisa Perez-Armendariz, and John Hart (Hardcover - Nov. 26, 2001)



THE BELARUS SECRET: by John Loftus



WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION: An Encyclopedia of Worldwide Policy, Technology, and History (2 volume set) by Eric Croddy, James Wirtz, and Jeffrey Larsen



CONSPIRACY ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Encyclopedia of Conspiracy Theories by Thom Burnett



Public Health Response to Biological and Chemical Weapons: WHO Guidance by World Health Organization (Paperback - Feb. 2005)



United States Department of Defense Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program,

Department of Defense, Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program Agency: http://www.anthrax dtra.mil/cb/cb index.Html

Department of Defense Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program (AVIP) website, http://www.anthrax.osd.mil.

ANTHRAX VACCINE IMMUNIZATION PROGRAM - The Official DoD Anthrax ... Friedlander, Arthur M., "Anthrax," in Frederick R. ..." Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) anthrax website, http://www.cdc.govincidodidbmdi diseaseinfoianthrax_g.htm.

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Wow, I am a bit blown away. I want to see the movie but I would really like to know when the dvd comes out. After reading Lab 257, I'm scared to read anything else. Wild condor what about H.L.A. How important is it to have testing done for before detoxing?
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Hi Wildcondor,

here's another book possibly to add to the list:

Dr Mary's Monkey

by Edward T. Haslam and Jim Marrs

All about mouse viruses,and the CIA in the late 1950s and after.

Seems very relevant, especially now XMRV, the retrovirus from mice, has been found in CFS and Lyme patients.

Andromeda

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quote:
Originally posted by jasek:
Wild condor what about H.L.A. How important is it to have testing done for before detoxing?

Jasek,

I am positive for 2 genetic markers. My sister is positive for 1.

Detoxing will not affect the outcome of the genetic test. We either have the marker(s) or we don't.

It tells us the likelihood of having autoimmune response(s) in the presence of the lyme bacteria.

Here's a thread on detox support that may help you:

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/92530#000000

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I have not studied HLA as of yet, still on pathology at the moment. [Smile]
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