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blinkie
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I just wanted to share that after 2.5 weeks of Ivermectin and 5 days of biltricide treatment for parasites, I've had some symptom improvement.

Rash on my right cheek that was always worse when getting out of the shower and it was itchy sometimes. It is now GONE!

Acne like a 16 year old....so far....GONE! My skin looks better than it has in years!

Heart palpitations...about 90% improved. I can even sleep on my left side at times.

Insomnia is much improved. I'm still not getting refreshing sleep, but, I can at least lay down and go to sleep now. Any time I want to! That is fantastic!

Menstrual Cramps...get this....GONE!!!!! Ok, this one I'm reserving judgement on for now. BUT, I started treatment before my last cycle and it continued during my cycle. I had debilitating cramps that get worse and worse over time. They had gotten so bad that I could not care for my son for three days out of the month.

I have to say, I only had one episode of cramps this past cycle and it lasted all of an hour and was more like discomfort, rather than actual pain.

I don't know if this will be the same from here on out or if it was a fluke, but I'm hopeful.

I was diagnosed with ovarian cysts and cysts on my kidney. I was told my menstrual pain was from the ovarian cysts. I'm now wondering if they could be gone?

Anyway, I wanted to share in case anyone else has these same problems, you might try parasite treatment.

I also just feel overall, better. Not so sick.

So worth it!

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Thanks for posting.

Did you have any tests for parasites done or was the decision to take Ivermectin based on symptoms?

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I was tested by stool for parasites. Not sure specifically which ones. The tests came back negative.

My LLMD basically feels that almost ALL tests for anything that relates to us is worthless. He treated me based on symptoms. However, I was the one that suggested trying it.

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Dr. K says that worms are a MAJOR factor for many people with Lyme, autism, etc. Unfortunately, most doctors overlook this important part of the puzzle.

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Ditto Scott, and everything that is referred to as parasites. They not only get you, they also get your nutrients. And they are holding toxic metals. So if you deliver parasites and worms, make sure you pay attention to what comes with them. Binders, etc.

Take care.

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Interesting!

I asked my doc for some Ivermectin but he gave me a prescription for the wrong dosage. Seemed like it would be good to take it for a short time. I guess I'll make the effort to get the proper prescription from him.

He didn't really know anything about parasites but I sent him some photos & asked for the Ivermectin... I guess the photos were convincing - LOL

Sometimes you have to have a sense of humor about all of this.

Blinkie - what was the dosage & how long/often did you take the Ivermectin for? I don't know too much about the Biltricide. I did a couple of herbal parasite cleanses but I thought it might be a good idea to try a drug, as well.

Thanks for the info, guys & gals.

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PS - Dr Schulze's Intestinal Cleanse #2 is really great for pulling toxins out of the intestinal tract. Just one of my personal favs. I don't sell it or anything.
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MIne too. Rash after shower, shaving - gone. Heart palps much improved.

But you can't depend on herbs only for this, you have to hit them with the hard stuff. Ivermectin, then Xifaxan and Alinia at high doses. I wasted so much time just treating lyme and co. Should have done parasites first.

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That's great news!! I will echo what Myco and Scott are saying and what GiGi has been posting for a very long time. Treating parasites play a huge role in getting rid of Lyme and co.

Salt/c and antiparasitic herbs worked for me. I am for whatevere works to get rid of these pathogens.

Adding cloves to the diet is a good way of getting rid of the eggs and keeping them away, so the cycle doesbn't start all over again. The three stages of larva, eggs and adults have to be dealt with.

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I agree with Myco. Herbals will not be enough for these infections. My very "alternative" minded LLMD didn't even suggest using anything but prescription meds.

I took 3mg of Ivermectin once daily for two weeks. Basically, until I stopped noticing any change in symptoms.

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So is Ivermectin oral medication? I might ask my doctor about this. I thought Humaworm was good enough.

My doctor will not let me do the Salt/C since she and other doctors have had patients almost DIE from this!!!!

Anyway, I do anti parasitic smoothies with lots of garlic, cloves, cinnamon, etc....

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Treating parasites was my first breakthrough in Lyme treatment. It's so so so important. It was shocking how full of worms I was. Absolutely shocking.

I eat less than half of what I used to eat .... probably less than a third.

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Why do you eat less?????

I am into bodybuilding so I eat 4,000-5,000 calories a day, all good stuff.

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GiGi,

Are you saying it's important to take Binders like Chlorella with parasite cleanses, such as Humaworm? Like a half-hour before taking a Humaworm supplement?

I'm glad we all found the next step of treatment! [Smile]

Day 2 of Humaworm... Doing well so far.

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I eat less because I don't have the massive worms consuming all the calories I am eating. I have also gained the 15 pounds I had lost when I was sick, which is a good thing.

I teach pilates and eat more than most people my size, but still much less than I did when I had the parasites.

People used to joke about how much I would eat because I would easily eat double or triple what a man twice my size would consume. It was not unknown for me to order a second entree at a restaurant or go home and make "second dinner" .... we used to joke about me being a Hobbit.

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My LLMD doesn't believe that binders are necassary. But, I'm sure other LLMD's feel differently. I think the most important part is killing them.

And, yes, Ivermectin is an oral tablet. Small, and must be taken with a lot of water.

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That is great news - we are starting our treatment by attacking the parasites first. Glad to know we are on the right track!
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So maybe I will try Humaworm this summer. I'll talk with my LLMD. I don't see a primary doctor any longer. I give up with them.

Six, I don't know if I am feeding parasites or not but I am trying to gain at least 20 lbs so I am eating like a horse.

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Period of Levaquin and Ceftin.
Then Levaquin, Bactrim and Biaxin.
Bactrim/Augmentin/Rifampin.
Mepron/Biaxin/Artemisinin/Cat's Claw
Rifampin/Bactrim/Alinia
Plaquenil/Biaxin

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Again, even my LLMD and Naturopath agree, HUMAWORM IS NOT ENOUGH. Don't waste your time. These are very persistent bugs.
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I would agree with that .... you need more than Humaworm, but it's a good start.

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quote:
Originally posted by blinkie:
I don't know if this will be the same from here on out or if it was a fluke,...

Sorry blinkie, but this made me chuckle... Speaking of flukes or anything else, did you pass any parasites that were visible? (I realize it's a graphic question...)

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Using prescription antiparasitics, did you have a huge die off or herx? Or did you feel progressively better?

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Wolf - I took photos of the parasites I passed. I know how some people, doctors are about believing stuff like this...

It's hard to find doctors who know about parasites & how to treat them. I didn't believe it either until I got really ill & started passing them. I did a liver cleanse & then some anti-parasite herbs.

I think it's a good idea to do an intestinal cleanse after killing these things. It helps to get any remnants out of the body. Coffee enemas are helpful, too.

It's all gross but it's good to get them out. The herbs are helpful but there are some parasites that are in the lungs & other places that the herbs may not reach.

I think it's good to do different kinds of approaches to get the various kind of parasites & the different stages of their life cycles. I bet many of us have parasites that they don't even think to test for - if the tests are even accurate.

It seems best to just do a variety of different approaches to this - drugs, herbs, whatever works. I did get quite ill from killing these [email protected]@rds.

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Oh yes, I forgot to say that my lungs are much improved as well! I had a bad time of lung pressure and breathing problems.

I did not see anything that I could call parasites. I did see some things that looked like rice. Not sure if that is anything or not.

My progress was one day of bad fatigue, then onward and upward with steady and very noticable improvement.

I know that Babs is still a problem as well and for other parasites, my LLMD also started me back on pulsed artemisinin at very high doses! Also saw some great improvement there.

My night sweats that slowly crept back were GONE the first day! Wow!

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Very glad to hear you're doing so well with this! Please be sure to give us regular reports... "No flukes here"! LOL

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-Myco I agree about the Humaworm not being enough thus not doing a great job.

Inno-Vita makes 2 parasite formulas. One designed for large paras, one designed for small. I used the Micro-site for babs and on the second day my urine was filled with little red specks.

As far as targeting organs, Systemic Formulas makes organ specific mixed herbals that can be combined with specific herbal formulas. These are thus "pointed at" specific organs.

I was tested on a hand plate machine machine which showed yeast in the spleen. The practitioner had me take # 4 for yeast and S (if I remember correctly) for the spleen.

And Sparkle makes a good point about various stages - these can be addressed by timing of using anti-parasitic herbal mixes.

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Interesting that our LLMD RXed Ivermectin with a negative stool test.....mine was also negative. I have in truth never paid much attention to the idea of parasites because I always thought there would be a lot of GI issues if I had them.

But rashes after showers and acne and heart palps......I will ask him about Ivermectin.

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The parasite situation is pretty bad as I heard last from Dr. K. Many now do Alinia for three months, some alternating days, some different. That is after Biltrizide, etc. But definitely not the 5 days or 3, whatever the PDR prescribes. Humaworm will not reach the parasites and in the brain.

Artemisinin works and also works on the biofilm that harbors all sorts of undesirables.

Take care.

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I just tested positive using Genova Diagnostics for e. histolytica/dispar. The didn't find them in stools. Antibodies were present to this parasite.

Rarely can any lab find them in stools. Medical research shows it can take up to 10 samples to find them. Also, if it's a parasite that can disseminate and cross the gut into the bloodstream, the stool test will be negative. That's why an EIA or antibody test is more reliable.

My LLMD put me on Flagyl for 10 days. That is the usual course of treatment, followed by Paromomycin.

blinkie, I've also had heart palpitations, but spasm in the muscle and stabbing pains at times have been more problematic. I noticed when I tried to sleep on my left side it was worse.
I found it interesting that you also had this issue.

Just so y'all know, some parasites are not relegated to the gut and penetrate the intestinal wall into the blood stream AND can cross the blood/brain barrier. A colon cleanse isn't going to do diddly squat for those. It's always a good idea to identify the parasite because not all meds work for all parasites.

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Marrit,
Did the 10-day course of Flagyl take care of the parasite problem?

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Any opinions as to which is the "best" as far as drugs go?

Alinia, Ivermectin, Biltricide. others? Is it specific to the pathogen? Also, any ideas of dosing, how long to take them, etc.?

Most of the standard info about these drugs relates to intestinal parasites. Babesia & other parasites like flukes, etc. aren't necessarily in the intestines... Seems people are being creative with their usage.

I don't want to mess around with alot of tests. My doctor is not up to par but I'm doing the best I can on my own. I can try to get him to give the the prescriptions, though. He really doesn't know much about all of this...

I'm taking artemesia & noni & they seem to be doing something. I also added butyrate which is supposed to make the artemesia work better.

I've been feeling more fatigued & an increase in pain which is in various areas of my body. It's sort of moves around. I'm not sure if I have babesia or some other parasites.

I think it's doing something but I'd like to add a drug. Artemesia is strong stuff. I'm not sure I'm convinced that abx are the right way for me to go.

An anti-parasite seems to make more sense. Thanks for the info!

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Does anyone know if parasites always relate to weight loss? My llmd has suggested getting tested for parasites because I have a lot of GI problems, but I feel like I've gained weight instead of the classic losing weight.

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Weight gain is on the Humaworm symptom list. You can check the list for yourself by going to their site.

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Mallory-yes, parasites can cause weight gain or weight loss. This is what I have seen as symptoms listed on various websites.
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thejoje,

I actually just started it yesterday.
The flagyl is for the disseminated parasite, outside the intestines. The second medication, Paromomycin, that follows the flagyl is supposed to kill any eggs in the lumen/intestine.

I'll let everyone know how it works.

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I'm glad that this thread is going.

I have the antibodies for Toxocara.

My doctor prescribed Vermox (mebendazole). No one has mentioned this medicine. Has anyone tried it?

I asked the NP about Ivermectin and she said - we would have to do an MRI of the brain to see if there are cysts on the brain if we give you that. Huh?

I'm guessing that Ivermectin is a very strong drug.

Has anyone here had experience with Vermox?

Six- what did you use to treat this?

Thanks

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Also if anyone has a decent online source of Ivermectin, please pm me...

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blinkie - seems the dosage that your doctor gave you was pretty high. It's usually based on weight & it's a one time dose.

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Ivermectin Dosing Information

Usual Adult Dose for Onchocerciasis:

0.15 mg/kg orally once every 12 months
Patients with heavy ocular infection may require retreatment every 6 months. Retreatment may be considered at intervals as short as 3 months.

Dosage guidelines based on body weight:
15 to 25 kg: 3 mg orally one time
26 to 44 kg: 6 mg orally one time
45 to 64 kg: 9 mg orally one time
65 to 84 kg: 12 mg orally one time
85 kg or more: 0.15 mg/kg orally one time

Usual Adult Dose for Strongyloidiasis:

0.2 mg/kg orally once
In immunocompromised (including HIV) patients, the treatment of strongyloidiasis may be refractory requiring repeated treatment (i.e., every 2 weeks) and suppressive therapy (i.e., once a month), although well-controlled studies are not available. Cure may not be achievable in these patients.

Dosage guidelines based on body weight:
15 to 24 kg: 3 mg orally one time
25 to 35 kg: 6 mg orally one time
36 to 50 kg: 9 mg orally one time
51 to 65 kg: 12 mg orally one time
66 to 79 kg: 15 mg orally one time
80 kg or more: 0.2 mg/kg orally one time

Usual Adult Dose for Ascariasis:

0.2 mg/kg orally once

Usual Adult Dose for Cutaneous Larva Migrans:

0.2 mg/kg orally once

Usual Adult Dose for Filariasis:

0.2 mg/kg orally once

Study (n=26,000)
Mass treatment in Papua, New Guinea:
Bancroftian filariasis: 0.4 mg/kg orally once yearly (with a single annual dose of diethylcarbamazine 6 mg/kg), for 4 to 6 years

Usual Adult Dose for Scabies:

0.2 mg/kg orally once, and repeated in 2 weeks
Ivermectin therapy may be combined with a topical scabicide.

Usual Pediatric Dose for Filariasis:

Study (n=26,000)
Mass treatment in Papua, New Guinea:
Bancroftian filariasis:
5 years or older: 0.4 mg/kg orally once yearly (with a single annual dose of diethylcarbamazine 6 mg/kg), for 4 to 6 years


Read more: http://www.drugs.com/mtm/ivermectin.html#ixzz0n6KFPvPQ

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I think my one time dose was supposed to be 9 - 12mg or so (my doc wrote 10 mg & they don't sell it that way - so, major hang up at the drugstore...). So, if you are taking 3mg a day for 2 weeks - it's a bit different that the prescribed method.

Do you have any idea why your doctor told you to do it this way? Just curious... I didn't see that there are huge side effects except possible liver problems. Seems the die off may be worse than the drug...?

I did read one study a while back that said there may be dangers. I couldn't find this study again. I think it was done with people in nursing homes.

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FYI -

http://www.licergone.com/ivermectin.htm

(It's being sold as a shampoo for lice - without a prescription...)

An estimated 6 million people worldwide have taken ivermectin for various parasitic infestations. 15 No serious drug-related adverse events have been reported. Side effects of ivermectin include fever, headache, chills, arthralgia, rash, eosinophilia, and anorexia. 15 Many of these symptoms are thought to result from the death of parasites rather than as a reaction to the drug.

Ivermectin seems to be concentrated in the liver and fat tissue, with very low levels reaching the central nervous system. 20 No significant drug interactions have been reported. 21

A study of elderly nursing home patients treated for scabies infection showed an increased death rate among ivermectin-treated patients, 22 but it was noted that this finding has not been confirmed in multiple subsequent trials.

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I don't know why he prescribed it this way. That is what the pill comes in. Could those dosages be for the liquid form?

I trust my LLMD with my life...he's a very smart man and has gotten me to remission in the past. I never worry about what he tells me to take. I worried once about IM gentamicin and he told me not to...he was right. No reason to worry if I did what he told me to do.

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It's not that I'm worried - I was just trying to understand his logic in prescribing it this way...

It's a bit different than the norm - which is not necessarily wrong or bad. Just different. I'm sure it has some logic to it. We have to think outside of the box if we are going to get well.

(BTW - I used to have a parakeet named binkie (no L)... He was a nice bird.)

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sparkle-nothing we do is in the "norm"! this man has taken me from 35% functioning to 90% currently, with a 2 month remission while on bactrim and rifampin.

LOL! thanks for the info about binkie! that's cute.

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quote:
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with a 2 month remission while on bactrim and rifampin.


What does this mean? Are you still on the meds?

Also blinkie - do you also think your doctor prescribed the med based on your weight, or not?

This is a fascinating discussion.

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It's an interesting approach... I'm doing mostly my own doctoring at this point. So, I'd like to understand why he adjusted the dosing like this.

It's usually a one shot dose at a higher dosage. All of these drugs, herbs, supplements are experimental. Everyone has different genetics, toxins, pathogens. The tests aren't accurate - it's all really difficult to see what works & what doesn't.

I've been wanting to try Ivermectin for a while but my doctor sent me the wrong dosage on the prescription.... I'm kind of miffed about that & I'm thinking I need a new doctor but it's tough to find LLMDs where I am living.

If I need to get a new script - I might ask to try it the way your doctor has been dosing. There may be an advantage but I'm not sure "technically" what it is.

Thanks for your input!

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Sparkle-I don't know why the dosing he did. I didn't ask. I do know that we will be discussing parasites and treatment at my next apt. I had so much improvement, I need to see if I should do another round or add something else or if what I did is sufficient. I'll post if I get more info. Again though, I think just like treating everything else. Take the meds until you plateau.

wtl-I stopped the bactrim/rifampin combo after two months because of knee and ankle pain and stiffness. Once I stopped, I got C diff. So, I can't tkae that combo again. At least not right now.

Apparently, since batrim treats babs, and I've responded well to a high dose pulse of artemisinin, I'm banking on the fact that what is really keeping me from remission is babs. I just need to figure out a combo I can take that will kick it.

I guess, from what I'm reading, that may be harder than orginally thought. Mepron combos didn't do it for me so I think I have a strain that needs something different. I would love to take a bactrim combo with pulsed art for a year or more, but I just can't do it with C diff.

I know lyme is still lurking behind the scenes, but there are several meds I can still take for tha, so that does not concern me as much.

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I've been taking noni, artemesia, butyrate, lactoferrin, & resveratrol + some other supplements for babesia. I read that in order for artemesia to work - you need to have adequate iron levels. The butyrate is supposed to make the artemesia work better. It's also important to take anti-oxidants.

There's also Nutramedix Quina & cryptolepsis - if you want to go the herbal route. Some people do well with the Raintree products but I haven't tried them, yet.

Some people think that the artemesia is not strong enough on it's own but Dr. Z suggests that you need to take it for 9 months. I don't know but I'm giving it a try.

I'd like to avoid abx if possible. I've seen alot of people here relapse on them.

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Also, don't underestimate enula. My LLMD had me take it for babs, but I passed LOTS of roundworms with it!!!

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thanks, six. I hadn't heard of enula.
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It's made by Nutramedix.

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Keep us posted about the dosage issue! I'm very curious about it.

Nutramedix has a few herbal tinctures for babesia. Quina was pretty strong & I was reading that Mora is for babesia, too. I'm sure alot of those South American herbs are anti-parasite.

Raintree has some combos that people here felt were very effective. I haven't tried them, yet.

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Really appreciate this thread. Thx blinkie, and congrats! Hooray for new life with reduced parasite load!

GiGi - "Binders"? Parasites holding toxic metals? Do you recommend chlorella with parasite cleanses?

Sparkle - Noni? Noni berry? How/how much?
And have you experienced help/improvements with butyrate?
And the parasites you passed, were they all from lower orifices, or from your nostrils, too?

Six - I was just like you for yrs. Known to eat two or three times as much as guys larger than I (a slim female). I was called "an inefficient machine" because I required so much fuel. Have cut back since getting some control on yeast. Now if I start backsliding (into chocolate), I get cravings and we know "It's the yeast talkin'."

Gael - re: cloves. How much? Hints on using cloves in more dishes? Or do you take capsules?

blinkie - Passing "things that looked like rice" may have been broken segments of an intestinal worm.

Beginner's Query for All:
Where shall I start to attack parasite load?
- "Liver Cleanse?" (with what?)
- Anti-parasitic treatments like Artemesia? (Wormwood does sound appealing!)
- "Detox?" (That's broad!)
- Enema(s) when?
- Alinia?

Please share simplified ideas/suggestions for a basic step 1, 2, 3 to start ridding parasites. Nothing too wild; I'd like to be as fit as possible to start killing Lyme & Co.

I will not see my first LLMD for 5 wks yet.
- been on Candida control diet for 14+ yrs. Still get "diaper rash" type flares by indulging in any simple sugars.
- take probiotics, milk thistle, garlic, Pau d'Arco caps, cod liver oil, etc.
- eat garlic, raw onions, cinnamon
- try to stick to "good sleep hygiene" and do okay most nights
- don't exercise enough anymore 'cause I've been way too spent since about Feb 2010. Try to stretch often and walk a bit.

Thanks, all!
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Google Hulda Clark parasite cleanse. Also do a search on here for parasites and Lyme.

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Hi Smile...

I use the noni juice. It tastes nasty but I read a study where it is supposed to knock out babesia. There are many strains so I don't know if it will work but it's worth a try. I use a medical dowsing rod & it's usually 1 or 2 Tbs per day. I don't know how the extract works - haven't tried it. I've been using the juice of the fruit.

Lower orifices only (LOL)... I used a green, black walnut hull formuls & I did Humaworm once. I think the Walnut formula was stronger - or maybe my parasites were worse, then...?

I'm not sure with butyrate. I'm taking it with other things so it's hard to tell. I'm using it with artemesinin & some other things. I've been pretty sick & I feel pretty toxic in my intestines lately.

I'm not sure if it's "worse than better" or just "worse & then back to what I was"....

Some people use the butyrate to absorb toxins like chlorestramine. I think the mold doctor recommends it (Dr. S.) but I might be mistaken.

I red a study where it enhances artemesia to help people with breast cancer. I don't know if it will help babesia.

I just read Dr. C (CFS doctor) is recommending artemesia (artensuate - I believe) for XMRV.

Green, black walnut hulls, sweet annie (artemesia), & cloves are the way to go for parasites if you don't want to or don't have access to get into drugs. The herbs may work better but I don't know for sure. Some do well with the drugs. I think the Alania (spelling?) is more for protozoa & the ivermectin is more for worm-types.

You really need to have absorbers on hand. I like Dr. Schulze's intestinal cleanse #2.

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bumping up

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3 1/2 years treatment with oral combos, Cowden, IV roc. BW herbs. Off all abx in 12/10. Feeling good.

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How is everyone doing? Any updated info?

Anyone start off or use Albendazole? what were your experiences?

Thanks

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Dr. K. recommends ALINA as his drug of choice for parasites.

I think that if your stool test shows parasites...go with the drugs. Parasites in the stool show you are over-run with them.

I also think that if you have symptoms of parasites or are not sure,(negative stool test) go with the Humaworm...it is easy to take and no side effects if taken for only one month. Negative test only means the parasites are not provoked) Humaworm will provoke them and you will see them and feel them come out...if you try the humaworm. Everyone has parasites.

With the drug..Alina or any drug...know that it is very effective at killing, and it also kills more than the bad parasites...and you will need to add back the good bacteria with probiotics after your treatment.(drugs kill the good probiotics). There could also be herx reactions in some people...so be prepared...be ready to have some binders on board.

a good binder would be "apple pectin powder". This grabs and binds the toxins and debirs and encases your stools...

Dr. K is not against antibiotics...just does not believe they are always necessary in the many occasions they are used. Although Major parasite issues when we are over run with them is usually calling for an antibiotic remedy in his opinion.

Dr. K's analogy to hard drug treatments like antibiotics for anything:

If your house is on fire...and at risk of burning down totally...call the fire department...and hose the whole house down so you will not lose the house and all its contents. (meaning save your life and survive)You can always repair it...but you need to save it and as many contents as you can!

If only the pot on the stove is on fire, don't immediately call in the fire department and hose the complete house down and ruin its contents....use common sense and first turn off the fire, and quench the small flame with your fire extinguisher directed at the flame, not the complete contents of your home. This way only one element may need repair...not the whole house. If the quick , directed fire quenching does not do the trick...re-evaluate...then call in the big guys.

He uses this analogy as a basic generality to tell us when it is common sense to first try antibiotics versus more pin pointed less invasive remedies. Americans seem to be trained to first use antibiotics...drugs for everything. We are not taught how to use the minimal, more directed approach.

You want to survive and live...so in life and death or those with major symptom complaints, you need to quench the fire to survive and have your life back. But know there are downsides.

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Is plaquenil an anti-parasitic?

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TS - I am on Albenza (albendazole), Flagyl (metronidazole), and Placquenil.

I will let you know how this goes. I've been looking forward to the anti-parasitics.

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Do not forget that Rife Treats parasites and many other "infections" and lyme related issues as well as lyme.
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Anyone ever try any of these products. have heard from one person that they worked great for her

http://www.blessedherbs.com/bh/

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I looked at the Blessed Herbs website. The prices are a bit high. You can do better with other brands picking & choosing what you need.

They seem like a good product line but pricey. I haven't tried them so I don't know if they are better than other brands.

For example the Toxin Absorber is Psyllium seed husks, Apple pectin, Ginger root OR Peppermint leaf, and Bentonite clay. It's almost $70 for a 30 day supply. These ingredients aren't that expensive. A bit on the pricey side...

Dr. Schulze has a similar product with additional ingredients (which make it better in my mind) for about $25. Big difference.

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thanks sparkle [Smile]

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hi,

just want to chime in here -- my doctor ordered the metametrix microbial ecology profile for me today, which covers pathogenic bacteria and parasites in the gut.

i'm really interested to get my results in a couple weeks. i've had major issues with weight loss/inability to gain weight, and chronic nausea/anorexia alternating with RAVENOUS hunger.

my caloric intake is really high considering i'm 5'2 and weigh 110 lbs. everyone always asks me "where i put it all"... i really suspect i have some unwelcome passengers who are eating my food for me. [Frown]

anyway LLMD just prescribed alinia for a friend of mine so i'm hoping he'll do the same for me. reeeeallly hoping the test results show something.

i am very interested in the parasite connection.. it seems really relevant to a lot of us here.

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I am having very good results with Hanna Kroeger wormwood combo and it's only $5.98 for 100 caps for a 15 day supply. The combo has wormwood, black walnut hull, cloves, quassia and male fern root.

I am pleasantly surprised. The quassia and male fern root really seem to be making a difference. They are very strong antiparasitics.

I am not seeing anything in the toilet, but that's because I have gotten rid of a ton of parasites in the past including a looong tape worm, and everything pictured on lymephotos.

I am getting rid of smaller parasites not really visible to the naked eye and some small worms now and then.

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Thanks BoxerMom. Hope everything works out well for you. Let us know how it goes.

lajamur- please share your results when you get them from metametrix. I hear they test for parasite DNA rather than acutal parasites. Which is good!

Gael,
Hi. Where did you get your wormwood combo from?

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Hanna Kroeger wormwood combo

http://www.amazon.com/Kroeger-Herb-Wormwood-Combination-100/dp/B000G3H5KY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1276778707&sr=8-1

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I got the wormwood combo from

www.vitacost.com

Just keep in mind that getting rid of parasites is not a one shot deal and requires persistence. A good forum for parasites is curezone. Just google curezone + parasites.

Gael

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Some good advice here

http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/must-read-cleansing-instructions.html

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Thank you all for this thread. It is extremely helpful.
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