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lymeHerx001
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my secret?

whey protein. it builds glutothione and balances th1 and th2 which is immune related

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tw im off all antibiotics because they make me herx years later even.

Im just going about this the whey way with excercise.

I also found an article in which the doctor used whey protein to rid his patients of mycoplasma [email protected]


Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm happy for you. I look forward to that day where I can exercise like I used to.

Some here like to say stay away from Whey (worries about mercury), but it's some of the best stuff for you in my opinion. My body can't function at all without it. I tried.

Glutathione depletion makes you feel like crap. That's for sure. Your amino acids in general get all thrown off as well because of Lyme, etc.

Congratulations!

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I wish I could take it. I bought 3 expensive containers and I react to it. For me, I think it's a dairy sensitivity issue. I do not do well with casein and they include non fat milk in the ingredients.
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Where you get yours??

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kateaton,

There are many whey proteins for people with food sensitivities.

www.livingfuel.com has a 39.99 protein that is excellent.

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Then join us in General Support!! We have an exercise group!!

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/3/24632

your "exercise" could be walking to the mailbox or jogging two miles.. join us!

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canefan... which one is 39.99 ?.. I kept choosing the ones that cost over $70!

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Lymeherx-

That's great! Which whey protein do you take and how much per day??? What symptoms does it help with??

You may have seen this similar thread i wrote about this:

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/92406#000000

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Whey, if from cattle raised without pesticides, can be great. But it also can be a full week's food budget (or two) for one canister of whey powder.

Protein, in general and from many sources, helps our bodies make glutathione and that helps the liver detox . . . protein's amino acids help our brain, our hearts, our muscles, etc. Protein doesn't have to be just from whey.

Taurine (found mostly in muscle meats) is vital, too. Grass fed beef, buffalo, lamb . . . free range and organically fed chicken . . . WILD fish (google for the mercury content. Wild Salmon is good). And, of course EGGS are just great (when from humanely-raised chickens).

And then all the legumes . . . and some grains: even quinoa and Black Chinese Forbidden Rice have a good protein content.

Vegetarians and vegans should consider supplementing TAURINE, as well as B-12 and L-Carnitine.
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http://icmr.nic.in/ijmr/2006/august/0804.pdf

THE REQUIREMENTS OF PROTEIN & AMINO ACID DURING ACUTE & CHRONIC INFECTION . . .

Anura V. Kurpad - Institute of Population Health & Clinical Research, Bangalore, India 129. Indian J Med Res 124, August 2006, pp 129-148.

- 20 pages

Excerpt:

" . . . In general, the amount of EXTRA protein that would appear to be needed is of the order of 20-25 per cent of the recommended intake, for most infections. . . ."


- Full article at link (or google the title if it does not go through).
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visit http://www.trueprotein.com/ and make yourself a custom formula. I recommend the cold filtration whey isolate with any natural premium flavor (strawberry is my favorite). It is far cheaper than any other source of whey ISOLATE that I know of. (less than $8/lb). Good for people who are lactose intolerant, which is probably most people that are taking antibiotics.

The first time you order you can get a plastic bottle, and then save money on subsequent orders by just getting a bag and refilling the orginal bottle.

Oh yeah, the other thing about whey isolate that's great: the source really doesn't matter. All those pesticides you're worried about? All gone when the fat is removed.

Whey CONCENTRATE, on the other hand, still has significant amounts of lactose and fat in it, being only about 80% protein. So beware of that.

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I am interested in this. Is there one that taste pretty good, that doesn't have to be mixed with milk?

How much and how often do you drink it?

I have a lot of muscle wasting and wonder if this would help to rebuild muscle?

I also try to eat foods that are high in protein, but still don't think I get enough protein.

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I am looking into this brand, ImmunoPro Rx (thanks to Carol in PA).

http://www.iherb.com/Well-Wisdom-ImmunoPro-Rx-10-6-oz-300-g/4797?at=0

It looks like it has good reviews, is organic, and people say it tastes okay.

What do you guys think?

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I was wondering where you have been.....looks like at the gym!

Glad you're feeling better

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quote:
Originally posted by kateaton:
I wish I could take it. I bought 3 expensive containers and I react to it. For me, I think it's a dairy sensitivity issue. I do not do well with casein and they include non fat milk in the ingredients.

sorry to hear that, its really helping though
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quote:
Originally posted by Bugg:
Lymeherx-

That's great! Which whey protein do you take and how much per day??? What symptoms does it help with??

You may have seen this similar thread i wrote about this:

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/92406#000000

it helps me feel alive first of all, and it takes away my post exercise pain because its feedling my muscles.

Some use it for glutothione production which has shown to kill or eliminate mycoplasma infections with just whey protein alone.

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I use Gold Standard Whey Protein and any whey which both taste great.

To the any whey I add splenda and water, it tastes like a sweet milk shake.

I take 2 scoops after excersice, yesterday because I pushed myself hard I had to drinks last night. Thats 80 grams of protein post work out!

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quote:
Originally posted by sutherngrl:
I am interested in this. Is there one that taste pretty good, that doesn't have to be mixed with milk?

How much and how often do you drink it?

I have a lot of muscle wasting and wonder if this would help to rebuild muscle?

I also try to eat foods that are high in protein, but still don't think I get enough protein.

In my opinion YES take the WHEY!!!!!!!!!! It is formulated today for almost %100 absorbtion so its going right to your muscles.
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quote:
Originally posted by Lauralyme:
I was wondering where you have been.....looks like at the gym!

Glad you're feeling better

keep in mind im on Klonopin and Triavil at night and cymbalta, adderall during the day.

Still watching my diet for NO sugar and supplementing protein is working.

I dont care if the diet seems weird or unhealty.

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quote:
Originally posted by lymeHerx001:
I use Gold Standard Whey Protein and any whey which both taste great.

To the any whey I add splenda and water, it tastes like a sweet milk shake.

I take 2 scoops after excersice, yesterday because I pushed myself hard I had two
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drinks last night. Thats 80 grams of protein post work out!

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your body can only absorb 30-40mg at a time of protein

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quote:
Originally posted by djf2005:
your body can only absorb 30-40mg at a time of protein

what does that mean? what does at a time mean, during 1 hour, during 1 second?

Whats the deal with that quote....

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If its not absorbed then what does it turn into
?

Fat? Stool?

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LymeHerx-Thanks so much for answering all of these questions...very helpful!!!

Do you happen to have a link to the study you referenced regarding mycoplasma and whey? I would love to read this.

Also, do you take Vitamin D and calcium? If so, how much of each every day? Thanks!!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by Bugg:
LymeHerx-Thanks so much for answering all of these questions...very helpful!!!

Do you happen to have a link to the study you referenced regarding mycoplasma and whey? I would love to read this.

Also, do you take Vitamin D and calcium? If so, how much of each every day? Thanks!!!!

Dr. Cheeny found the results

http://www.gethealthyagain.com/autoimmune.html

about 3/4 down the page they mention it.

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lymeherx, how long you been doing the whey? I am very serious about trying this soon.

I guess it is safe to do while on antibiotics???

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about a month I have been doing it

I only eats veggies eggs and whey

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So can you post your direct source? or where your getting yours?

I had just started getting some samples to try it out and not sure what brand to go with

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I get mine from VitaCost

Gold Standard Whey
http://www.vitacost.com/Optimum-Nutrition-100-Gold-Standard-Whey-Protein-Vanilla-Ice-Cream

This stuff really tastes the best...and "any whey" is another brand.

Dr. Cheeney seems to push his own special undenatured whey thats very expensive.

I have been experiencing results with just a high quality over the counter whey product like the ones above.

I encourage you to try. I can feel my strength again. My body feels more in balance with eating this off balanced diet IE high protein 0 sugar!

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quote:
Originally posted by sutherngrl:
I am interested in this. Is there one that taste pretty good, that doesn't have to be mixed with milk?

How much and how often do you drink it?

I have a lot of muscle wasting and wonder if this would help to rebuild muscle?

I also try to eat foods that are high in protein, but still don't think I get enough protein.

By the way, the good powers only mix with water because they contain such high protein that the milk wont take any more [bonk]
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off to the gym
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Sweet, thanks for relaying this. I just got a tub (damn are they big) of gold standard in to start on.

Some -really- interesting data out there about how unique Glutathione deficiency and addressing it is, to people in our shoes.

I'm surprised this isn't mentioned more actually.

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Yes Im suprised too! I feel like I have a new life. Though its a weird diet.

But the benefits of working out 1 hour a day and loosing fat far outweigh the risks of whey. hehe

remember to take it one an empty stomach so its fully absorbed.

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lymeherx I use a great protien powder ves pro nitroplex which I find cheapest at online world.

What bothers me is that that you are on Adderall which is a pure clean amphetamine salts which I have worked with before. I would like to see how you do without adderol as it can be a false feeling of being well. For most people at some point in time one will get a crash from taking amphetamines for a long period.

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Just as a note to those taking whey:

If you tolerate it well, great! But take note, processed, isolated whey protein usually has forms of processed free glutamate (the harmful part of MSG). If you're like me, if you take processed whey of any form, you get anxiety, depression, insomnia, and other issues similar to an MSG reaction. I ran into this issue when taking loads of the stuff as a supplement while weightlifting (nothing to do with Lyme). I switched to egg white protein, and had no effects from that.

Again, if it works for you, awesome! But if you have these symptoms, maybe I can save you a lot of suffering by noting that that processed glutamate might be the culprit. For more info on the topic, see www.truthinlabeling.com and http://www.truthinlabeling.com/II.WhereIsMSG.html.

If you do end up switching to egg white protein because of this sensitivity, several brands will work, but many of the flavorings they use in protein powders contain the same old processed glutamate, so you might try unflavored. I can recommend egg protein powders in PM if anyone cares, but don't want to sound like a spammer here, so I won't [Smile] .

Good luck!

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LymeHerx001,

Do you know for sure that it's the Whey that is helping you? Did you add anything else around the time you started the whey? Just wondering, since you also changed your diet and I saw you're on the Adderall too.

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Congrats on working out again! It's the best! It took me years to get back to exercise again, but when it happens, it's like...amazing! Exercise is the key to recovery, no question.

Whey is very good indeed.

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Hoosiers

The whey actually makes the amphetamines work even better as raising your glutathion helps the adderall by giving your body more energy. I know I have done the same thing of taking adderall and good protien powder.

It was a great feeling while it lasted.

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Awesome! Whey protein did nothing for though. Wish it had helped. I found any protein if it is good quality is just as good as whey. Good for you!!!

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I use a protein product from www.livingfuel.com

It's very user friendly for people with food allergies.


And yesterday... I played pick-up basketball games for 1 hour at the gym.

I'm so excited that I got through it. And actually felt really good afterwards.

(My heart was racing a mile a minute while playing though. I take being "out of shape" to another level lol)

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How much should we take. 2 scoops of gold standard a day about right?
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I take 2 scoops before and after. It depends on how much pain your in.

Im still working out every day for 45 minutes strait with a high intensity.

It trully is a miracle.

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Some people also take it before bed. But if your taking it theraputically, dont eat any food with it.

This way it will be %100 absorbed, food tends to acidify your system and push the protein through faster which isint good.

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still working out
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Im still working out but I havent lost any weight. Ahh!

Darn Zyprexa, thank god Im off that now

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its true, when you feel better people ignore you. So actually right now Im in a lot of pain from eating too much pastry today and lack of sleep last night.

Im still pondering the gym...........................

My body says no but my mind says ADVIL!!!

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Glad you're able to work out!...thanks for the updates....
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yes, and Im doing better that Im working out.

Maybee its the cymbalta?

I do hope Im getting better and its not the drugs.

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Yes the adderall gives you a false sense of well being. I wasnt aware of that when I first started. Well now I just take it to be functional. I still feel better and still work out and after my workours I feel the best, especially when I hit the sauna.

So yes, pure amphetamines do make you feel BETTER, I wouldnt tell anyone not to try them for improving mood. They dont last all day but I dont really crash from them either and Ive been taking them for a year.

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