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average joe
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Anyone know of anything to help this? Pretty bad especially in right ear

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Are you on zithromax... and/or do you know why this is happening? Old damage, new symptom.

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No not on z-max yet. Just on amox right now. I've always had mild ringing in my right ear but this is loud and annoying drivin me nuts. I just started on the amox a few days ago and ringing has gotten much worse since. Also have fullness in ears like I need to pop them. This a herx thing possibly?

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If you can correlate it to med use, then it's probably from that.

My chronic tinnitus responded to PEMF treatment. Stands for pulsed electromagnetic frequency. It looks like a little box, we hold a white coil and it puts out e-m frequencies. The one I was exposed to was 500-700 gauss strength.

I only had the chance to do 10 sessions. The tinnitus went away for 6 hours after each session.

An area LLMD surmised that it was calming to the nerves.

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www.ata.org

AMERICAN TINNITUS ASSOCIATION

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Specifically for LYME patients - lots of details about ears and what can help:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=065801

Topic: TINNITUS: Ringing Between The Ears; Vestibular, Balance, Hearing with compiled links - including HYPERACUSIS
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Sweet oil--a few drops in each ear-- works wonders on me.

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I have had ringing in one of my ears from hearing loss but the zithro has built it into a roar. I expect I will be nearly deaf in that ear before I finish treatment. I am used to it. It is my new norm, just like all the other lyme symptoms I have learned to live with.

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nefferdun,

Actually, both temporary and permanent deafness has occurred with zithromax. ANY changes in hearing should be reported to one's doctor. There are other choices.

Anything that increases tinnitus to a roar has potential to cause deafness. Or, it could be that some non-essential meds or OTC products are cause of a cumulative effect. Even aspirin is ototoxic and, if combined with other ototoxic meds, increases chances of damage. Acetaminophen also adds to the mix as it's very hard on the liver.

Many can take zith just fine but as it clearly is going the other way for you, please talk to your LLMD. Of course, lyme can also damage ears and lyme (and coinfections) must be treated. But there are other choices.

Ear damage can not only affect ability to hear, but also the ability to even think, write, read, talk and walk - really. Permanent vertigo is not fun.

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PubMed Search:

Azithromycin, tinnitus - 4 abstracts

Azithromycin, hearing+loss - 12 abstracts

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10778901

Ann Otol Rhinol Laryngol. 2000 Apr;109(4):435-7.

Irreversible sensorineural hearing loss as a result of azithromycin ototoxicity. A case report.

Ress BD, Gross EM.

. . . We present a case of irreversible sensorineural hearing loss due to azithromycin ototoxicity in an otherwise healthy woman following low-dose exposure to azithromycin.

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Details on how to help prevent that with liver support, etc. is in the LymeNet Tinnitus thread, linked in earlier post above. However, even the best liver and kidney care may not be enough and a different medicine may need to be used to prevent (further) hearing loss of vestibular damage.

Here are just some of the ways damaged ears affect nearly everything we do:
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http://www.vestibular.org/vestibular-disorders/symptoms.php

VESTIBULAR SYMPTOMS
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As mentioned above I currently am not on zithro. Right now just on amoxicillin. I dont start the zithro for another month which I'm half afraid to start now after reading up on it lol.

I have taken zithro in the past without any problems but it was always for a short time.

Bottom line is that I can't really pinpoint anything other than switching to amox. That is the only thing that really changed. I've checked around and can't find anything anywhere that suggest amoxicillin can cause this.

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Joe,

If you took zith just fine before, it will likely be fine for you - with proper support and avoiding added stress to liver or kidneys.

Be sure to avoid in-the-ear pods for music listening. Those can cause tinnitus, as can cell phone use. If you use a cell phone, do you normally use your right ear? The ATA link above has other details on what can cause, and help, tinnitus.

Are you taking good liver support? (The Tinnitus thread has a full section on that.) Amoxicillin is not listed in the book I have on Ototoxic Drugs (Bauman). For non-ototoxic meds to cause tinnitus, that could just be from the herxheimer effect of more toxins in your body.

Also know that when on antibiotics, our ears can be damaged from sound at much lower decibel levels than usual. Hearing protection is important even when around a hair dryer, blender, vacuum and certainly when around lawn and garden tools, traffic, etc.

Liver support can help to decrease the toxic load. So can gentle exercise, warm (not hot) baths, massage, water, more fiber in your diet from lots of colorful veggies and low-sugar fruits.

Magnesium intake may need to be increased to about 1,000 mg a day. Take up to bowel tolerance and then back down from that.
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http://www.mbschachter.com/importance_of_magnesium_to_human.htm

The Importance of Magnesium to Human Nutrition

(thanks to Carol in PA for this link)
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Is there a quick easy answer to adrenal and liver support as far as nutural supplements go? I tried to follow the other posts for that but get confused as some of them require too much concentration for me to deal with right now.

This in itself is a shame because I used to have a memory like a steel trap. Now that steel has alot of rust holes and my mind wonders all over the place lol. I realize thats part of this and will get better.

What works well with minimal side effects? What brands are good?

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ADRENAL support: Start with Cordyceps (Cordymax is suggested by Dr. B). This helps adrenals and lungs.

Then Siberian Ginseng (Eleutherococcus senticosus). Ashwaganda can be added after a while.

LIVER support: Milk Thistle, NAC (N-acetyl-cysteine). But if on mepron, you may need to alter that. Take timed away from both Rx and probioitics.

MAGNESIUM and TURMERIC will help nearly anything and everything.
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But, the thing is to take this or that to relieve this or that symptom is just too American and too pharmaceutically-trained.

Much regarding adrenal and liver support takes bit of reading to learn how to take care of our bodies. Self-care in an integral part of any support supplement. It's also vital to read from many sources before taking anything. It's good to understand the nature of these herbs and what to expect and how to respect them.
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