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I heard a radio show about a month ago. A radio show selling a book on how to get rid of pest problems, stated that nematodes were used to get a certain kind of pest. the Nematodes can be purchased from some source, and used for this purpose.

the entire book was about how to get rid of pests 'naturally' w/o use of or minimal use of other dangerous methods(e.g.chemical).

Please pass this on. I just recalled havign heard this nematodes association.
I believe its a priority search lead to investigate, and should lead to productive results as to causes of Morg.'s dis.

Thanx


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I know very little about this bizarre Morgellon's phenomenon. Is there published evidence saying it is caused by worms?

Willy Burgdorfer found "exceptional" microfilaria (microscopic worms) in deer ticks in Shelter Island. I have sometimes wondered whether a Lyme-altered blood-brain barrier could allow microfilaria to enter the brain and develop further.

There are also scientists who in recent years have conducted studies deliberately inserting nematode worms into ticks as a means of tick control.

Here is Burgdorfer's abstract on the Shelter Island ticks. Wonder why this work was never followed up. Or was it?

Lisa

J Parasitol. 1984 Dec;70(6):963-6. Related Articles, Links

A microfilaria of exceptional size from the ixodid tick, Ixodes dammini, from Shelter Island, New York.

Beaver PC, Burgdorfer W.

Thirty or more microfilariae 0.70-1.32 mm in length were recovered from the hemocele of an unengorged adult tick, Ixodes dammini, that was collected from vegetation on Shelter Island, New York. Among approximately 500 I. dammini collected from the same area only 1 other was similarly infected. Outstanding features, in addition to size, were absence of a cephalic space and the presence of nuclei in 2 or 3 irregular rows extending to the end of a bluntly rounded tail.

The microfilariae apparently were ingested in a blood meal that was taken when the ticks were larvae or nymphs, and had persisted alive without development.

PMID: 6527192 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


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thanx for post Lymerayja

back tommorow if possible. gotta go for now


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How creepy. All this stuff they find in ticks, but testing for even one thing is full of controversy. No wonder we have all these weird symptoms and treatments don't work as advertised.

I think the word modern has got to be retired and never again used in a medical context.


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quote:
Originally posted by Lymerayja:
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Is there published evidence saying it is caused by worms?

Willy Burgdorfer found "exceptional" microfilaria (microscopic worms) in deer ticks in Shelter Island. I have sometimes wondered whether a Lyme-altered blood-brain barrier could allow microfilaria to enter the brain and develop further.

There are also scientists who in recent years have conducted studies deliberately inserting nematode worms into ticks as a means of tick control.

PMID: 6527192 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



first, I haven't researched the subject, but there must be loads of stuff published on there existence, but in non-human biological journals,arcane to us and probably most maintstream med. journals.

Second, compromised BBB or not, imo, microfilarial probably would invade the brain.

Third, since ticks are infected with nematodes, then this might support, albeit not definitively, the validity of Morg.'s existence.


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PQ, when you say "there must be loads of stuff published on their existence", did you mean the existence of worms in ticks in general, or worms involved in Morgellons?

There is nothing in PubMed at all about Morgellons as far as I can see.

As for microfilaria infecting the brain, I dont think it's possible to generalise because different microfilariae will behave differently in the human body. But the type of nematode worm infestations that are very common in the west (as opposed to Africa or Asia) do not cause neurological disease. Or so mainstream medical thought says anyway.

The common worm infestations in the west (roundworm etc) aren't believed to infect the brain under normal circumstances. They mainly cause gastro-intestinal symptoms.

Remember, the blood-brain-barrier of a healthy person without Lyme can normally keep out bacteria and viruses, which are much tinier than the microscopic worms. But a BBB damaged by Lyme could be a different story perhaps?

The nematode microfilaria Willy Burgdorfer found in ticks was a "muspiceoid" nematode. At the time he found it, this category of worm was not known to infect humans. However, more recently, for the first time, it has been found that worms of this classification can infect humans.

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first, I haven't researched the subject, but there must be loads of stuff published on there existence, but in non-human biological journals,arcane to us and probably most maintstream med. journals.

Second, compromised BBB or not, imo, microfilarial probably would invade the brain.



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Lymerayja,

I really don't know much about the subject of worms, and microfilaria to say anything substantive/definitive.

I surprised no one has addressed microfilaria in ticks, esp. since Willy Burgdroferi identified these as well. I'd presume that if microfilaria are in ticks and one gets bitten then its only wise to assume--in the absence of---lab proof, that one has been infected with them, as well.


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I hear through the grapevine (sorry to be so vague) that indeed the microfilarial worms, or nematodes, are being found more often in tickguts now.

So, like all the other coinfections, I suspect it is getting more common, you're vaccinated with a nice spectrum of organisms and esp. if you live in a hotspot, you're going to be repeatedly vaccinated by repeated tickbites.

Morgellon's, from what I read, people had little fibers coming out, not worms. I don't think this is so hard to figure out. I don't know how the crap got out in the first place, but we have engineered bacteria to produce fibers and in fact the textile industry is/has been working on this. There were even two cases recently in the medical literature on people being infected with bioluminescent bacteria. I don't know if this is experimental stuff that got out through sloppy safety standards, if somebody is experimenting, or if in some cases its just mutation of organisms previously not pathogenic or infective in humans becoming so, global warming, who knows what.

The whole thing is too gross to think too much about.


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I made a separate post on papain being an anthelmintic. I found this in the Mercl index, and gave the reference.

I haven't been to the Morgellon's site in over a year. I would think that by now some lab would have analyzed these fibers for their structure, and to see if they're an organism.

I would be surprised about infection with bioluminescent organisms, since they're naturally ubiquitous throughout the biological realm from sea to land(lightening bugs).

Since WWII,if not before, they've been a research topic of great interest by the U.S. military, and other countries.

Most, if not all advanced undergraduate chemistry, biology and biochemistry courses have at least one experiment involving bioluminesence.

I've neither read nor heard of biolumin. organisms as being weaponized, if thats whats implied. imo, impractical, inefficient, cost prohibitive,maybe.


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I did not say the bioluminescent organisms were weaponized.

Organisms evolve.

Here you go:
http://staff.bath.ac.uk/bssnw/asymrev.pdf

My point being, lots of weird stuff can infect us.


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Oxy,

agreed. lots of weird stuff. when initially infected,and given what ticks are, and how they live, i presumed almost from the begining that i probably was infected with a host of microbes, other than those that were lab-"confirmed," and newly discovered; pathogenicity was the question, and what was i infected with---the known and the unknown.
Burrascano's mention on "...mixed skin pathogens..." in his guidelines,and the Roadback.org,and similar sites like the latter seem to recognize the weird bugs with which one can become infected.

Secondly, I meant to say I would NOT be surprised if we people were infected w/ biolumin. bact.

sorry, i thought you may have implied weaponization, along with your other point(s).


will check your link, thanx.


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Publications by W. Burgdorfer and more: http://tinyurl.com/c3vff
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