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shazdancer
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Transcripted excerpt of a video on Encyclopaedia Britannica Online:


Reporter Lundgren: Dr. Raymond Dattwyler is chief of the Lyme Disease Clinic at University Hospital at Stonybrook on Long Island, New York. His team probably treats more patients than anywhere else in the country.

Dattwyler: Lyme disease may be the great masquerader of the 1980s and 90s in that it can do almost anything.

Lundgren: Specifically, Lyme has been known to cause arthritis, meningitis, encephalitis, heart block, numbness, paralysis, mental confusion, and memory loss. It is carried by this deer tick, tiny as a grain of sand and harder to spot than the common American dog tick. As you walk through the grass, it can fall on your body. And if you don't pull it off, the tick can bite you. This is the germ, shaped like a corkscrew and called a spirochete, first cousin of the spirochete that causes syphilis, and equally elusive.

Dattwyler: Once you get Lyme disease or once you get syphilis, the body's immune system doesn't deal with it terribly well. It doesn't clear that, uh, spirochete from your body, and you can be infected for, virtually forever.

[ 29. October 2006, 11:50 AM: Message edited by: shazdancer ]

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You might want to change "heart clock" to "heart block" for the newbies here!

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shazdancer
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LOL, heart clock! Oh gee, I musta been pretty tired last night.

Fixed it, and added the other quote from Dattwyler.

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Shaz darlin' -

Is there some place on the web I can see/hear this interview?

Keep those discrepancies from the idiot crew coming!

At least we can say this is NOT a boring disease.

Hugs & [kiss]

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This comes from http://www.britannica.com/ in the Academic version, which I was able to access through my university. Check your public or academic library to see if they subscribe (it's $70 a year for an individual, but they have a free trial if you want).

The full-text article is not much, less than 400 words. Actually pretty accurate, except they call the infectious tick Ixodes dammini, a term that hasn't been used in years, since they determined that I. dammini was the same as I. scapularis. I wrote them about that -- wonder if they'll fix it?

There are 2 brief videos, that look like they may have come from Good Morning America. That's where I got the Dattwyler quotes.

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Collecting evidence like this is important, in my opinion. I am surprised that no one has done it systematically yet. One way to approach the collection is to use the lymeinfo files and look for the names of the bad guys as authors.

It would be very revealing to have a document contrasting the "then" and "now" views of the same person. Maybe starting with IDSA guideline authors and consultants like Sigal, etc.

Maybe we should prepare a list of these people, starting with

Dattwyler
Steere
Wormser
Coyle
Feder
Shapiro
Sigal
etc

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This was done for Dattwyler a few years ago. See the following annotated bibliography:

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Oasis/6455/dattwyler.html

(scroll down for the good stuff)

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ldfighter, et al...

Thanks for this link! Great stuff.

My deadline for my next PHA (www.publichealthalert.org ) article is right around the corner, and I intend to focus on how "big business" is a determining factor in how/why some of these screwball ID docs skew their "research" and the new guidelines based on how it will essentially benefit them.

I realize there is a long Conflict of Interest file to go through - but would really be eager to receive help with any additional evidence that would help me support the angle that...

Before Dr. dumbX believed one way about Lyme
THEN
when Dr. dumbX discovered he could make money through (name of company; gov't grant; etc.)...
NOW
Dr. dumbX belives...(a bunch of stupid crap)


Does that make sense? And who wants to help me find my way through this fog?

I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed with life right now - so if anyone wants to spoon feed me...

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