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2roads
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I would like to know exactly what is going on in the body, and what causes it.

To me, asthma medication is to breathing as pain pills are to Fibromyalgia. A band aid for an unknown cause and treatment.

My daughters boyfriend has asthma since 6 yrs old. He is now 16.

He is trying to convince her she has it. He even gave her some of his inhaler tonight after she had a hard time grasping for air after swimming the 500 free style.

She took it. I am so mad.

That is a steroid....she can't have that. If this is some chlorine induced issue, then she's done swimming. Her immune system is shot because she doesn't eat right, sleep right or do stress relieving exercises. She has alot of pressure on her as HS swimming is starting, and she's the best free and fly the team has.

I am so mad.

I can't take any more health issues.

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2roads,

i don't know the cause either but a few years back finally dx w/asthma too.

those inhalers work WONDERS FOR ME! this is 1 time i'll take steroids for that and plugged up nose.

my cpap has made it better for me not coughing all night long and not being plugged up while sleeping.

hope this helps you a little; they are good for my health. go figure [Smile] hugs/kisses

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Betty,

What would you say were your asthma symptoms?

Plus, how can this be because it is a steroid?

My daughter gets out of breath. She said the tightness was just above the breast.

Thanks the big bronchial tubes up there isn't it?

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...most importantly, how do you diagnose it???


RRRRRRR [rant]


Thanks Betty [kiss]

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Don't know how to dx it, but I had the rush me to the ER via ambulance for over 40 yrs type asthma. (Inhalers, steroids, o2 etc.)

In my research I discovered that certain worms migrate to the lungs before they settle in the small intestine.

I am asthma free and on NO meds for it since I treated myself with antiparasitics and salt/c. I really believe parasites/worms to be a major factor in asthma. Hope this gives you some insight,

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In a good number of cases it appears that allergies are the cause.

And it does'nt have to be just airborne allergies. I know swimmers that hane become allergic to chlorine after a while.

You may want to explore www.naet.com about allergies and non-drug treatment for them/

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FYI..

Allergies are on the symptom list for parasites

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Gael I did not mention that 'cause you had.
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I just don't understand this.


I have spent 7 years unravelling the mystery of lyme to have my daughter falling on her face this weekend at a swim meet due to this onset of asthma.....what the U*(&POI&_)(*U_)

This is a child who had such a future in swimming, to just crash...and from what.....another mystery diagnosis????I hate life

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...now I gotta find a reason for this and a cure...

I don't believe in swimmers asthma. I mean, I know it exists! But what the hell is it? How can it just turn on?

I am so sick of fighting health. I want to be left alone!!!

Why am I always tortured

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Hey 2roads,

I think that I can offer a little info here. I was an athlete my whold life. Never had asthma or asthma symptoms.

Cut to the last 3-4 months. I have had trouble breathing, chest pressure, shortness of breath. I thought that it was 'just babesia'.

After some really scary symptoms, my doctor decided to schedule me for a full pulmonary function study..this is what your daughter will need in order to diagnose or r/o asthma. It is about an hour long test.

Lo and behold, I came up as asthmatic. 50% function of my small airways, other 50% NOT working.

I then went to an allergy/immunologist to determine if there was an allergic component to the asthma. R/O that. So on to an inhaler I went.

I discussed at length with the doctor about lyme and steroids not mixing. He rx'ed me an inhaler that he thought would be the least amt. of steroids for starters. It is called Flovent.

If you have asthma, it really is a necessity to get the inflammation down in the airways. If you do not treat, the airways can scar and then we are in even bigger trouble.

I have used the inhaler 2x day for almost 2 weeks now and do not recognize any adverse affects as far as my TBI symptoms go. He also gave me an inhaler to use pre-exercise called Xopenex HFA. I haven't exercised (can't at the present time) so I can't tell you how effective this might be.

I hope that this info helps. I think disease (TBI's) may be responsible, but who knows? Bottom line is that this should not be ignored. The small amt. of steroid is a better alternative than not breathing.

Good luck and I hope that your daughter will be able to have a wonderful swimming season.

I would get her tested asap,
Feelfit

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2 roads, i logged off right after i posted my comment early this am so just getting on today.

feelfit gave you a really good explanation; she and i went thru basically the same thing ... the extensive testings.

xopenex is what i use at night when i'm plugged up! just used it last night again.

i became short of breath alot and the other symptoms she discussed above.


check out this NIH asthma link from their medical library ..

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/asthmainchildren.html

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That is just it.

Here we go. The separate assessment of asthma. I am grateful that there appears to be a test...thanks Feelfit and Betty.

Then, could it be TBD's? More tests, more doctor. We all know that right Kathryn. That possibility is unceasing.

Then could it be parasites. Well, that's just treatment. No reliable test. Right Gael?

....I told her to stay out of the woods. I told her not to go to the great LeBeau Lake house or the park in the woods, I told her to eat healthy and made all good foods she threw away. I told her to sleep and use relaxation techniques she never bothered with.

I told her to take vitamins and pay attention to her immune system.

Now her boyfriend tells her to use his asthma medicines.

I tell her to take the damb Zithromax for two weeks knowing that I am starting another battle but with the other child.

Bang my head

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ps- Funny, when we took her for her health physical for high school swimming, she marked on the form no breathing probs during exercise or there other. That was 4 days ago.
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Hi

I have asthma. I've had it my whole life. It runs in my family. So whatever causes it seemes to be genetic (unless that was just a fluke- my family is super spread out, so it's not related to where we live).

I've tried looking into it, but it was a while ago. I read something that said as air pollution increased, more kids were being diagnosed with/born with asthma.

Inhalers are much safer than other forms of steroids, because they are in much lower concentrations.

Also- you can develop ashtma at any age, or grow out of it. And it doesn't necessarily happen every time you do an activity.

When I was younger, I had to use an inhaler ever morning (and maybe more often, I don't remember) and bring it to school with me.

Now, although I had asthma during rigorous exercise, I don't get it otherwise. When I get asthma, I can feel my throat closing up, not just the lack of air. It's not tightness in my chest.

I find that doing activities which give me asthma (swimming, running, etc), or activities which emphasize breathing (playing an instrument, singing) really help.

It wasn't until I joined my Junior High band that my asthma really started to improve.

Dr.'s are usually really good at diagnosing asthma. There are tests they can do. If you daughter does have asthma, treating it could make her feel a lot better. When you aren't getting enough oxygen, you have no energy, and feel terrible.

I don't think anyone except a doctor can really tell you if it's asthma or not.

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I think feelfit mentioned it.. It's basically due to inflammation in the airways. Could be from allergies, could be from LYME. (or other infections, etc)

Also.. there are two kinds of inhalers. I wonder which one he gave her?

There are steroid inhalers and there are rescue inhalers like Proventil. You have to use the steroid inhalers for several days in order for it to do its job .. so if he gave her that, it wouldn't have worked very well.

SOME steroid inhalers DO have the "open airways" action .. so if he had one of those, it would have worked for her.

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Hi, I've recently developed mild asthma symptoms since stopping my lyme meds for two months.

My symptoms are very similar to my hay fever symptoms i usually get around July time.

I've never had this in late October before. It's also not exactly the same as my usual allergy.

I had a yeast problem and I'm wondering if it's the remnants from that or Lyme spirochaetes causing an allergic reaction in my airway/lungs - who knows.

My regular doctor has prescribed me an inhaler as an experiment - diagnostic tool.

I said if the inhaler is steroid based I couldn't have one. He reassured me that is NOT STEROID based.

So as Lymetoo said some of the inhalors don't use steroids.

The one prescribed to me is salbutamol sulphate based http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salbutamol
and is called Ventolin Evohaler 100 micrograms. http://www.ventolin.com/

I've never used one before and haven't tried it yet. Maybe tonight I'll give it a blast if I need too!

I also know someone who's son used possibly the same one between the ages 6-16 and is now 23 and is asthma free.

Just a point that these things don't seem to be addictive [Smile]

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2 roads, I don't have a great answer, just a long one..

My grandmother had allergies to dust and feathers. My aunts all had some issues with some of this and codene. My mom seems to have seasonal allergies only.

I on the other hand have been diagnosed with exercise induced asthma, sleep with a C-Pap and take allergy meds. With allergy tests, I have a basket full of things I am sensitive to. I only take meds as needed, mostly seasonaly and do not do hard exercise due to this and a major surgery.

Both of my children have allergies and one has been diagnosed with exercise induced asthma. She could have been a state cross country runner before this and the worst of her tick borne symptoms set in.

I suspect some of this is genetic due to the above info..But I also wonder if mold isn't a big player. My lymie gets as sick with mold as she does due to Lyme. Pools and locker rooms are cesspools for Mold.

Good luck..But at the least no one should be giving her meds without testing and a drs orders. lmt

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I have recently been researching asthma for my sister, and came across this: Chlamydia pneumoniae.

You can read more about Chlamydia pneumoniae, asthma, the research on it, and the doctor who wrote the studies and treats C.P. successfully, at http://www.asthmastory.com/steps.asp. I don't have personal knowledge of this, or the doctor, but I thought it might help you in your search.

Good luck.

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Lf,

thanks for that but the link doesn't work. Sure would like to read that article as I have Chalmydia pneumoniae too.

Thanks,
Feelfit

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I googled for asthma and white blood cells. The one that came up is eosinophils, one of the granulocytic white blood cells that release toxins from its granules when irritated.

Says eosinophils accumulate where there is a reaction in airways to irritants, and that their toxins can damage the airways.

I am not a medically trained person - just looked this up just now.

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I found the link: www.asthmastory.com after reading, I find it very likely that my newly diagnosed asthma is caused by TBI's/virus...esp CPN since I am positive for it.

Robin, interesting about the eosinophils. My blood smear from Clongen also noted high Eosinophils...My blood draws for eosinophils, however, have been in the normal range?

I would bet that our asthma, diagnosed while TBI infected is a direct result of the infections. So technically, get rid of the infection and breathing should be easier.

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I posted in this thread a while ago and just thought I would let you all know what the cause of my asthma type symptoms actually were.

A cat allergy! Just 2 hours per week in a friends house who has one cat caused my symptoms!!!

The cycle was:

1. Visit friends house Thursday 8pm ish for two hours (not touching the cat as I knew I was allergic but only it making my eyes go bloodshot and itch).

2. Air hunger starts 10pm on the night of the visit - I would breath but didn't feel like I was getting enough oxygen and I had a slight wheeze.

3. This would last for three days or more.

4. Then develop into a ruttle on my lungs and hard to shift phlegm on the lungs. This would last for up to two weeks to clear.

5. Repeat the cycle before it had got better - so I never got better.

I have stopped visiting the house and alls well - 'perfect' breathing again. My friend call on me the other day and just the fumes from their clothes gave me minor wheezing later in the day.

This is an eye-opener for me - Never underestimate allergies!

Bottom line ... If you have asthma get allergy tested just in case.

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Asthma is an autoimmune disorder. I have had it all my life and just recently was told by a physician that it is autoimmune. It makes sense, since I do go into remission with it from time to time.

And of course autoimmune means, they don't know what causes it. Anyway, I would say "something" causes your body to attacks itself. And with asthma it attacks the bronchial tubes.

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Body misidentifies cat hair as a threat. Body overreacts + inflammation occurs.
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WELL...I've been thinking. Year after year, we dragged our family to the Yosemite Valley Floor for tent camping. I got Fibromyalgia, headaches, degenerative disk disease and severe arthritis in my neck, now presumed from a long, slow brewing Lyme infection, and I believe it.

Animals are ALL OVER the campers, stealing food, and posing for photos. They're NOT wild, and they're NOT on Frontline, and Northern California has become endemic right behind Connecticut as birds migrated west.

At age 8, my son developed severe asthma, and ADD. Hmmm. He's 21 now, and better, but one has to wonder. Oddly enough, he stopped having acute breathing crises after he took up smoking. YUK!

Still this baffles me, and I suspect he'll be hit again down the line if he doesn't stop.

Hey, Rember Nicole Bottles? Google: W5 CA Out of the Wild. She is very ill with Lyme and says, "Well, I have breathing problems. That was the first thing that started."

It's a great report. One of the best I've seen.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20091113/w5_lyme_091114/20091114?s_name=W5

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Thanks everyone.

I am going to print this out and look over it with my daughter.

I do believe there are underlying issues.

She is seemingly okay right now, but that could change. Especially when she swims, she seems more winded then she ever used to.

Thank you all so much-

2roads

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asthma can be a genetic disorder called
alpha one antitrypsin deficiency.

There is a cheap labtest at any lab for alpha one antitrypsin.

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Inflammation

The root of all evils.....

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Chronic inflammation,
should be looking for the cause of that instead of masking symptoms

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inflammation is it! The odd thing is after 9 mos. on IV antibiotics (especially Claforin) mine went away and now it's back!

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