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dogmom2
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Okay, maybe it's the dumbest idea ever, but this is the stupidest problem ever.

My neighbors refuse to turn off their hot tub at night, it runs much of the day and night. They have no sympathy for my situation at all.

It's not so loud that it would bother anyone else, it just creates a pulsing hum under my house that's like listening to a washing machine agitator all night(and day).

The obvious solution is to move but rents are so high where I live, that I would have to pay at least $500 a month more. That would make things difficult.

If I offered them maybe $100 a month for their "trouble" would I just be embarrassing myself further?

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I don't know??? I would offer less and settle for $100. Offer $50. They might take the money and then not follow through, so you don't want to lose too much to them.

Remind them that turning it off would save them at least another $50 a month in electricity.

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I think you have addressed this issue with them before....
Can't remember what they responded....

How about a timer? could you pay for a timer to be installed so it went off automatically? Don't know much about hot tubs

Is there a noise complaint you could look into? If the city has a complaint system, look into it. Then say to offending neighbor"I could report this, but I would rather resolve it, could we talk about it?"

Do they need a cover? Why do they keep it on all night?

Just throwing out some thoughts. I know it is challenging.
A noise covering sound maker with a noise more pleasant ?

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I would not offer money to my neighbor to do something they should kindly do. Would save them money if they turned it off when they went to bed.

Just my two cents worth.

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I really don't understand this. I have a hot tub. It cycles on and off throughout the day (when I have it up and running).

When it cycles on, it literally lasts for a few minutes then shuts down. There is no reason for a hot tub to be running all day and night.

I wouldn't offer them money. I would approach them and ask them if they realize that their tub is running all day and night.

Whether they do or not, I would let them know that it is affecting you and I'd ask if they could turn the tub off at night.

I wouldn't discuss them saving money and I wouldn't go into detail about your health either.

If they push back, I would emphasize that the tub is affecting you negatively and that you'd appreciate it if they could at least turn it off at night.

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I think she's already done that.

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I already had the sit-down with them last year explaining how it affected me and my health. They claim it doesn't work as well unless they run it the way it is, whatever that means.

I only asked them to have it off when they weren't using it at night. I can't use a sound machine( I used to be able to) because it makes my tinnitus much louder and higher pitched.

They didn't really set it up this way, it's like that automaticall,it runs 9 hours on 3 hours off in 2 12 hour cycles a day. they are just unwilling to change it. When the power goes off it just restarts it's typical schedule from whatever time the power goes back on.

I guess they've already given me their answer and money probably wouldn't change anything except to maybe give another story to tell their friends about their crazy neighbor.

I just hate to have to pay so much to get away from them. Thanks for listening anyway, can't really talk about this with the "normal" health people in my life.

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I do know what you mean about noises that most people would not notice. My refrigerator at night has a sound that I can hear all the way in the bedroom, and some nights have to get up and close the kitchen door.
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Ugh. So sorry. I really hate noises too. I notice what no one else does so I understand what you are saying.

But I don't understand their hot tub schedule. I wouldn't know how to program mine if my life depended on it but all I know is that it's not on all day and night. Every few hours it does its thing for a few minutes and that's it.

Maybe you can ask them to speak to their hot tub people??

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No. Then it becomes YOU CAUSING THIS problem. Not their behavior - or product - that needs some adjustments.

It's a terrible precedent to offer them anything. It's a bribe, and they will have so much control over you then to make any kinds of demands.

I would talk with your city council members first, and perhaps a community mediator who would become educated in the health risks their behavior &/or lack of equipment and noise abatement.
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I would try talking to them again. Ask them if they can speak with the people who service the hot tub and if/when the program for the hot tub can be reset/changed so it wouldn't go all night.

IMO, it's counterproductive to engage local government in this situation. In my experience, local government ... well, I could go on, but I'll spare you all. And odds are, there is no "community mediator" worth a damn in most communities.

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I'm sure you have probably tried this, but, what about ear plugs? I wear ear plugs a lot, and no they don't block out everything, but it's a notch down.

Cork on your bedroom walls? I think that's a method of soundproofing....

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Could you run a fan at night?

Maybe the white noise from the fan would cover the noise from the hot tub.

IMHO, I don't think you should offer money to these kind of people.

Chances are they wouldn't do their part anyway.

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"I would try talking to them again. Ask them if they can speak with the people who service the hot tub and if/when the program for the hot tub can be reset/changed so it wouldn't go all night.

IMO, it's counterproductive to engage local government in this situation. In my experience, local government ... well, I could go on, but I'll spare you all. And odds are, there is no "community mediator" worth a damn in most communities."

I agree. Explain that you can't sleep and haven't found any way to mask it.

If it costs to reprogram it, offer to pay to reprogram.

I wouldn't rely on them to turn it off at night. It sounds like they don't care and any amount of money won't guarantee they'll comply.

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Can you find out what kind of hot tub it is, maybe a plaque on it or something? Then check online and find out the specs on it. Figure out if the timer is a separate device or something that is built in. Find out if it can just be reprogrammed. Every timer I have had has been easily reset. But some people don't know how to do anything like this.

If you had all the facts, you would be in a better position. They probably don't know anything about it, had it installed and never did anything else.

If it really has to be on that long, which is doubtful, you may be out of luck.

If the timer is not built in, and it is not reprogrammable, what would it cost to get one that is reprogrammable. That would be cheaper than moving.Then maybe approach them with a nice big box of chocolates, and plead with them, offer to get a different timer. This would be hard to resist except for some dopes and mean people.

Anyway, if you have the facts in hand, you are in a better position to negotiate, and it may just be that they don't know much about operating hot tubs.

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I agree with others, do not offer them money!

I would get a note from your doctor (any doctor), stating your hearth concerns.

Then I would bring the note to your town-hall/city-hall and report the problem.

With some luck like (Dogsandcats) mentioned, you'll be able to report a (noise complaint).

Good luck,
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I agree with others. Don't offer them money.

They already sound like they have made up their mind about it.

Are these your landlords? Or in a nearby apartment.

Nothing fixes a hotub issue better than a cracked shell.

Just sayin'

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I know you said you have tried noise machines- thought maybe these might be different....

http://sound-machine-review.toptenreviews.com


http://www.amazon.com/Ecotones-Sound-Sleep-Machine-ASM1002/product-reviews/B002SMJQT4

http://mynoise.net

Sorry you have to go thru this on top of everything else.

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For anyone who is tortured by the vibration of a motor, most fans, most "noise cancellation" machines can also cause torture and heart issues, adrenal issues, etc. I am one of those.

Even small motors just nearly kill me. And it may be hard for some to understand there is often no way to cancel the vibration. Earplugs may help but often not much and can make it worse.

The vibration travels through BONE, through the NOSE, too.

I am away from home, able to stay in friends' house while they are on vacation. I don't have access to my notes and can't type much on this tiny keyboard.

So: web search: SUPERIOR CANAL DEHISCENCE

YouTube search: THE MUSICIAN WHO HEARD TOO MUCH -
ABC segment.

get evaluated only by someone recommended at the SCDD supporter group. - find them with a web search. Most ear experts have no clue about this - fairly newly discovered.

Still, do not make this YOUR body issue with neighbor or mediators. It is noise / vibration that could bother anyone. Decibel meters won't measure vibration and it can be impossible to sound proof your house. & vibration proof even one room in your house.

But they could get better motor, secure it in special vibration reducing casing, etc. I could see being willing to pay the very vetted "expert" a partial fee toward this - not the neighbors directly, though. But really, anyone who makes noise that travels to others is generally responsible for that just not happening if it

impedes the peaceful enjoyment of others. Of course, lawn care, certain upkeep and a few other things within reason can be understood but ongoing vibration pollution should not be something any good neighbor would want to impose on others.

In the end, I do think it's best to move. I doubt they will budge. And if they are forced to make what they see as concessions, they seem the type to make you pay in other ways. Bad vibes of a different kind.

Find the closest inner ear disorders support group to you for other leads.
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are you in an apartment or condo? if so homeowners assoc would surely help.

if its a dog then hey they come running. why not for noise.

but don't pay them cause who knows? they could start mowing their yard at night or whatever to get more money. I agree, no no...

looks like city hall or a lawyer.

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yeah, you're right, I won't offer to pay them. really it is an act of desperation. I've been biding my time that last year hoping some compassion would seep into them, but it's not going to happen.

I'm in a 3 bedroom house, and I can hear it from each bedroom, often I sleep in the living room where I can barely hear it.

Their response at the time was anger that I was stressing their whole family out about being quiet. The only thing I ever asked of them was about the nighttime hot tub issue.

I think it was Maya Angelou who said something like: when people show you who they are, believe them.

I just will have to move. Thank you so much for listening, even my BF who lives with me just doesn't get it, so I really needed the support.

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Connect your local lyme support groups & the area inner ear disorders support groups for living ideas.

Shared housing may be an option - best to look into an organized group IF it has certifications, recommendations, etc. and has a contract for each party in the residence as to the ambience agreed upon.

It's often easier to move with a friend to a new location so that the ground rules are set from the start. "Rules" there being the kind assurances each will have that home will be a nice environment to live.

Moving in with a friend, though, would need much thought and talk about not just household / domestic expectations but also the parameters of the relationship. Either party may not be able to be a full time friend.

On the other hand, sometimes it's easier to move in with a stranger (who has referrals) so the interpersonal dynamics are on equal footing.

Look to groups that you may also be drawn, AWAY from health matters - such as hobby or reading, poetry groups. Like minded, like spirited folks.

If there is a "community" of, say, "tiny houses" or the like, that could be an option if they all agree on the ambient levels regarding not just sound but motor vibrations.

Scout out ALL businesses for large exhaust or refrigeration / AC / Heating ventilations systems -- and any business overnight delivery patterns.

Bus brakes and such can be very unnerving, too. Keep a distance from bus routes.

Be mindful of any wind farms - and check local jurisdictions for any plans in the works. Some wind generators are also in some urban locales. If so, get the mfr. detail and research the sound/vibration matters. Some are better than others.

Also ask yourself, though if typical window or house AC units would be tolerable. If not, consider at least where current models may be mounted in regard to your quarters. For at least 2 bldgs away in all directions.

And the FRIDGE in the house, too. Fridges can be a might tricky.

If in multiple unit bldg. LISTEN to the EXHAUST fan. Fans left on for hours at a time by my neighbors deliver much vertigo, nausea - & harms my health long afterward -- from 11 well past midnight every night. It vents under my bedroom and the whole apt. shakes, too. Ear plugs make it worse, makes more dizzy and disorientated - as my brain & whole body is literally being hit with strikes of air.

Some fans are just fine. Just be sure to consider this. Fans are necessary to help prevent mold, though I find just leaving my bathroom door open and not going all sauna when I shower keeps me from having to even turn on mine.

And, I assume you already have discussed this hot tub issue with your landlord and they did not offer to help? If they could, it might help. And, if you tell them and they don't help at least in some way, it might be enough to get out of a lease.

I love that Maya A. quote -- sure could have saved me much heartache to have realized earlier in my life how true that rings.

Visualize the kind of environment & imagine the sensations of a dwelling / space that will ring true to you.
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Hire a lawyer and have him write them a letter. I would be willing to bet that would get their attention.

They might understand that. Sounds like they aren't going to budge any other way.

Probably less expensive than paying these idiots off and certainly easier and less costly than moving.

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I have air conditoning/heating units under my front room window.

One unit almost runs 24/7. I have times when I was so desperate I have looked into ways to disconnect it but need to cut the lock box lock off or cut the wiring....so decided that was not such a good idea. [Smile]

I think if i just had to unplug it I might have done it as the neighbor has her windows open and her air conditioning unit on so I wondered if she would even notice if I unplugged it now and then.

Poor designing of the apartment units....

I am looking forward to going camping where it is quiet and it get a break from it all.

I also have a neighbor who has yapping dogs. She was reported and did improve ont he situation some.

but, she has gone years with yapping dogs.

The worst is when she gets ready to take them out of the apartment.

One is so excited ...his high pitch yapping is too much.

I lay in bed with peltor ear plugs next to me and put them on when the `10 to 15 min of yapping goes on.

But, I would not be able to wear them 24/7 nor would I be able to wear the hearo ear plugs 24/7.

The rinign in the ears is too much..it is better when I am in the forest for some reason..i get a break from it all.

I wear the peltor ear protection muffs when at the grocery store too and the hearo ear plugs when I take a shower due to not being abl to handle the sound of the water.

Are the neighbors renting?? Maybe they will move?? People come and go here every month vs an area where people own their own homes....less changing of neighbors so frequently.

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Quiet is so hard to find.
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Print out this discussion and send it to them.

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we're just looking for a place to move. they'll never get it.

she even works with special needs kids, so I hope she has more compassion for them that she does for me.

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