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Keebler
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- Oh, my. Thanks so much for this very important link. Provokes much thought. -
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I know!! I pray I did not receive a vaccine while under anesthesia last summer.
I may want to ask for my records.
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Keebler
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- Yeah, good idea to just make that practice these days. Still, likely to be some codes & actions to decipher.
The "buddy system" sounds like a good idea. Instead of just for swimming, it's for all medical interactions. But no one is with a "buddy" at all times in any medical situation.
"Biologics" can include immune suppressants, too. A Google search of the term starts out here:
"Biologics are genetically-engineered proteins derived from human genes. They are designed to inhibit specific components of the immune system that play pivotal roles in fueling inflammation, which is a central feature of rheumatoid arthritis." [from website below]
[remember this is a medical site so a good search would involve various thoughts on the matter, not just one that pushes this stuff.] -
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- Another issue: billing. Some of these can cost a fortune, and drugs given in the hospital can sometimes be substantially higher, like too the moon, compared to the price one might pay at their local pharmacy.
Insurance companies are balking at paying some of these bills and many patients have gotten huge, sad surprises.
If one signs a consent form, they could also be on the hook to pay a fortune for things they aren't even told about. -
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Very scary, because most people would have no idea and if surgery is emergency surgery, no one is going to read the consent from carefully and those who do may not no what biogenics means.
Thanks for the education.
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Keebler
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- It's Biologics, not biogenics, though. And that could be confusing, too. Sounds so natural and good for us like broccoli, eh? The " semisynthesized" element, noted below brings some questions, too.
Biologics are the broad range of allergy / anti-inflammation / immune suppressant drugs so popular now. Those are what the nurse talked about.
"Nurse Warns of "Biologics" & Forced Flu Shots Happening in US Hospitals" -
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- A search at Wiki for "Biologics" brings this:
A biopharmaceutical, also known as a biologic(al) medical product, biological,[1] or biologic, is
any pharmaceutical drug product manufactured in, extracted from,
or semisynthesized from biological sources.
Different from chemically synthesized pharmaceuticals, they include
vaccines,
blood, or blood components,
allergenics,
somatic cells,
gene therapies,
tissues,
recombinant therapeutic protein,
and living cells used in cell therapy.
Biologics can be composed of sugars, proteins, or nucleic acids or complex combinations of these substances, or may be living cells or tissues. . . .
. . . Extracted from living systems . . . .
. . . Produced by recombinant DNA . . . .
. . . These medications are usually one of three types:
1. Substances that are (nearly) identical to the body's own key signalling proteins. . . .
2. Monoclonal antibodies . . . .
3. Receptor constructs (fusion proteins) . . . .
. . . Biologics as a class of medications in this narrower sense have had a profound impact on many medical fields, primarily rheumatology and oncology, but also cardiology, dermatology, gastroenterology, neurology, and others. . . .
[Full entry at link above.]
[While Wikipedia is best as a start to any personal / medical research, I think they do a very good job on some entries.
And it's good to know that the research citations are included at the end of such entries - the footnotes. Those are usually good for the second step (of many more) to gather more detail.] -
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- When I have a question about the safety, reasoning, ramifications of any drug or supplements, I find it's very helpful to first see what Dr. Mercola might have studied about it.
Most Recalled Type of Drug Will Surprise You - 2012
. . . More Than a Dozen Vaccine Recalls
An in-depth analysis conducted by GBI Research looked at the number of recalls for biologics from 2007-2010.ii
Biologics are drugs that contain an ingredient extracted from a "biological" source, such as cells from humans, animals, or microorganisms.
As Pharmaceutical Online reported:
"Biological products and biologics have definite risks, as they are often only partially understood at the time of approval, with a highly complex production and purification process."
From 2004-2010, GBI Research found that biologics recalls significantly increased, but those for vaccines and immunoglobulins were higher than any other drug classes.
From 2007 to 2010, 14 recalls for vaccines and 13 recalls for immunoglobulins were made, for reasons such as: [list . . . and article continues at link above.]
15 Dangerous Drugs Big Pharma Shoves Down Our Throats - 2010
[1/4 of the way down]
Excerpts:
. . . Humira, Prolia and TNF Blockers
Not only are biologics like Humira and Prolia
made from genetically engineered hamster cells,
and not only do they suppress your actual immune system,
but they can lead to tuberculosis, lethal infections, melanoma, lymphoma and "unusual cancers in children and teenagers".
In addition, the Humira warns against the possible side effect of "new or worsening" psoriasis -- a condition it is supposed to treat.
These drugs should be banned. No reason to EVER take any of them as there are loads of natural therapies that are far superior. Please use my site as resource to find out which ones you can use in these autoimmune conditions like MS, RA and Crohn's.Disease) . . .
. . . Boniva . . . biphosphonates . . . .
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She SAID "biogenics" .. so I was going by that. I didn't see the "biologics" in the heading.
Either way, we have enough links now. Thanks.
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- You're so very welcome. Yes, I agree that there is so much we have to know - before - we set foot in a hospital / medical center.
These "Cliff Note" links may save a lot of pain / trouble and the excerpts are especially helpful to outline the serious nature of the topic. Such excepts do save a lot of time for anyone new to this, and it's a handy reference page.
Oh, my. I saw the headline "Biologics" and being very familiar with that issue, did not hear her so many times use a different word.
I am certain she is talking about the drug class of "Biologics" as biogenics does not make sense in this context - or the terms may be tweaked for their purposes to be more vague. I'll try to email the guy who posted this for clarity in that.
The issue of biologics is a very important one. They are the "new steroids" of the pharma world. -
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- Thanks, again for bringing all this to our attention. It's such an important thing to know.
I think the nurse may have just mixed up terms. Since vaccines are in the classification of "biologics" not found under any grouping of "biogenics" and
The "Biologics" headline of the video seems to have provided the clarification, and since "Biogenics" does not come up as a term for any pharmaceutical. A few companies are listed with "Biogenics" in their name, though.
"Biologics" does show up in the FDA.gov search of pharmaceuticals:
FDA Q & A: What Are "Biologics" -
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ive had so many surgeries i cant remember how many so if they give you the vaccine and you dont know it and then your primary asks if you had it and you say no she will give it to you or try to push it on you...how many can you get and it doesnt kill you? i honestly dont believe they check your records my docs can never find anything in my records cuz they are so long maybe i have been given so many flu shots i dont have lyme or mold or head trauma problems i just have vaccine problems
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quote:Originally posted by lpkayak: [QB] ive had so many surgeries i cant remember how many so if they give you the vaccine and you dont know it and then your primary asks if you had it and you say no she will give it to you or try to push it on you...how many can you get and it doesnt kill you? i honestly dont believe they check your records my docs can never find anything in my records cuz they are so long maybe i have been given so many flu shots i dont have lyme or mold or head trauma problems i just have vaccine problems
- Good point. This really is a dangerous practice. This is not to say that every hospital does it, but they CAN IF THEY WANT TO!
I know every time I see a new doctor or go to the hospital they ask me if I've had a tetanus shot and if I've had a flu shot. Next will be the pneumonia vaccine since I'm now "old." lol
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