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Tincup
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I've been researching the links between cancer and Lyme for a good while as too many people are getting Lyme and then being diagnosed with "cancer".

The basics from the scientific research is....

Lyme causes inflammation.

Inflammation is involved with cancer as are infections.

Cancer is being treated as a infectious disease with Doxy.

Inflammation is also being treated with Doxy.

If you go to www.MarylandLyme.org and type in cancer doxy you will pull up about 20 search results.

To get you started, everyone should read this...

https://sites.google.com/site/marylandlyme/lyme/cancer-doxycycline-studies

Here is more on prostrate and breast cancer...

https://sites.google.com/site/marylandlyme/lyme/cancer-doxycycline-studies/prostate-breast-cancer--doxycycline

And one more on treating cancer as an infectious disease...

https://sites.google.com/site/marylandlyme/lyme/cancer-doxycycline-studies/treating-cancer-like-an-infectious-disease

The rest of the search results are on the site linked above.

I've personally seen this approach work on both animals and humans.

Robin4857365693- If you'd be so kind as to add the links to the cancer series we watched I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

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That's downright amazing.
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I remember that doxy blocks mmp9 and some others parts of cytokine cascade, reducing inflammation.

I think we could be helped a lot by applying the various "natural" modalities of treating cancer to healing the body from Lyme.

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Tincup,

thanks for all that detail. Very interesting - and no surprise (well, other than that some are starting to look at and approach it with a wider eye).

As gz points out, there are many more ways to address inflammation - and other aspects, too - that don't carry the side effects of doxycycline (such as candida issues). For starters:

PubMed Search of medical literature:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Berberine

Berberine - 4035 abstracts

Berberine, inflammation - 189 abstracts

Berberine, MMP9 - 9 abstracts

Berberine, cancer - 587 abstracts

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=121034;p=0

BERBERINE – LINKS SET


The same sort of cross searches yield good results with andrographis and also with allicin.

Stinging Nettle Leaf is also a wonderful herb to help decrease inflammation and calm the cytokine cascade.

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Oh, my Lord, TC, you are amazing! How do you do it all??!!

I knew that Lymphoma, esp, is common with Lyme, but figured that it had to be relatively common. I haven't found it recently, but remember the then high school girl that did the study with maps of

people with MS overlapping with people with Lyme? She also found the same areas commonly had breast cancer, and maybe other cancers. I can't find it now on the web, though, as the links no longer work.

Keebler, the same goes for you. You are a treasure. Thank you both.

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Here are the links to the notes for Ty Bollinger's series interviewing experts and patients on natural treatments for cancer - this is for the first one, Quest for the Cures Continues - an 11-part documentary:

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/3/34905

And here's the 2nd one, a 9-part series, in which Ty travels internationally to interview experts and patients who have successfully treated cancer.

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/3/35581

Their message - cancer is not a death sentence if you start to do some of the things these folks did to beat it.

Also, I'd say a preventive lifestyle would really help too, especially related to diet.

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There's another series I'm recommending as well - Razi Berry's Natural Cancer Prevention Summit - she interviews lots of experts about what to do naturally when facing a cancer diagnosis. www.thecancersummit.com - all summits can be purchased.
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Thank you all for adding good info to this post! Hoping folks will now have some options and get some decent help.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/health-36479291

Study says a major blood cancer is 11 distinct diseases

By Adam Brimelow - Health correspondent, BBC News - 8 June 2016
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Yes if hpyori can cause ulcers stomach cancer than k yme n co can cause .....?1+1=2

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Thank you, TC, Robin, Keebler, bluelyme, and gz.

I've been hesitating to take doxy in the summer, due to the sun sensitivity issues, and have been considering other abx (spell check made that abs!) until the sun is not so intense. But I should probably reconsider that.

I already have been living like a mole, due to not being able to get out too much. Plus, I have to be very careful about sunburns (I'm very fair and already had many pre-cancerous lesions on my face, plus 2 that were clearly cancerous (all gone now).

The doxy sun sensitivity is not sunburn; it's a chemical reaction on the skin that is quite severe (never had it, thank God). You can get it just from having your hands on a steering wheel with no gloves in

the middle of winter!! It is very, very painful and scarring, too. Sunblock doesn't prevent it. When I took doxy one summer, I never left the house until dusk, covered up, with sunblock and a hat, long

sleeves. Pretty tough for someone who is completely isolated as it is
and who lives in a city away from nature, other than parks, which I rarely can manage to walk to.

There are other abx to help with the TBD's & cancer though.

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My question for myself is whether I should take doxy in the summer (given the sun sensitivity issues) or another abx that has been shown to have the anti-inflammatory properties that are good for cancer.

As I said above, I have just been diagnosed with breast cancer (!!!) on top of TBD's and Complex Regional Pain Syndrome/ Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy. Basically, that's horrific nerve pain from TBD's + injuries + surgery (horrible injuries and surgery).

Of course, I'm not asking for medical advice, just trying to weigh the benefits & risks. I've taken doxy before in the summer, but lived severely like a mole---which I mostly do already, due to all of the above. But I'd like to have a tiny bit of outside in the summer.

Saving my life, of course, is the most important issue, just weighting it all---doxy vs another abx.

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We had a very ill member here years ago that many of the wonderful members went to a LOT of trouble to assist personally.

Once we got the person an appointment, paid for it ourselves, set up transportation, and even got the meds that were prescribed, we learned that they would not take the Doxy because they liked to drink milk and they couldn't while taking Doxy.

I pointed out they still could drink milk, just wait an hour after taking the doxy. Their response was they wanted to drink milk when they wanted to drink it and not be restricted on times when they could and couldn't.

Doxy is the antibiotic used in the studies that was successful. If you think another antibiotic should be used, do that instead.

If it were me, I'd take the doxy. And I have suffered 3rd degree burns from the doxy/sun exposure (had to work outdoors all summer), but I'd still chose to take it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tincup:
We had a very ill member here years ago that many of the wonderful members went to a LOT of trouble to assist personally.

Once we got the person an appointment, paid for it ourselves, set up transportation, and even got the meds that were prescribed, we learned that they would not take the Doxy because they liked to drink milk and they couldn't while taking Doxy.

I pointed out they still could drink milk, just wait an hour after taking the doxy. Their response was they wanted to drink milk when they wanted to drink it and not be restricted on times when they could and couldn't.

Doxy is the antibiotic used in the studies that was successful. If you think another antibiotic should be used, do that instead.

If it were me, I'd take the doxy. And I have suffered 3rd degree burns from the doxy/sun exposure (had to work outdoors all summer), but I'd still chose to take it.

Point completely well taken!!! That sounds terrible. Of course, it's far more important to LIVE than to worry about the sun issues.

I just reread the NIH study and concluded, yes, of course, I need to take the doxy, plus probably zith. The macrolides do give me worse tinnitus, which is already quite bad. But last year, I chose

to carry on with Biaxin anyway, because I had to get over the TBD's. (Keebler, I know that will bother you; it's not great, but . . .).

The reason I was hesitating on the doxy is because my life is so terribly abnormal (for 11-1/2 years at least): I hardly ever go anywhere or see anyone, except my husband & medical appointments. Almost

never get to see sun, trees, lakes, etc. I live on the 7th floor in a city. Oh, well. Lordy, TC, that sounds terrible about the doxy burns that you got!!! Does sunblock help prevent that at all? Or
not really?

Sorry to be dense about it. I thought maybe another abx in the same class. But when I looked at the study it was clear: that's the one they really studied the most. So, bingo.

Thank you for bearing with my denseness/ resistance! Onward and upward. [bonk]

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Dense? Who you? Nah, it is more like you are...

A couple of eggs shy of a dozen. Or maybe a few ants short of a picnic. If that is too hard to understand...

You are a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

Heck, but you do have an intellect rivalled only by garden tools. Pretty good, huh?

And, not to worry. To us you have been as useful as a screen door on a submarine.

So what if you don't have both oars in the water! Or all your cornflakes in one box. No one here thinks you are as dumb as a corn cob. Oh no!

Someone did say you are dumber than a bag of rocks, but don't you believe them! Just because your elevator doesn't quite make it to the top floor means nothing to us.

You probably just forgot to pay your brain bill.

Or maybe as a child you fell out of the Stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down. It's not your fault!

Just because your cheese has slipped off your cracker doesn't bother us. Just turn your porch light back on dear one.

And think positive! If brains were chocolate, you would have enough to fill an M&M! How special is that?

And just think, if brains were gasoline you could ride a moped around a fruit loop with no problem!

And if brains were taxed, you'd get a rebate!

If stupid were a talent, you would be considered gifted.

Just because one-celled organisms can outscore you in IQ tests, not to worry. You are proof that evolution CAN go in reverse.

Friends have told me it takes you 1-1/2 hours to watch 60 minutes, but that's ok...

We love you anyway!

[lol]

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Actually, I was going to say, before the rest just rattled out...

[lol]

To protect your hands from the sun there are some Bamboo Work & Gardening Gloves for Women & Men, Protective Second Skin Working Gloves.

I saw them for about 9 dollars- a good price- check Amazon. They were made by a company called Pine Tree.

The person is using them and loves them! Even when driving, especially when driving.

They already had 2nd and 3rd degree burns on their hands because- NOT like you- they were one sandwich short of a picnic and didn't listen to me.

They also now make 200 spf sun screen, but I bought them...

Banana Boat Sunscreen UltraMist Sport Performance Broad Spectrum Sun Care Sunscreen Spray - SPF 100, 6 Ounce

They hate wearing sunscreen. But, they are using this product.

PLEASE don't think you can't go out. That's sad. Just take precautions. OK?

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Ok, thank you, TC. That's precisely why I was hesitating on the doxy; it just seemed so darned sad.

So, I guess sunscreen helps, hats, long sleeves, gloves help. I guess swimming is out, I presume. they do have the SPF long-sleeved shirts for that, but that doesn't get your face & neck & hands.

Gloves while swimming? But face & neck are an issue. Maybe no swimming is the deal. Not that I go often, but I love it. BUT I don't want the burns, that's for sure.

I need a full body suit, including the face and neck---ha, ha! I'd sweat bullets. I already am having horrible full body sweats constantly from going off the bio-identical hormones.

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BTW, TC, I love: "You probably just forgot to pay your brain bill."
Ha, ha! Yup, sometimes I feel that way, esp when I get up.

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Something else to consider, the spooky2 is helping people with cancer.

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Thank you, Catgirl What forum(s) are you on about it?.

I actually have several rife machines and PEMF devices. I am going to at least use the PEMF device(s), an ozone generator that I have, and if I have time, a rife machine.

I'm trying to figure out my plan of action, knowing I can only do so much time/energy-wise.

I used to be on Lyme and rife forums, but haven't been in a long time. The cancer, although related in a way, is a different thing. Mine is very fast-growing, so there is no time to waste.

I've already way upped my detox, changed my already good diet, etc.

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For those who need emotional support you can call the American Cancer Society 24/7 and speak with one of their volunteers.

They are NOT familiar with Lyme and in fact I wouldn't bring that up. If they are like the MS Society- if they hear the word Lyme they will dump you like a hot potatoe and treat you like a toad with 6 heads.

For cancer patients they offer transportation to/from appointments, emotional support, help with day to day expenses- meds, copays, rent, utilities, etc.

They don't offer "alternative" info/treatment. They do have doctor referrals if needed.

I’ve contacted them 2 times over the years and they’ve always been VERY nice and quite helpful. Resources (financial) we don’t have in the Lyme community they do have.

Quote- "Our phone lines are open every minute of every day to help give people the answers they need about cancer. Each year, we provide free information and support to the nearly 1 million people who call us at 1-800-227-2345."

Here is a link to their contact info page.
http://www.cancer.org/aboutus/howwehelpyou/helpingyougetwell/need-answers-1-800-227-2345

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See, I was working on this at the same time you were asking! Wow! One of us must be a psychic. The other must be a psycho.

Let's flip a coin, shall we?

[lol]

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Here is the link that will provide all the updated information and I've organized it so it can all be accessed from this page. Finally.

https://sites.google.com/site/marylandlyme/inflammation-cancer-doxy-lyme

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Going to add another link here - it's the 3-day symposium that Ty and Charlene Bollinger organized with over 40 top health speakers on beating/treating cancer mostly naturally,

with lots of tips for healthy living and also what to avoid. It took place near Dallas, TX Oct 14-16, 2016.

I think the link is www.ultimatelivesymposium.com - it's at the site, www.thetruthaboutcancer.com

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