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Bartenderbonnie
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I want a stinking sandwich !
Grilled cheese.
Ham and cheese.
B.LT.
Reuben.
Tuna fish.

What bread can I have if I have been eliminating all flour and sugar ingredients ?

Can I have corn flour products even though it has flour ?

What is the science behind flour causing inflammation and candida ?

What brands should I buy ? Please not a 5.00$ loaf of bread.

Can I have a small portion of bread but eat something with it to counter act the metabolism aspect of it ?

Any suggestions would be most helpful. . .

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I use to have Udis brand bread, but might be close to $5.00 fo a small size load.

I also tried Ezekiel bread, but its not gluten free. It's made from sprouted grains to old fashion way and suppose to be better for you.

Lately when I have an urge I use a real low calorie wrap. Josephs brand come to mind.

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A stir-fry might be a better way to go. Be sure that any sauces used are certified gluten-free, though. Soy sauce has gluten. Some wheat free tamari does not. Same taste.

Many articles and information organizations links here that explain so much about food additives.

And unfortunately, ham, bacon, some processed cheeses also contain things that can be too much for those dealing with lyme. SULFITES . . . If you are going to eat ham or bacon, best to get from a place like whole foods where you can be sure it's not from factory pigs and also not processed with extra sulfites.


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=029690;p=0

Excitotoxins; MSG; Aspartame; & "Natural" Flavors (that are not likely natural at all).

GMO foods that destroy the GI Tract; Gluten; Dairy -- and phlegm / inflammation connections.
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For practical shopping suggestions, get to know those in your local / closest and also your state CELIAC SUPPORT GROUPs for suggestions on local brands that are

certified GF. Most breads that are GF are awful. There are a few very good ones, though, they won't last long unless frozen by the next day. GF breads do not work well in the fridge. Your celiac support group nearby is the best person to person guide.

Corn - corn can be okay for some, yet it can be very much phlegm producing and "gum up" ears, lungs, throat, gut and cause inflammation in body, too. At least be certain it is GMO-free and has no gluten ingredients if you are to eat corn.
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http://canyonglutenfree.com/

CANYON HOUSE gluten free bakery. Excellent breads here. They have a caraway seed one a friend brought me a couple years ago. That has the taste for a reuben sandwich -- if you have a healthy source for the beef, of course.

https://canyonglutenfree.com/buy-gluten-free-bread-products/Gluten-Free-Rye-Deli-Sandwich-Bread.html

Gluten-Free-Rye-Deli-Sandwich-Bread

Deli Rye Style (but no rye as rye has gluten, the caraway is what makes this work).
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Also be sure that any mustard or other condiment is certified gluten free. Again, your celiac support groups and websites in that first link above can help guide you.

This really matters. For the neurological damage that gluten can cause to some individuals, it can go on for up to six months after even a trace.

You should be assessed for celiac, of course, yet, for anyone ill with neurological and a demyelinating disease such as lyme, it's best to be gluten free until well into a good solid remission, even if not a "true" genetic celiac.
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http://www.marysgonecrackers.com/

Mary's Gone Crackers

Organic, Gluten-Free, non-GMO, whole grain, Vegan, Kosher

for crackers which have an excellent glycemic index -- not for the sugary cookies, though (dark organic berries would be a better choice due to their more favorable glycemic index)

Many options, you might start with:

http://www.marysgonecrackers.com/

Caraway Crackers have a rich, nutty flavor reminiscent of your favorite rye bread.
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All this must be a shock yet, it will be worth it to have as "clean" as possible all food sources. Anyone with lyme is dealing with an incredibly toxic set of infections and damage to all body system's operations.

The best, cleanest foods will help our bodies work as best possible and give the treatment options the best chance so that not just treatment money is not flushed down the toilet but also that there is a better chance of success.

And . . after the initial shock you may very likely enjoy a revised way of approaching foods.

I contend that whatever (previously dodgy) food you desire, there is a healthier way to achieve a similar (often better) flavor experience.
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Regarding ham, bacon that you mention -- and why I suggest only buying any meats from animals raised in humane methods and the healthiest conditions / diets. It may cost more to get organically grown meat but if we eat less and gain more from it, it can be so much better to build the cells of our bodies.

As well, look to plant sources of protein such as legumes to include daily. Despite their reputation of being "starchy" Legumes have an excellent glycemic index and can be good for any meal of the day.

Just a start as to why "factory" industrial "farming" of animals is so very bad in so many ways. Just the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. There are many more out there like this, with cattle, too.


http://factoryfarmdrones.com/

Aerial footage: Smithfield Foods Factory Farms - Pigs - Ham, Bacon, etc.

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Tuna. WILD PLANET is a good clean brand. Often, iHerb.com or www.vitacost.com will have very good prices on such items.

I find mixing with a good olive oil and garden herbs to be very nice.

http://www.wildplanetfoods.com/our-products/tuna/

WILD PLANET TUNA -- their sardines are excellent, too. Read about their practices and then you will also be better able to find other brands which are similarly conscious and safe for us, for the oceans.
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I like the Ezekiel bread, made of sprouted grain. I get other similar true whole grain breads baked at the grocery too.

You forgot to mention peanut butter and jelly, PB & banana, almond butter and strawberry slices... [Smile]

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Ezekiel bread is nice, however, it is not gluten-free. Just important to be clear on that.
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An excellent nutrient balance and great on the glycemic index, too. Still, for moderate use with veggies to take up most of the real estate on the plate at every meal.

Also can find better prices at www.iherb.com and www.vitacost.com

Local stores may also have sales on this from time to time.

http://shop.lotusfoods.com/Organic-Forbidden-Rice/p/[email protected]

LOTUS FOODS - Organic Forbidden BLACK RICE

Also consider the seeds: Quinoa; Amaranth; Millet . . . a grass: WILD RICE . . . a legume: Buckwheat groats (not wheat) . . .
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Some kinds of lettuce can be used as a sandwich WRAP.
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Holy smokes Keebler. . .

Do you know what I ll be doing tonite ?

Reading, of coarse.

Thanks for all the great info.

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Can't believe I went all the way out to the freezer just for you! ~smile~


Like tickbite recommended above....

I recently got a small loaf of good-4-you bread too. The name is Udis. It is gluten free, soft and hearty, whole grain. It is wheat, dairy, soy and nut free.

The loaf is small, 12 oz., the slices are small and it costs more than two loaves of regular bread, but it isn't really nasty tasting, but then I am not a big bread eater anyhow.

It is in a green and yellow package and I found it in the freezer section at Walmart. Top shelf to be exact. Too high cost at some of the local- not real local cause there aren't any- health food stores.

I use it sparingly, due to cost. Enjoy!!!

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Going shopping...

Hey, I had those cute little slices of bread squares in my hands last week at the grocery store and put them back. Gonna try them because of portion size.

Are you ever nosy and look at what other people have in their shopping carts ? Most eat healthy. I always find new things to add to my diet by looking at what ever people purchase.

My new fad is bok Choy, fresh beets and beet greens.

My shopping cart is generally an advertisement for Lyme. Case of bottled H2O, Epsom salt, alkaselzer selzer, fresh fruit and vegetables, emergency-C immune, supplements, and green tea.

Oh, and a little bread today.

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This has nothing to do with portion control.

A little cute piece of wheat bread is still full of gluten. Even a trace - a trace - matters greatly. Really.
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Also be aware that a new law allows some gluten and they can still label a food "gluten free" - these are NOT safe, however for those with celiac. If is it process on equipment that handles gluten-containing foods, it is not safe.

Certification with a special seal on the label matters. Not all foods that claim they are gluten free could qualify for certification. For instance, Rice Dream Frozen product line is one example.

https://celiac.org/live-gluten-free/glutenfreediet/sources-of-gluten/

There are many food items that may contain gluten, often in hidden or unexpected ways.

Always read the label of any food product you buy if “gluten-free” is not specified on the label.

Gluten-Containing Grains and Their Derivatives

Scroll all the way down


https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R1WLXX07ERZUSU/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_viewpnt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B002GWSAKM#R1WLXX07ERZUSU

Shared equipment is just one concern. For others issues, see this very thoughtful review - and accounts of pain - by:

[review header] Rice Dream rice milk is NOT gluten free!, December 16, 2012
By Movie lover

Even though Hain CLAIMS their rice beverage product is gluten-free, it is NOT. . . .

. . . Hain uses a barley enzyme in the beginning process of making the milk. . . .
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It is good to be aware of your GI and post prandal reactions to gluten.

Not everyone diagnosed with Lyme has celiac disease though. I've tested negative for it repeatedly.

I do really well with whole grain foods including wheat. They are one of my most reliable digestible foods.

Dairy is a staple for me too. It is one of the few things that I can digest well too. Good source of protein & calcium too.

These foods make me feel better after I've eaten them.

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You make a good point Sammy. I can easily do gluten free minus the bread! And my body does well with whole grain breads also so sometimes I wonder if I should continue to eat it or not.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

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The thing is that gluten can affect functions other than for GI tract. Any body pain, brain fog, fatigue could be signs of gluten issues.
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Found my bread again today. As I posted above, the name is Udis. It is gluten free, soft and hearty, whole grain. It is wheat, dairy, soy and nut free.

They had family sized loaves today (in freezer section) and I grabbed one. I can not believe...

I just paid $7.97 for a loaf of bread!

Ahhhhhhh!!!!!!! I am crazy!

And it is BB's fault. Been thinking about bread since I read her post! (And I don't even really LIKE bread!)

Especially when it costs THAT much!

[Big Grin]

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Oh, and BB. I know you've been having a tough time lately, so I send you this picker upper song just for strength and fun!

Put on them dancing shoes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dDnv9zeLs

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Too funny, LOVED IT ! [woohoo]
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Even the Ezekiel and Udis are made from flour. That is what bread is, really.

You are probably not interested, but you could find some things that people make where they sprout seeds, and then do not turn them into flour, then mix them together and dry them. They might even call them bread. They can be made into thinlike things. They might be more crisp than really most breads would be. Those will be very expensive, and probably will not remind you of the sandwich you are looking for.

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Michael, Thanks for that info. I guess flour is flour. But no wheat is what we are trying to accomplish- yes or no? I dunno?

Please say yes. I'm still sick about having to pay $7.97 for a loaf of bread. Please tell me it is good for us!

Please?

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BB- hope it did make you smile!

It freaked me out! That's NOT me! Had to watch it about 10 times to be sure!

I've heard the perky, make-you-want-to-dance song, but never watched a video of it. OH MY!

Me a Barbie Doll? Never. Tomboy all the way!

Had to do a double take when I saw her on the dirt bike. Me on a dirt bike? Well...

Yep. In fact, in a back woods place just like that (mountains in West VA)- one week after baby was borne. I thought that was "normal" at the time.

Faded jeans with holes in them in the same spots from over use? And long underwear shirt under a short sleeved over shirt. Well, ok, maybe a few times- a lot of the time.

Shop at Victoria Secret? Well, yeah. They liked me so much they gave me a credit card when I was too young to be buying my drawers there!

I actually hid my Victoria Secret credit card in my wallet so no one else would see it. Too embarrassed! HA!

Was I ever barefooted in my own front yard with a baby on my hip? More than once.

A muddy pick up truck. That's me! In everyone I could be in, including my own.

Motorcycles in my drive way and people inside watching my tv when I'm not home? All the time! Or shall I say- quite often. Still happens. What's wrong with that?

Christmas lights on my front porch year round. Well at least I knew where they were come holiday time!

Strip naked in front of the washer machine so the muddy hiking or playing outdoor clothes can be dropped in there ASAP?

H*** yeah, I purposely moved the washer and dryer right into the bathroom to make that chore easier!

And do I know all the words to every Tanya Tucker, Charlie Daniels and Bocephus song? Certainly, doesn't everyone?

BUT- I finally confirmed it. That's not me! I didn't have Skynard, Kid or Straight posters on my wall!

I had a Billy Jack poster!

Whew!

[lol]

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And I hope after all that, and me being traumatized trying to respond to your bread question, that you finally got your **** sandwich!

[Big Grin]

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https://canyonglutenfree.com/buy-gluten-free-bread-products/Gluten-Free-7-Grain-Sandwich-Bread.html

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Back when I could eat bread.. this was my favorite brand. Very good, not hard and dried up.

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Thanks to all for your blood, sweat, and tears in trying to fulfill my bread obsession.

Tomorrow I shall require gluten free pizza and gluten free beer.

Thanks in advance.

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HA! I have a gift card for Pizza Hut! That ought to do it! We can worry about that gluten thing later!

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quote:
Originally posted by Tincup:
Michael, Thanks for that info. I guess flour is flour. But no wheat is what we are trying to accomplish- yes or no? I dunno?

Please say yes. I'm still sick about having to pay $7.97 for a loaf of bread. Please tell me it is good for us!

Please?

I can't keep up anymore with all the various recommendations the famous lyme docs make.

I know from personal experience that quite a few recommend no wheat, whether flour or not. (Many make this recommendation as part of a no gluten recommendation.)

Some recommend no flour of any type, but not all. Dr. B.'s famous guidelines, linked at top of Medical, recommend for the "Yeast Control Diet" to not eat anything from any kind of flour. I didn't see where it indicated who should go on a yeast control diet.

Things from flour can not only encourage yeast, but also diabetes. Lyme can make one much more prone to diabetes.

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Wheat / Gluten?

Any flour?

Two separate issues that intersect.

The "no flour of any kind" has to do with both, actually but - for some they can be separate.

1. Gluten avoidance - whether in flours, whole grains that contain gluten naturally or even in many of the food additives (such as barley malt)


2. Simple carbohydrate / sugar avoidance -- all flour is sugar, basically. The finer it is ground, the more simple sugar it is and that is very detrimental to issues of candida.
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