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Tincup
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BARTONELLA IN BEE GUTS

This study is helping people to better identify what microbes are in honey bee and bumble bee guts.

I thought it interesting that Bartonella is one of the microbes. Wondering too about bee sting therapy.

Can this bee (no pun intended) a game changer or something to consider?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29608282

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I do consider that a slight concern for those of us doing BVT. But, only a small one that can be carefully avoided. That's why I make sure the behinds of each bee I sting with is clean! If their behind looks dirty, or if they just defecated, I drown that bee and don't use it. There's a good chance the venom would kill a few Bart bacteria that might happen to contaminate the exact sting site. Though, kill rate for Gram-negatives is 52%. This is why we BVT'ers usually have extra Gram-negative antimicrobials on board during treatment. Not so much out of fear of the bee's gut bacteria, but because most of us are already infected with Bart, and bee venom has a lower kill rate against that (presumably). So, it's a concern, but precautions can be taken.

The immune-enhancing aspects of the venom also come into play here too, though! So, overall, not a grave concern.

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TNT
Can't you just use some TP on their butts?

HE HE HE HE!!!!!!!

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Good find, TC!
I am glad I do not have the job of inspecting bee behinds. (I do think bee sting therapy is helpful for a lot of people, TNT.)
and leave it to Maddog to solve the whole problem!

I found the language of the abstract TC found was very colorful, too.
Makes microbiology sound cool!
Examples:
"a toolkit of genetic parts ..." "golden gate assembly"
" resistance markers, promoters, fluorescent reporters" .
" Cas9-facilitated knockout of an S. alvi adhesion gene"
" bee microbiome toolkit (BTK) will be useful for engineering bacteria"

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Very interesting. One of our support members went the bee therapy route.

She did great as her Lyme sx disappeared over months and months of bee stings. Suddenly something else took over.

Bart went crazy in her. I sent her this write up yesterday.

Pam

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