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"Even after appropriate administration of antibiotic therapy, it was revealed, some Lyme disease patients may suffer from delayed central nervous system outbreaks"
American Academy of Neurology 49th Annual Meeting April 12-19, 1997
Lyme Encephalopathy May Surface Despite Antibiotic Treatment
Although timely antibiotic therapy may prove effective in treating early local or disseminated Lyme disease, it may not eliminate the pathogen from the central nervous system (CNS) in some patients, according to Eric L. Logigian, MD, and colleagues, from Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, Mass. Patients who have been appropriately treated for Lyme disease and who report neuropsychiatric symptoms should undergo cerebrospinal fluid analysis, Dr. Logigian recommended. Although early treatment may attenuate the antibody response to Borrelia burgdorferi in serum, Dr. Logigian explained, late neuroborreliosis may occur in some seronegative patients after a latent period of months to years. These were the conclusions drawn from a 3-year retrospective study of 22 patients who met the criteria for Lyme disease established by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, Ga, and who had symptoms typical of Lyme encephalopathy (memory loss in all patients; depression, somnolence, and irritability in 20% to 40%; and headache in approximately 20%). The patients were assessed with enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) and Western blot serum studies, spinal fluid analysis, neuropsychological testing, and brain imaging.
Cerebrospinal fluid analysis revealed CNS infection in 8 of the 22 patients (36%), and "showed significant differences between the patients with CNS infection and those without CNS infection. Only 1 of 8 (13%) of the patients with CNS infection was normal [seronegative], whereas 11 of 12 (79%) were normal in the patients without CNS infection," according to Dr. Logigian.
"Qualitatively, the patients with CNS infection had greater abnormalities: 63% had neuropsychiatric abnormalities, compared with only 36% in patients without CNS infection. Lesions visible on single photon emission computed tomography were much more prevalent in the patients with CNS infection," he reported.
Of the 8 patients with CNS infection, only 2 were seropositive on both the ELISA and Western blot tests. Four had indeterminate ELISA results and a negative Western blot, and 2 had negative results on both the ELISA and the Western blot. "Neither of the 2 seropositive patients had received antibiotics during the first month of infection for early localized or disseminated disease," said the Boston researchers. Of the 6 seronegative patients with CNS infection, however, 5 (84%) had received a recommended course of oral or intravenous antibiotics during the first month of infection. http://www.medscape.com/CPG/ClinReviews/1997/v07.n06/c0706.cnu/c0706.cnu.html#Lyme
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I read this with enthusiasm. This has been the whole point of using questran! The little beastie puts neurotoxins into your system that hides in the fatty tissues. This is NOT found in most testing and certainly NOT mitigated by antibiotics. The reason we can detect them in the VCS test on chronicneurotoxins.com webpage is because the toxins effect the cells in that part of your eye. Your Herxing comes from the toxins being pulled out of the fatty tissues and rehitting you after using Questran, which binds the toxins to flush them out. Please visit the page and read the material. Thanks,
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Steve, Can you post the site where we can find the neuro toxin information? I know you posted it before, but I can't find it. Thx
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Pacbird, that is a very interesting post. Prof. Dr. D. Hassler at the University of Heidelberg teaches the treatment of Lyme and he talks about the "TBE VIRUS" = Tick Borne Encephalitis Virus. The same virus was mentioned in the video on Discovery that probably most of us have seen "Ticks: The Real Vampire". From our own experience and that of an increasing number of others, this would mean that treating not only the bacteria with antibiotics, but also treating the virus or viruses in question with viricides is most important. Neither I nor my husband got completely well with antibiotics only. It took a few natural viricides to do the trick. I am well and my husband is well on his way. That's a heck of a long way from his diagnosis "Parkinsons Disease" which usually only get worse. But even some doctors that don't stick their head in the sand now suggest that Parkinsons may be caused by a virus -- a stealth virus?????????????????????????????????????? transmitted by a tick??????????????????????? (My husband had a positive Rickettsiae test, (transmitted by a tick) and I used to test positive for all Lyme co-infections). I just would like everyone to have their eyes wide open - because suffering is no fun. I did it for too long. Thanks for your post!
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Good stuff, as usual. Tanks Berry Mush!
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What I'm curious about in that document is just how long these patients were treated? It takes a long time to cure neuro-lyme and very few abx cross the blood-brain barrier well. The quote, "received a recommended course of oral or intravenous antibiotics during the first month of infection" makes me wonder - Recommended by whom? "Dr." Steere or Dr. B?
Also, I don't think the visual test on chronicneurotoxins.com is quite that accurate for lyme and I've met others with the same opinion. I have about 18 different visual problems/symptoms from my lyme - grainy vision, strobing/flashing lights, eye pain, floaters, blurry vision - you name it. A retinal specialist told me recently that from an ERG (EEG of the retinas) the cones in my retinas were at sixty percent of normal.
I took the test on the chronicneurotoxins site and it told me I passed and don't have any toxins affecting my eyes... I would beg to differ...
One thing that I find rather odd about that website is that one has to pay up front with a credit card to take the test. I can understand it costs something to store the data for them, but I think if people could take the test without having to store the data - maybe if they paid should they want their data stored, it would come across better. Right now it gives the impression of "give us your money up front - then take the test - by the way you passed the test - bye and thanks for the money!"
I've met people who did well on Questran and I've also met people who got much worse on it. I've been wondering if I should try it, but I'm hesitant to and the $8.95 test that tells me I don't have neurotoxins in my eyes when my eyes are HEAVILY affected by lyme tends to push me towards not trying it. Maybe it could help me, but the lack of free public access to it makes some people wonder about it and I've heard others express that as well. I've found many an opthamologist's website where they have simple visual tests. I've never seen anyone charge for them because they're on there for the common good of patients everywhere.
Another point I'd like to see clarified on the chronicneurotoxins page is the claims of 90 percent success rates in patients with lyme. Myself along with others have wondered "Define success - as in people get better completely or they notice a slight difference?" Out of the 90 percent, how many have their symptoms go away completely? And out of those, how many have their symptoms stay away too? Maybe Questran helps people a lot, I don't know, but I think the presentation of the information, as in seeming too good to be true, and the monetary charges involved make people naturally more hesitant to believe in it. If, let's say, only 20 percent get to feeling pre-lyme, then good, let's see that info. That would still be something people would consider trying because it would sound more believable. If indeed 90 percent of people were cured, then we'd probably all hear a lot more about it - not to mention Dr. B and big LLMD's would be singing it's praises to high heaven. Makes sense?
Another important point about it is if, let's say 20 percent get to a full cure, but it's touted that 90 percent are cured, this could be dangerous. Right now insurance companies will grab on to anyone who says that lyme is easily cured. They hold on to Steere's claim of three weeks of antibiotics only can cure lyme. If they think 90 percent of all lyme cases can be cured with Questran, then they might use this as another excuse to deny that chronic lyme infections exist (which they do of course), thereby giving them more fuel in attacking our LLMD's. If it is 20, or 30, or 40 percent, then I hope it could be presented as such before we give more fuel to the enemies of Dr. B and others.
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Gigi, I agree with you. No one really knows what is transmitted by the ticks outside of the known TBD's. Back in '96 I was reinfected with Lyme, although I didn't realize it as my tests were CDC negative and my doc said it looked like a spider bite. I was treated by my Naturopathic Doc with antivirals and antibacterials for Chronic Fatigue(Lyme). He uses a Vega diagnostic device which showed viruses along with bacteria. It took 9 months of treatment but he got it under control. It stayed that way until '99 when I erroneously took the vaccine, which apparently woke it up with a vengance.
My daughter's symptoms drastically improved with the addition of Naturopathic remedies to her abx. I really believe we need to approach this disease from many angles to achieve success.
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