Will abx help this? It's not a good outcome if it is not lyme related from what I've read.

I've already have had to have a pacemaker put in my daughter, and now my son is going through hell.

Because of his bi-polar symptoms he so far has refused abx.

Any advice out there?

It is hard to get a child to take meds even when they are not depressed or manic. Do the meds for Lyme conflict with the mood stabilizers? Some of the abx could make the depression worse, at least temporarily. Does your son refuse the medications for Lyme because of the Herxing (die-off reaction), how they make him feel, or do you think his mood makes him behave defiantly?
It is important to have a behavioral program for him so that the "good stuff" is contingent upon his doing the basics like taking required meds. This may be an issue where the school psychologist or another professional can help with ideas to make him more likely to take the meds. I'm sure you have tried lots of things! Keep trying...and hang in there! You are asking the right questions and dealing well with a very difficult situation!
Wishing hope and healing for you and your your family.
Pippy

I know it is not exactly the same, but my 7yr old has been dx with "ADHD".

That what even lead me to asking her ped to test her for lyme.

I do believe that the symptoms she has of ADHD are many that will go away when fully treated. She is on her 3rd day of abx. I think on the second day I could see a different little girl, but she went away last night in her sleep.

I would say she is not much different than being bi-polar.
I just pray that I will wake up to a "normal" and happy little girl one day. She deserves it!

I can tell you from experience that I was diagnosed at least once as bi-polar...the manic episodes and followed by the depression and I did'nt want to take anything psychotropically speaking either. I tried to convince the ducks that there is a bug in my brain and all I need to get better is antibiotics...I wish Pippy was with me when I had to talk to the psych director at Brecksville veterans admin in Ohio. My shrink would not allow me to discuss my lyme disease when it came to why she and I were haveing difficulties...I actually obeyed her and did'nt get anywhere...boy behavioral psychs and such won't believe there is an actual biological problem at the root of behavioral upheavals...

That said...I finally agreed to lexapro as a ssri....started slow...it seems to keep me from going to the extremes and does'nt mess with my ability to perform sexually(which can be an issue with teens not wanting to take mind masking drugs). I have taken a lot of different psychotropic drugs and I find this one the least invasive for me.
I probably need it less when I'm on abx's but at least it seems to be getting me through the times in between...he may be easier to handle on this drug and then perhaps he will agree to abx's. It won't zombie him out like some of the others I've been prescribed have done to me.It may give him a dry mouth symptom and perhaps nasea which may be a problem. I don't even know if it's recommended for kids. A child shrink would be able to tell you that and may recommend it. Especially if the shrink does'nt believe the lyme is actually to blame.

For some reason the lyme inerferes with our abilities to bounce back from depression or mania and only abx's have calmed me down. Flagyl will or should take care of the mania but I became lethargic on it and more than a little depressed.

Good luck and God Bless the zman

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It is highly documented.

The author, George Eby, was also the developer of zinc lozenges. He is brilliant.

Bb, uses Mg - our supply - in its enzyme reactions. We need Mg to make HEALTHY antibodies (along with Ca), to control over 350 enzymes, to repair DNA, to make ATP!

The % of Mg loss is astounding...fast.

Find my "Updated Nutshell" post and scroll to the last page. Find the RECENT abstract from a Romanian cancer hospital and do the math...

They CURED 2 lyme patients by using abx. and RESTORING the very deficient level of Mg.

Young children have a higher % of Mg in their systems...esp. bones...this makes the bones softer.

Less CoQ10 = more sensitive to glutamates.

Thanks everyone for the replies. I just had to go to another city 8 hours away and spend three days trying to convince him to come home.

He was swinging through periods of manic high and his depression.

I think his refusal to take meds is as a result of his last ordeal with biaxin...he hated the metal taste in his mouth. He is deathly afraid of needles, and he equates illness with the need for these or other meds so therefore it is easier for him to deny it exists.

Now that we have him home, we are adding a condition (carefully of course) that he seek treatment for Lyme which will encompass the abx, mg. etc. and possibly divalproex (synthetic lithium for the swings from the bipolar state which if we don't manage to control I don't believe we'll ever get him to stay on the abx meds).

An ssri is always possible but we'll see how it goes.

ADHD is a big part of what he has right now as well. So many things going on at the time when the hormones are going crazy.

We are eternally hopeful though...thanks everyone.

I'll check in from time to time on this thread and let you know how we progress.

Sorry you're kids are going through so much. I was bit by tics at age 16 and by 17 was a psychriatic mess. My parents wanted me to go to hospital, but turned 18 by this time and refused. Smart move on my part as there is "no lyme in ontario" and I would have been drugged etc.

I weighed about 90 lbs and wouldn't eat, stayed in my room all the time, scared of my own shadow.

I beleive as well ,the young ones are more likely to show psychirtric illnes over physical illness. I think it is because of the vulnerable stage the hormones are in.

I hope you have luck with your son, dealing with someone with bipolar can be very frustrating, as they have the ability to make you feel, 2 inches tall, but know he doesn't mean to be so hurtful and it's the disease.

I hope you find the answers you need.

Lymiecanuck