Topic: just got back from dr. dhonden : tibeten dr.
lla2
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He's in ny city...my second visit..dr. H sent him to me, adn my son was sent by dr. Jones.....excellent visit...
our last visit was june of this year and we've been on the herbs since..they've been balancing out my kidney inbalance and ascending wind inbalance since then...well, that part is all done..amazing how you could even reallly SEE the difference in my urine sample this time..no more cloudiness etcc..I also have no more ear ringing or kidney pain, low back pain anymore either, or numbness, or tingling on my scalp..hadn['t noticed, but he's right!
now my wind has switched direction slightly, gone a little over to descending , and that's why i'm dizzy, so he gave me the herbs to readjust ..he said that's why i feel like all the pressure is in my head, dizziness, anxiety feeling, neck pain etc..like im standing on my head..trouble sleeping etc...mind you , he does all this through an interpreter...he also said we're going to strart working on the lyme now since my body is just about in balance now..yipee! He gave me these hard little balls I have to chew adn swallow twice a day...(5) of them..that will eliminate any bacteria in my body...and gave me something for parasites too,althogh he didnt' think i had much of either... he thought i had mostly an autoimmune response going on still, no more lyme, and the herbs he gave to calm the descending winds and rebalance me would stop the autoimmune inflammation too....
this is just what i thought was going on, with the inflammation, that i didnt' have lyme anymore, since i never flare at montly time or moon time etc...so i was amazed...
it was cool. He did a medicne chant with me...and gave me a medicine present to use at home to help with my chant.
Jordan basically is all better. his bile /and blood imbalance is all cleared up. He has a slight wind inbalance , so he'll be on just one herb now for 2 more months and that's it! He sees no more lyme etc...( which is what dr. jones said), and thought he was doing great! so i was very happy..
I'm always feeling so energized and optimistic when i leave there...he doesnt think it'll be too long when Ill feel 100% again...
just wanted to pass this on, since the eastern medicine seems to be working for US...not everyone, and i'm not suggsting it will, just that I'm pleased with the results for US.
Lisa
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Lisa, I am glad to learn that you and your son are doing so much better with the Eastern medicine. It is interesting that this practitioner felt that you were experiencing an autoimmune response and that the lyme was basically done. There is quite a debate about this even in the mainstream medical circles.
What did Dr. D feel your autoimmune responses were, as in mainstream medicine this would imply Lupus, RA, or something similiar. Is it just residual inflammmation caused by the lyme and drugs?
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lla2:
That is such uplifting and inspiring news! Congratulations to both you and your son!
I have been reading all old posts about personal experiences with Dr. Dhonden, and am interested in pursuing Eastern herbals from a qualified person. I have googled, and this is the only website contact info I can find: www.tibetanmedicine.com
Menla Tibetan Medical Institute Dr. Yeshi Dhonden, Chief Medical Advisor Marsha Woolf, Clinical Director 54 Briarwood Plaza Seekonk, Ma. 02771 USA Phone/Fax: 508-336-8787 NY office: 212-741-2727
Is this the way I try to make an appointment? Do I need a medical doctor referral to see him? (I am now taking abx from llmd).
Thank you so much for any help you may be able to provide.
Lymelighter
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Lisa, chew them!? Wow, you must have some serious choppers! I put those teflon "balls" that look and smell like rabbit turds, in a garlic press then swallow with H20.
I haven't felt much from it but maybe it's too early to tell.
lla2
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[email protected] is their email address in NY. He is in NY twice a year, in oct/nov and june. I don't know if you need a referral. We had one though.
we\ve been on the herbs for four months..hard to chew and thenswallow with warm water , but worth it...slow improvement, but he said it would take about a year to be all better. it's been 5 months so far..better with fatigue first..then other symtoms started going away never to return , like headache, numbness tingling etc...feeeling much better.
he said autoimmune inflammation is caused becuase body thinks you still have bacteria when you still feed it abx etc..and then when you stop, it 'expects' the abx for awhile, so it' becomes inflamed..like with mS or RA etc...eastern medicine doesn't give names to diseases..just treats the cause to eliminate the symptoms..no titles of diseases....but the herbs he gave me is really supposed to help the inflammation inthe brain, adn it has, so he kept me on those... for longer...
books he's written: 1. healing from the source: Dr. yeshi Dhonden 2. health through balance: an introduction to tibetan medicine Dr. yeshi Dhonden
excellent into to tibetan eastern medicine. google him for more info . he works with marsha woolfe and the FDA on Breast Cancer patients etc...you'll find the research if you google.
fascinating visits...he also did a medicine healing chant with me, adn blessed a buddha and gave it to me to put on an alter...very sincere sweet man.
I felt honored to be treated by him. His interpreter was lovely as well. THe man is about 90 , adn looks 50, I swear.
Lisa
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Lymelighter
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"he said autoimmune inflammation is caused becuase body thinks you still have bacteria when you still feed it abx etc..and then when you stop, it 'expects' the abx for awhile, so it' becomes inflamed..like with mS or RA etc...eastern medicine doesn't give names to diseases..just treats the cause to eliminate the symptoms..no titles of diseases..."
This is an interesting concept. It's reminiscient of Dr. K's approach with immunoglobulin.
The "other Lyme camp" has spouted this theory from time to time, yet they have no efficacious panacea.
lla2
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I've never been able to get off the abx even though i thought i should be done with them, because every time i stop, I have more symtoms ....this seems to explain it...the herbs have also allowed me to stop or pulse the abx..soon to stop them...without the inflmammation and the symtoms coming back...
"according to him..treat the imbalance in the body, not just the symptom, adn the symptoms will go away..."....makes perfect sense to me.
if it interests you read the books, they are truely fascinating...
Lisa
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This is very interesting, thanks.
Sounds sorta like the marshall protocol, approached from a totally different angle--control the inflammation, let your body kick in it's own appropriate response, and you're part way home.
I have very little inflammation now, I think -- no arthritis, rare headaches, minimal muscle aches. Still fighting the fatigue, though. I got here by a different route than dhonden or the MP, but I think the parallels are fascinating.
I think I'm inherently not inclined to much inflammation. The inflammatory response and the response to abx and other chemicals seems to be remarkably individual.
I am glad to hear that you and your son had another good experience with Dr. Dhonden. I was able to make an appointment for my mom and I, it is not for a few weeks.
You said: "Jordan basically is all better. his bile /and blood imbalance is all cleared up. He has a slight wind inbalance , so he'll be on just one herb now for 2 more months and that's it! He sees no more lyme etc...( which is what dr. jones said), and thought he was doing great!"
Does your son have any symptoms left? I am glad to hear that both of you are doing so well Let us know how you are feeling.
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lla2
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heather, glad you could get an appt..you'll love him...he's so sweet adn intellegent.
my son is doing great. he has basically no symtoms of lyme or any coinfection left. every once in awhile after a long day at school when he has run cross country team after school he'll be really tired at night..but that's really all i notice in him now is the fatigue...it's great. but he wants him to stay on two more months of the herbs to be sure, adn to stay on the diet for at least 6 more month..by diet, i mean stay away from certain foods that will make him be 'unbalanced again'....
I"m doing great too...pulsing abx two times a week..will be off them soon. feel great except for some lightheadedness which he said was caused by my descending wind too strong, so he changed one herb on me...otherwise, i have no symtoms basically....
love going to him..herbs taste terrible..but i'm happy with results.
Lisa
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Your news sounds wonderful. One of the reasons I like Dr. H. so much is that he is so open to alternative medicine and new tx considerations.
If you don't mind my asking...is this Dr. D. expensive? I notice JRobin posted a Seekonk address. Does he see patients there? Are the herbs expensive?
Thanks, nan
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lla2
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no, that is their old address...he only sees patients in downtown manhatten twice a year...he's not expensive at all. He says it's fine to put his name in here, so that's why I do, not to be confused with dr. D in boston.... it's dr. yeshi Dhonden, one of the dhali Llama's physicians.
he doesn't charge anything for his services at all. if you want to make a small (25-50.00 donation you can, it goes to the clinics in dharmasala india to help treat the monks there.)..but you don't have to. I did the first time, but couldn't this time due to money problems..either way is fine. it costs $20.00 for the interpreter, and $45.00 for two months worth of the herbs...
so all together it cost me $65.00 for each of us this time for the vist adn two months worth of herbs...you send a check to dharmasela to get herbs every two months for another two month supply..and you see him twice a year...so it's very cheap in comparison to llmd's ...
but I don't think i would have attempted this at the start of my treatment...he agreed i needed to kill all the bugs first with abx also...the lyme /organisms as he calls them needed to be treated then he can balance me out...some things need both western adn eastern medicine he said through the translater....this was one of them. i had had western treatment for so long, I was ready for this...
I still think that there needs to be abx in our protocol for lyme , coinfections etc...but room for alternative therapies as well..NOT replacing them...Dr. dhonden seemed to agree. \ Now, both jordan and I at the end of abx purpose in our system seem to be benefiting the most from eastern medicine and the herbs he's using to balance out our system. the abx made us "Way out of balance, but did what they needed to do" according to Dhonden....
very smart indeed...
Lisa
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WOW! so glad you both are feeling better
Thank You for taking the time to give us the info and book titles...
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Hey, I�m glad that you are both doing better! How to make an appointment? I couldn�t open this page: [email protected]. Thanks!
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lla2
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it's not a page to open actually, the email address is [email protected] write to them there...if you google his name you will find his website out..i'm not sure what that is....sorry...I put the www. in front of his email address!
Lisa
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