Truthfinder
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There has been some erroneous information posted recently here on the board, and I think it's time to clear that up before the Big Fish Story turns into a real whopper.
Some people on this board are not nearly as dedicated to giving you accurate information as others. Hopefully, you will all be willing to do your own homework and make up your own mind about what may be helpful for you.
A week ago, Cave76 said:
quote:``I've even seen it suggested that a person might crush up an infected tick with their blood and use that as basis for homeopathic treatment; or add their infected Lymie blood to their urine and drink it or something equally silly or yucky.'' http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=055568
Well, there was considerable untruth in that statement but I let that one slide since I was in the process of actually trying to HELP someone find a decent Lyme doctor (an M.D., by the way) .....
Then yesterday, Cave brings the subject up again, only this time she is REALLY sure of what she is talking about and makes that crystal clear by saying ``I kid you not.'':
quote:``After I'd thrown out any consideration of the transvaginal ozone treatment OR concocting my own homeopathic nosode from ground-up infected ticks, and mixing them with my own urine (I kid you not. That was one of the links posted here by a member!!!!).'' http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=055854
Both those statements made by Cave are extremely deceptive , and anyone who read the old thread where this information originated is aware of that already.
Everyone: I think it's only fair to those people who may read your posts - and especially to new people - that you make a reasonable attempt to get your facts straight so you don't purposely mislead anyone. And if you are unsure of your facts, perhaps you'd better check them out before you post.
As to the quotes from Cave, above, please note that in the original post(s) she is commenting on, there is no ``blood'' or ``urine'' involved. I can only speculate as to why she chose to include these untruths.
By the way, there is an actual case report from - oh my gosh! - an M.D. that treats Lyme! - who used a remedy from a mashed up tick to cure a 14-year old of Lyme symptoms from a 10-day old bite - in only 3 doses. Oh, the insanity of it all!
I do my homework. I wish everyone would.
Here's a link to a short thread on another forum where the ``ground-up tick'' information is located.
As to doing things to get well that might appear to be ``silly or yucky''......
This reminds me so much of 70 years ago or so when some complete and utter morons went and voluntarily took little pills prepared from - get this - some substance oozing out of nasty, yucky mold growing in some Petri dish in a failed experiment! Eeeek! The insanity of it! Who would ever do that? Later, this gross and silly substance came to be known as `Penicillin''.........
At that time, some crazy researcher - instead of throwing out the mold-contaminated Petri dish - actually paid attention and noticed that everything else in the dish was DEAD. That complete idiot decided to do the unthinkable - try to see if some awful, yucky, potentially-harmful substance such as mold could actually be used to cure people of deadly bacterial infections. What a flaming imbecile!!!
If not for that one little lab `accident' - and some researcher willing to think outside the traditional medical box - conventional medicine might still be in the dark ages.
Right. I think the quotes I've shown early in this thread speak to the disingenuous nature of this latest quote. No matter how many times we hear similar comments from this person, that still won't make it true.
Just trying to set the record straight here for those new to the board.
Maybe Gigi is right - everybody's parasites are going crazy and it's Full Moon..... all I know is that MY parasites didn't start this particular mess.
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Hmmm, Interesting. You make a good point. and I have never heard of the treatment through ticks themselves. That is really neat.
I also heard there was a lizzard somewhere that treated ticks of lyme when the tick bit the lizzard... something like that, although i dont know how they would even find that out... Its all interesting. Hopefully there is a fool proof cure developed soon!!!
randibear
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i thought that was a joke!!
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luvs2ride
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Homeopathy cleared up my migraines, hearing loss, short term memory and mental confusion. It gave me incredible energy.
I would use it again in a heartbeat. I was working with a certified homeopathic MD. Yes, he is an MD.
Luvs
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Boomerang
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Not another fighting thread..........NOOOO!!!!!
I'm like randibear, I thought it was a joke too???
TerryK
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Truthfinder, You make some very good points.
Yes, best to do your own research rather than believe everything you read on any forum. I've gotten a lot of very useful information from the wonderful people here but if it is information that I rely on or give to other people, I do my best to validate it.
Sadly, some people feel that their view is the "correct" view and that others should not be free to voice ideas in the medical forum if they don't conform to their view.
Some suggest that scrolling on by is the solution. I find that impossible when everytime a disapproved of topic is attempted to be discussed, some very vocal people take over the thread and make it a very unpleasant conversation by hurling insults and not allowing the discussion of the subject.
If we were to SOB everytime that happens, their purpose of disallowing the discussion would be fulfilled. Terry
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dialoge on what's working is voluntary, and should be allowed free space to explore. no one should infringe upon that.
we obviously need all the healthy living and treatment resources we can get. i find all treatment-bashing posts terribly stifling, whether the target is abx or homeopathy.
it's not like folks can spare options here. alternative treatments in Lyme have proven just as useful as abx, time and time again.
mo
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Truthfinder
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Skyler, do a search here on the board for ``Western Fence Lizard'' and you will find quite a bit of interesting info......
It's no joke randibear and Boomerang, which kinda makes my point for me, doesn't it?
This isn't a fighting thread.... this is a thread to correct erroneous information that was posted. That's it. Clearly from some posts here, some people were confused.
Luvs, Terry and Mo - you all make terrific points. Well said....
Tracy
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CaliforniaLyme
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No one should ever ever touch ticks with their hands/fingers because you can catch RMSF from just touching an infected tick because it is in the tick feces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So homeopaths beware*)!*)!!
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merrygirl
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Well I am relatively new here. My opinion iis that this site has educated me extensively in a short amount of time. Everyone I have encountered has been great to me.
I hope that any person who looks on the internet for guidance especially for medical reasons will realize that any nut job can post whatever info they want. It doesn't mean it is the truth or even accurate.
I am more of a traditional medicine type person (so far anyway). I think folks need to be logical and use commons sense. I do not plan on squishing up a jar of ticks and peeing on them anytime soon. Melissa
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treepatrol
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Attack the post NOT the poster or chill. SOB or DEB
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If I don't test positive for coinfections here soon, heck yeah - I'll crush up a few ticks, mix them in my urine - feces - whatever it takes. It couldn't be any more gross that what Lyme does to us.
I forget what culture it is, but there is a culture out there that recommends drinking the first morning urine - ayurvedic?
I've never really had a problem with anybody on here, and cave is no exception. Everybody's ideas count on here, and that's why we're here.
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Truthfinder
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I edited my original post this morning - eliminated some unnecessary language.
Good advice, CA Lyme!! To be safe, even if you see a tick crawling on the top hairs of your dog, use a Kleenex or something to snatch that thing off. Personally, I wouldn't handle fleas, either.
Tree, I agree with you. In this case, one of the basic forum rules was broken by a poster and if it happens again, I'll simply report it to the Moderators. I would prefer that we handle our own problems on the board and not pester the Moderators, but sometimes it is necessary if there is continued abuse.
Note this from the LymeNet Terms of Use:
quote:``4. Users shall not post or transmit through the LymeNet System any material ..... which is ...... threatening, abusive, hateful, harassing, knowingly false , defamatory........ or otherwise objectionable......''
(Click on Privacy Statement at the bottom of any LymeNet page for the Terms of Use for this board.)
Thanks for your comment, Ky.
I know what you mean, Tailz - ``whatever it takes'' should be the motto here on the board. And I don't think anybody should be chastised for making unconventional suggestions or proposing unorthodox treatments.
And let me be the first to commend Cave for the many, many EXCELLENT articles she has posted on this board, and for all her efforts here. That's why it is so distressing to me when I feel obligated to start a topic like this one.
The majority of the people here don't want to fight; they just want to get well.
Tracy
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clairenotes
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We all have days when we are feeling passionate about our beliefs (abx or alternative) and things might not come out quite the way we intend.
Claire
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CaliforniaLyme
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I got that*)!*)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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charlie
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....We've been poking fun at absurdities like drinking pee since this board's inception. I can't imagine anybody taking the subject(or anybody's comments about same) as anything but funny or sarcastic or both.
I don't drink kool aid either
Charlie
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