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My LLMD had me take olive leaf extract in capsule form, 500 mg to tolerance for 3 weeks. I was then tested and my Bartonella was gone.
Olive leaf extract goes after both Bartonella and Lyme. I was able to take 15 a day, spaced out over 3 meals. I felt achy and tired, but nothing too terrible. If you have abdominal pain, you're taking too much.
My LLMD also said that it is easy to relapse with Bartonella, especially if you're undergoing stress. (Like all of this isn't stressful enough!)
I just thought I'd share this with you, as olive leaf is pretty inexpensive. Can't hurt to try! Remember to get the olive leaf extract--it's stronger than the regular olive leaf.
Gena
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Did all your bart symptoms resolve?
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Don't rule out Levaquin -- read up first. Cipro, I'm convinced, saved my life (I was having SEVERE cardiac problems and it pulled me back from the edge). It did give me tendon problems which is why I stopped, but they have resolved in the months since I stopped taking it.
Cat's Claw does not target bart.
Stephen Buhner recommends Japanese Knotweed, Boneset, and Red Root for bart if you want to go the herbal route.
There is a thread on here now about the neurotoxicity claims re: artemesia -- I am now personally convinced it's not neurotoxic and is worth using.
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Why do you think you don;t have Babs? Is it that you tested negative, or because you have absolutely NO Babs symptoms?
Babs testing isn't that reliable because there are so many strains and only a few are tested for.
As for Levaquin, I say try it. If you notice any of the bad side effects stop it immediately. I was able to treat for 5 months on it.
Just my 2 cents.
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Levaquin was worth the risk to me. I was sick like you are and then three months later, I am being weaned off abx and onto herbs!
So, in the long-run, Levaquin means that I'm on the "hard" meds for a shorter time, even if it meant that I had to take a "harder" med than I wanted to.
I want to note, I took magnesium with the Levaquin.
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I don't really have any babs-specific symptoms; I haven't
experienced much malaise of or fatigue at all, and haven't
had any night sweats. My symptoms are almost exclusively
neurological (a few of my joints are starting to be affected.)
After reading what I have on sites like fluoroquinolones.org
and fqresearch.org, I've become certain that I will only take
Levaquin if all else has failed. I know there are other effective
treatments (Septra, azithromycin, etc.) but my LLMD
just hasn't had enough experience with them to be comfortable
using them in his practice.
What I'm worried about is that, with the neurological issues I
already have, I would not be able to discern the effects of
That's interesting about the Olive Leaf Extract, Gena!!
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I don't know if Andrographis is one of the herbs used for Bart or not, but I've been taking it and it's been giving me herxes like crazy. I started very slow and took even less than HALF when I started and herxed for two weeks in a row and then finally started getting better from it. Now I'm starting to add more. Maybe it just goes after Lyme or something?
Rifampin has helped immensely with my Bart, but I think you've tried that, right?
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quote:Originally posted by adamm: I don't really have any babs-specific symptoms; I haven't
experienced much malaise of or fatigue at all, and haven't
had any night sweats. My symptoms are almost exclusively
neurological (a few of my joints are starting to be affected.)
Levaquin is used for Bartonella, not babesia. Are you trying to treat both?
There is a good talk online by Dr. B. about "bartonella like organisms". In the talk, Dr. H asks a question in the question/answer session and talks about how he treats both together. If you can't find the talk, I will look it up later.
Also, I have a copy of a talk that Dr. H gave where he says what he uses to treat both ... can't remember off the top of my head, but if you're interested, let me know and I'll look it up for you. I don't have it on my computer, it's in the file cabinet.
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So...
Biaxin monotherapy: to do or not to do (I'm not trying to tx babs)
I just posted a study on bart's ability to develop resistance to
macrolides, but I've heard that zith alone is sometimes used.
Has ANYONE gotten rid of their bart this way?
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I took massive zithromax 1500mg amediten and bactrim for 2 weeks, then switched to the gasser protocal for 2 more weeks. The got black under my eyes, went for live blood anal and I believed I was seeing lyme nearly gone, but bart bugs everywhere. Taking cipro and minocin and got bart herxing like crazy still am...my hands and feet hurt like heck. But ALL my so called tendon pains are gone. Wasnt cipro was bart caused.
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Okay, I had time to get this talk out of my file cabinet ... unfortunately, I do not have it on my computer .... but this is what it says about bart treatment.
Doxy+Rifampin
Quinolones+Tetras or Macrolides
Septra/Bactrim+Macrolides
All above with Plaquenil 200 mg bid
I hope that give you more options. For those who are curious, it says for bart and babs together, consider plaquenil+mepron+macrolide+septra. Continue with Malarone when sweats and chlls are reduced.
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I can't tolerate most medicines. Levaquin and Cipro make me deathly ill. Zith makes me so depressed even a 1/4 tablet. Doxycycline actually lifted my brain fog, but has done its jub and my LLMd wants me to move on to Plaquenil for possilbe babs.
I've been taking cumanda since July but had to work up to the therapeutic dose of at leas 15 drops/twice daily. I got up to 20/2x and then switched to banderol for a couple weeks. I'm relapsing, so I think cumanda was a good thing. It didn't cure me, but it didn't make me relapse either. I've read on this board it is a moderate killer of bart. I also take burbur drops to help with that herxing.
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