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i am confused as to whether or not lyme bugs feed on magnesium or not.
if yes, would it make sense that, if using a topical mag cream, the bugs would swarm towards an area that was rubbed with the cream?
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Yes, they like magnesium. But if we try to starve them of it, the magnesium deficiency can actually even be dangerous to us, in some cases such as with erratic heartbeat or seizures (both of which can be a result of low magnesium).
Magnesium deficiency causes all sorts of problems with many systems of the body, especially with nerve tissue. It can be very destructive. Your heart relies on it for rhythm; your brain for proper cognitive function and your liver uses magnesium to help with detox.
The key is to take B-6 with it for better absorption in our cells. We may need extra at times. Starving lyme out is not possible. Treating in other ways is more effective.
I am not familiar with magnesium creams but, orally the most absorbable forms include mag. glycinate or citrate. Shots or IVs are required sometimes to bring the levels up.
I'd love to see what total formula the cream has going for it to prevent that. Do they advise rubbing it on the inside of the elbows, back of knees so that it's better absorbed?
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MANY symptoms can be a result of magnesium deficiency :
i have a magnesium cream by key pharmacy that was prescribed for me by my llmd
i have no idea what is in it but the label says:
c-dmso/mgcl2/emu 20-30% lotn #240
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The DMSO is another ingredient that can help relieve joint pain. Don't know what is the other parts of the lotion but the EMU oil is very helpful relief for many people (and really softens skin).
Seems you have a triple header there. I'm not sure how far into the body the cream will go and you may also need oral magnesium but, if so, you doctor would have said so. It should penetrate to your joints.
As this also has DMSO and EMU, it is likely to help relieve joint pain. Keep us posted as others may be interested.
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John, life without sufficient magnesium is not possible. It should be balanced with calcium, however.
Check with your biotensor or your muscle testing naturopath which one the body prefers. It may like both. You will get an instant answer. There are times of day where your body needs it and others when it doesn't need more.
Keebler, I have the lesions all over my arms and legs to show that the spirochetes love the derma areas. The "fire" nearly drove me insane!
Take care.
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Gigi,
ohhh, sorry to hear of the derma damage. Thanks for clearing up the difference between the spirochetes not hanging around the blood stream for testing - but still being able to go anywhere - including skin.
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I have tried three times to supplement magnesium, and I just can't do it - makes me worse every time. That's just me though...
Lauren
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Lauren,
The importance of magnesium can't be overstated.
If it makes you feel worse, could it be doing something to destroy the bacterias? I haven't done any kind of research on that, but you might want to. It is chelating and perhaps is moving toxins.
Maybe you should try taking very small amounts of magnesium, or even pulsing it (take one day, skip a day). If your "feeling worse" is a sign of "getting better" (the most bizarre aspect of our illness) then you may actually need the magnesium more than most.
Magnesium does many, many good things for the body. I personally use it and Vit C to keep my bowels moving.
I am on, and have been for several months, an intensive parasite herbal protocol. It really threatens to constipate me.
My doctor told me early on to take magnesium and Vit C to bowel tolerance (to the point of diarrhea-then back up a dose). I have never hit diarrhea, although until this herbal protocol, I have enjoyed regular, cleansing bowel movements.
Magnesium is just super important and it sounds to me like it is doing something important for you.
Luvs
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Luvs,
You may be right! I'm actually laughing at myself right now b/c all three times I took extra mag I REALLY took extra mag - I mean tons of it!! Maybe that had something to do with it..
I tend to do that with everything, and I know I shouldn't! I guess I'm so anxious sometimes to get rid of this crap, that I think taking enormous amounts of stuff is the way to go. For instance, a while back I decided I would add garlic to my regimen.
Did I start with just a clove or two? No. I ate an entire bulb! Not only did I stink for a month straight, I also probably came really close to giving myslef an ulcer!
I think I'll try mag again - in miniscule doses this time! Thanks for the reminder!
Lauren
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It makes no sense for Bb to need/want Mg!
Mg inactivates HMG CoA reductase which halts the cholesterol pathway which IS one of the many pathways Bb takes to build its cell walls.
Mg and Ca are needed to make our antibodies. Restoring Mg, restored the ability of our own antibodies to Bb's OspB cell wall. Up until Mg was restored, a "fab" portion (fragment) was damaged...and damaged antibodies don't work nor do they "count" when doing a Western blot (since we are measuring our antibody response to Bb's proteins)
Bb needs Na...which combines with ATPase as Na-ATPase to transport Na OUT of the cell. (In a jam, Li can substitute for a lack of Na. We need very very little Lithium...and balancing that is tough!)
When Na leaves the cell, glucose and amino acids go in. "Yummy" for Bb.
Glycolysis (using glucose to make very little ATP) happens in the cytoplasm of the cells which is where Bb hangs out. Oxidative phosphorylation (not happening - we make a LOT of ATP when that happens) takes place in the mitochondria (powerhouses) of the cell. In oxidative phosphorylation we use oxygen AND glucose to make a LOT of ATP....the "energy transporter". Adenosine triphosphate.
VERY basically ATP-> ADP -> ATP. Phosphate lost and then put back on. cAMP is cyclic adenosine monophosphate(1). See where it fits into the picture?
It appears Bb uses Ca (and cAMP) for motility (its flagella are sorta on the INSIDE of Bb...helping Bb once again to avoid our immune system). Our own sperm (which have flagella) also use Ca and cAMP apparently.
Bb uses Mn for its enzymes (we use Mg). In a jam, the body can substitute Mn (we need a lot less of that mineral) for Mg.
Bb uses Zn...it has "zinc fingers". When zinc drops, Cu goes up.
Bb has a PKC inhbitor. P= protein K= kinase (they transfer phosphate groups) C = comes from calcium 'cause this is calcium triggered.
There are subsets of PKC...It appears Bb is inhibiting the delta form and maybe impacting a phosphate transferred to serine -> disruption of phosphatidylserine -> HPA axis disruption.
NORMALLY Mg is attached to OUR ATP as Mg-ATP where it helps to transfer phosphate groups.
Type into a search engine:
Magnesium diabetes. Bb is PFK dependent. That enzyme is rate limiting for glycolysis. It is activated by insulin, so as a defense measure, we block insulin release from the pancreatic beta cells (to a degree). IL 1 B looks to do that.
Getting Mg back IN the cells is a problem. It appears ATP (high levels) drives it back in...but there is not much ATP being made in the cells in which Bb is camped out.
Our Mg levels DIVE at the outset of lyme and the spiral continues down. That is disasterous.
Mg works WITH P5P (B6) and B6 controls Na-K levels.
If B6 is too low, this will impact Na ...negatively.
When Na levels drop (hyponatremia) this can trigger a seizure. You will become diaphoretic first (sweat)as the body tries hard to hang onto sodium. (Drinking too much water...overdoing it..also disrupts the balance.)
There is a U.S. patent...it is titled: "Magnesium for autoimmune".
The doctor who developed the above cured RA, and cancer in MONTHS using MgPyrophosphate and sublingual (under the tongue) B6. He jumpstarted the process using IV doses of Mg.
Impossible? NOPE.
Our BONE health needs adequate levels of Mg, Ca, vitamin D, boron and phosphate.
What do you think happens when Mg and phosphate levels drop and Ca is pulled from the bones (as our most abundant mineral)...
Complex pathogen...oh, yea!
Bb needs many of our nutrients, but it looks like it can be destroyed IF we close a channel = TRPM8 which is a Na-Ca channel. That channel is active in MANY cancers.
It appears we need to block both of these electrolytes simultaneously...for a short period of time...highly targeted to cells that are counting on glucose going in if Na could leave.
How to temporarily close the Na-Ca, TRPM8 channel.
It appears photon transfer can do that.
There is a chemical that can do that too which just so happens to contain "H16" in its molecular formula...
Is hydrogen involved? Oh, yes!
Alpha and beta waves involved...yup.
Glutamate being metabolized and quickly restored impacting acetylcholine levels...yup?
Extremely complex pathogen!
Ancora Imparo.
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