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Is a herx a production of toxins that unhealthy organs of excretion can't handle well
Reason I am asking is I am hanging with a very sharp nurse that worked in NJ. She said about one half of the lyme patients herxed, the other half didn't.
From here I see some do not herx, some a bit, some a lot + some seem continual.
Keebler
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- This reminds me of a joke I heard years ago on NPR's the Car Guys with Click and Clack:
"A good friend will help you move. A REALLY good friend will help you move a body!"
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All jokes aside, killing is a harsh thing. The clean up is always messy. Lyme is so incredibly toxic and it can be fatal, so I think that should be the first thing to address right up front (and work on the other pathogens as the body is ready).
For who herxes and who does not: It seems the health of the liver makes a the makes a difference in who herxes and who does not - or the degree to which it happens. Different drugs/mixes, too, can change everything about a herx.
Also to consider: porphryia (of all types, or just one type such as KPU). Excess porphryins are highly toxic to nerve tissue. So some may think they are herxing but it's really an excess of porphyrins and that requires certain measures. Beta carotene (from carrot juice, leafy greens) is one of the best helpers.
With or without any type of porphyria as a player, the condition of the liver is (almost) everything regarding the intensity of a herx.
I also think the term is very much overused for just feeling horrible - as is to be expected with lyme and co. It's not a walk in the park, even with treatment. I think we, as patients, are trained that it's not okay to just say it's very rough day or that "I feel bad lately" or "Wow, that's a strong treatment."
Again, the liver is key. Avoiding everything that stresses the liver can help (unless absolutely necessary and directly addresses infection). Liver support is key.
Some "detox" programs out there are actually far too harsh. There is a very wide range of what is considered "detox" - far too involved to detail here but some are good and some are not.
The best detox "event" is gentle sweating from a warm (not hot bath) or FIR sauna at low heat. Gentle exercise or massage are also "event" kinds of detox. Otherwise, support should be covering the bases at all times.
Gentle and consistent liver support that is on-going and standardized is best - so that the liver can do its job at its own pace and timing. Milk Thistle is one of the best but there are many and sometimes Milk Thistle can't be used (such as with Mepron) but other things can be substituted or timed differently.
Figuring out all this liver care is best under care with a LL ND (naturopathic doctor) or guidance from a knowledgeable LLMD. More is not necessarily better.
IV glutathione is also one wonderful technique that supports the liver and can pull someone out of a very harsh herx. Other oral methods that do that to a lesser degree include taking whey protein powder, etc. Anything that helps the liver with glutathione or methionine is good. And the list could go one forever.
Topic: Porphyria (and secondary/chronic as seen with antibiotic protocols). -
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Keeb- HA!
Mass said.. "Has anyone used a detox program before the kill ?"
Yes, mass... some doctor's are starting folks (especially new patients) on a detox protocol before antibiotics are started... and while waiting for test results to come back.
They are hoping it will help when the big die-off occurs. Makes sense to me.
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