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My LLND (DrR, reportedly a very lyme literate *rockstar* on this board) ART tested me and said EMFs are a significant problem for me. She recommended an EarthCalm Scalar Resonator necklace for personal EMF protection. There is also a home protection system that supposedly grounds EMFs throughout the house including microwave protection etc.
I have no idea if this really works. It could be snake oil for all I know.
If you google Earthcalm necklace there are choices of websites to learn the specifics of the technology. Sorry,I have cognitive problems and am unable to understand or explain the technology.
However, I would love to hear what others who are more literate in this area have to say about why EMF protection is important in relation to lyme disease and hopefully what they think about these earthcalm products.
My LLND (in a brief phone conversation) explained that the importance of EMF protection is because EMFs cause lyme bugs to rally and then they spit in order to adversely impact the central nervous system of the host(us)???
To me that seems to be somewhat consistent with the theory or experience of others regarding using "frequency" type treatments; e.g., light (bionic, PE1, lightworks etc) or rifing. Does that make sense?
Sorry, I am newly diagnosed and trying to understand. Can someone please explain this better? My husband didn't hear the LLND explain it, and when I try to explain it to him (as I have here), he thinks I am nuts.
Are there articles somewhere I could print out for him to read about this?
Hubby read Pam's book and found it very helpful but doesn't remember reading anything about EMF connection. Is it there and he missed it???
Does a laptop emit more EMFs than a desktop?
Is there a safe way to protect from EMFs while using a laptop? I am bedridden and need access to laptop in order to stay connected with the world and learn about lyme disease treatment option.
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Please excuse my ignorance as I am still learning.
What is EMF?
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I was told all things electric or even battery operated emit frequencies. For example, most of us have heard reports about risks using cell phones, cordless phones, and microwave ovens....even dishwashers in the kitchen, TV, computers...pretty much everything in our home and work environments.
Some things apparently emit more than others, but I haven't heard how a list might go. Like what emits the most.
I remember a dishwasher repairman years ago told me it is not a good idea to run the dishwasher while you are in the kitchen. Wait until after dinner when everyone is out of the kitchen. I now think this is what he might have been referring to. I wish now I had asked him why.
I just found this CDC link about EMFs. No idea if it is accurate information, but the summary text seems to suggest validity of EMFs being a problem: http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/EMF/
I hope others can add more to this. I am bedridden with substantial cognitive problems and could use the help in knowing if I need to do more about this.
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i don't know if it was emf's or my multiple chemical sensitivities-but when i got my last laptop i could not use it. it made me sick. i think-tingly-jumpy-i don't know-it was a long time ago. anyway-i researched off-gassing and was told to get an aloe plant. keep it near the laptop and it would absorb the _off-gassing stuff"-whatever that is.
well-it worked. imy symptoms cut way down.a dn very soon i could stay on laptop longer and longer.
also-my little 6" aloe grew to be more than 4 feet in width and didn't fit in my little house anymore! by then the laptop was fine
if you search for tailz posts-i think she knows a lot about the emfs.
i know you should stay to side of microwave and desktop monitor
and use speaker on cell and other phones without cords
and it might be better to not have wireless
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yes-there are still 300 posts on here from tailz-many about emf
do you know how to use the search?
just type in tailz and they come up
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I am pretty open minded and use frequency treatment methods. I know of no possible mechanism by which a necklace could possibly protect you from EMF's.
A Faraday Cage is the only way that could work. And that is not real practical.
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EMF's are a problem for me too. What is interesting is that some things bother me, while others don't that you would think would.
But, when I used to go to my local chiropractor, they would do the thing where they'd put the little suction cups on my back muslces, and the machine would send electrical impulses through the suction cups to the muscles.
I would always be REALLY fatigued, a "wiped out" kind of fatigue where you get irritable, and focusing is also hard, but the main symptom was tiredness......I would get this immediately after the appointments and the whole day afterwards.
We always assumed it was the adjustments loosening spiroketes or something, until I mentioned it to her, and for some reason, the chiropractor very intelligently put two and two together.
Then, she "muscle tested" me, and discovered I can't handle EMFs. She was like, this is a problem for you!!!!! Don't get on that machine again!
And sure enough, my chiro visits never bothered me after I stopped doing that.
But I notice EMF sensitivity in other areas of my life too, like if I talk on a cell phone for more than about 20 minutes, I start to get SUPER irritable, like the irritability of a 3 year old, and I'm like, "i gotta get off this phone, bye."
So I believe this phenomenon is very real, unfortunately. I am going to take a look at those products when I have more time.
I think this is just a consequence of the illness going on in our bodies for some of us, and I think that when our bodies are stronger, we will have the "energy" to fight off the EMFs better.
But I am very interested in this topic......and ways to make this not such an issue!!!!!
I have heard hair dryers are a big culprit too, by the way. And people hold them close to the head.
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PS---i wonder if for those of us that are really EMF sensitive, if we need to correct this in order to heal? I have wondered this for some time. I'm sure some would say yes. Hmmm.
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thanks everyone for the help! I'll try and read tailz posts on it.
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I'm an electronic technician of nearly 45 years experience (believe it or not) & I can't fathom how any "necklace" could POSSibly "protect" you from these 'bad' EMF fields. They're Everywhere. Most are quite weak.
DE-leaking your microwave oven is a good idea if a shop test shows it IS leaking (not common).
Using LCD screens over old CRT (picture tube) TVs & computer monitors is a B-I-G + (NO X-Rays, NO Hi-voltage, NO strong 16,000 hZ "horizontal freq squeal" magnetic fields). Also, Don't live under or adjacent to power lines or in the shadow of a powerful TV or radio station tower. Don't sleep next to an electric heater. THat's about it for strong EMF fields in the home.
I personally think it's an overblown fear. A grain of truth, but "snake oil comes in all concentrations". ;-) -Mark S. CET Sr.
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Is living adjacent to power lines really bad?
My bedroom is on the third floor of an apartment building, and from my bed, the power lines are probably about 30 ft.....they are close, right out my window.
I have been wondering if I should put some kind of "shield" over the window since I spend like 10 hours in there every night!!!!
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Is living adjacent to power lines really bad?
My bedroom is on the third floor of an apartment building, and from my bed, the power lines are probably about 30 ft.....they are close, right out my window.
I have been wondering if I should put some kind of "shield" over the window since I spend like 10 hours in there every night!!!!
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I just looked at EarthCalm's website.
I wonder if someone could just wear the ankle bracelet 24/7 (even in bed) because then you wouldn't have to go through the hassle of getting the bed shields, and the outlet shields for every room you use in the house.
I would like to hear from anyone on here that has tried the necklace or anklet. (I would opt for the anklet, because it would be less visible)
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Hoosiers, if the necklace can do a t i n y bit (HIGHLY doubtful), the "anklet" (cool word!) would do even Less.
I mean, the EMF fields "encompass" you. A freagin' "lucky charm" wrapped around your ankle is going to "distort that field"? You watch too much Star Trek (Fun show ;-)~
If ya got any "stuff" IN you that conducts... and it's the length of the 'wavelength' of any incoming field, there WOULD be a small amount of resonant current. For FM stations, it's, oh... about 120 INCHES! For cellphones (the original 800MHz trunking system), now you're Talkin'!...maybe 15". NERVE cells can be 15" Hmmmm... But, the power output of a cellphone max'es out at 600mW. That's LESS THAN A WATT! WELL if you place the radiating element (antenna- mostly inside the beast), right against your skull & talk your head off all day- YES, there IS a risk of a problem... but you move the distance out a couple inches and, you know WHAT? The strength of the radiating field drops DRAMATICALLY.
Think of it as a source of light. You're 1" away & WOW.. now move out to 4": MUCH dimmer... 1/16 the brightness. Distance from sources is everything.
If you Are only 30' form HIGH VOLTAGE lines- the Big ones, that go down valleys, you should MOVE. But if those f__n' things are local lines... the type that drape along street poles (about 37,500 V.A.C, if anyone's curious), I wouldn't give it a 2nd thought. You'd get much more EMF exposure of all frequencies (& much HIGHER fequencies- the 'bad-er' ones) by spending a 1/2 hr out in the noonday sun than what energy levels you'll get/your body will intercept ALL NIGHT LONG in that snug bed o' yours.
Sleep tight. Save your $. More stuff another day soon. (Can you tell I've been watchin' Carlin clips on YouTube? LOL) -'Kete (BSEE 1980 UNH)
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An addendum (I Think that's what they call these):
The Big lines carry 1/2 to 3/4 million volts, at curent levels that power cities! THOSE put out Fields! (Notice they go Mostly thru remote areas?)
The 37.5kV local neighborhood lines do induce EMF, but your 60-watt lamp on the nightstand causes more "buzz" (AC field current) that radiates from the lamp cord- and wall wiring- than what a local 'distro line' will give you... for most folk anyway. (switch to a CFL bulb )
Do you REALLY SLEEP only 30 FEET from that powerline? You could always line the facing wall with brass screening (order thru h'dware store) & tie it to "earth ground"!
We did that up in the ceiling of the Music Hall in Portsmouth, NH- to cut down on "fields" coming down from the roof antenna that the local low-power FM station uses to transmit their 100watt signal. It was screwing up the traveling musicians' guitar & PA amps. Music-on-Hold. Ha!
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Kete thanks for your insights about this, very interesting about the power lines/towers. Something for Hoosier to consider for sure with only 30' away, yikes!
Hoosier, someone who has the same LLMD as me (and I think you also have the same LLMD)feels the necklace has helped them.
My husband and I had felt fairly dismissive about the necklace recommendation until the LLMD confirmed the LLND's recommnedation. He really felt I needed to consider it. So, based on that, we decided to try it.
Maybe it depends on how much of an EMF problem one has, or it could be a placebo effect. Either way, I had already bought the necklace. I had considered about the ankle bracelet for the same reason mentioned by you. I faxed an inquiry to the LLND who replied, no, get the necklace. Didn't say why, so I can't explain more.
My symptoms are severe enough that I can't even talk on the phone. That may or may not have anything to do with EMFs. But, all our phones are cordless or cell so it made us wonder and was a primary factor (along with LLMD recommendation) why we purchased it.
I experienced some of the same initial experience as the other person. Both of us are very chronically ill/bedridden. The website recommends that chronically ill folks slowly adjust by not wearing it full time in the beginning. I wear it about 75% of the time, which I am thinking might be too much for right now, not sure.
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Kete-Tracker,
Thanks for all the helpful info. Yup, I really do sleep 30' (it might even be more like 25) from a powerline. It is the exact height of my bed, maybe a tiny bit higher. They are in an alley that my bedroom window overlooks, and I'm on the third floor. I live in an apartment building in a downtown area.
They aren't the huge power lines you were referring to. But, there is a grey box on the pole that is adjacent to my bedroom. Hopefully that is okay.
Another thing of concern is "the AT&T building" which is a block and a half from my bedroom window. It's a building that looks to be about 7 or so stories high, and on top are a couple medium sized antenna things, and also these crazy things that remind me of the Sydney Opera House.
They look like satellite dishes, vaguely, but are covered in white stuff that from here looks smooth. I don't know what they "put out"....whether it's phone-related, or what. The only thing I know about the building is that my husband calls it "the AT&T building."
When I sit on my bed, I can see all the stuff on the top of the building, and it's pretty close to me, as I mentioned (about 1 1/2 to 2 blocks max).
So that's another concern. I already posted about this once, but since you seem very educated on the matter, I thought I'd retype this to see what you think, Kete-Tracker. Sometimes I wonder if I should worry about that building.
Jam338, we do see the same LLMD...I just started seeing him a couple months ago.
Thanks for the info everyone.
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The cell phone towers are the biggest problem, not your laptop. Also, wi-fi signals.
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Whether the frequencies and magnetic fields are a health hazard is debatable. It probably depends on the strength of the exposure and time exposed. Your body is supposedly more susceptable to disruption while you sleep.
Some people are more sensitive to this when they have a high Lyme bacterial load. I don't think it means it is any more or less harmful to them.
When the bacterial load is reduced the problem almost always goes away.
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You're absolutely right Dan - good point - some do better with EMFs than others. But we should be cautious blaming EMF sensitivity all on Lyme, seeing Lyme as the bad guy, especially if the following holds true for Lyme...
Some of us may never get rid of Lyme, short of moving, if the above holds true for Lyme. And there aren't a whole lot of EMF-free areas to move to nowadays.
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How do these EMFs relate to Rife machine exposure?
Don't Rife Machines pulse out electrical and/or magnetic frequencies?
Wouldn't using Rife then put many people, especially Lyme sufferers, in harm's way?
Just curious because I'm interested in possibly using Rife for my daughter but was concerned about the exposure to energy fields, etc., so this has been an interesting topic.
Thanks for any additional input.
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Rife machines can bother someone who is electrosensitive because of Lyme. It is especially a problem if you use a RF carrier frequency. Many machines do not use this carrier frequency and that may be the way to go if this is a problem.
It is my opinion based on the experience of Lyme sufferers that the sensitivity is caused by the bacteria and does not mean it is harmful, but just that it is causing that symptom.
Once the bacteria is reduced the symptom usually goes away also. The bacteria does not like the exposure and possibly "acts up" because of it.
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Thank you for explaining this.
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what about electric blankets and heating pads?
also how bad when you don't turn off cable box?
wireless phone s in house (not cell)\
also...WHAT ARE MAIN SYMPTOMS of over exposure?
thank you.
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If exposure to EMF or RF causes you to feel the bacteria acting up, I think it's dangerous to assume that this is insignificant or inconsequential.
I think it's equally as dangerous to err on the safe side and assume a Rife frequency is killing the bacteria. It might be doing just the opposite. I found this...
Cross Currents by Robert O. Becker M.D., page 72
In 1975, Professor Richard Blakemore, also of Woods Hole Marine Biological Laboratory, became intrigued by the strange behavior of some bacteria he was studying. Blakemore noticed that the bacteria always clustered at the north side of their culture dish.
Even if he turned the dish so that they were at the south end and left it overnight, the next morning the bacteria were back at the north side. While such ``magnetotrophic'' bacteria had been described before, no one had ever done what Blakemore did next: he looked at them under the electron microscope. What he found was astonishing.
Each bacterium contained a chain of tiny magnets! The magnets were actually crystals of the naturally magnetic mineral magnetite, the original lodestone of preliterate peoples. Somehow, the bacteria absorbed the soluble components from the water and put them together in their bodies as the insoluble crystalline chain.
Later studies showed that this arrangement was of value to these bacteria, which lived in the mud on the bottom of shallow bays and marshes. If they were moved by the tide or by storm waves, their magnetic chains were large enough (in comparison to their body size) to physically turn their bodies so that they pointed down at an angle corresponding to the direction of magnetic north.
All the bacteria had to do was swim in that direction, and sooner or later they would be back in the mud. This was an interesting mechanism, but it did not contain any sophisticated information transfer. The bacteria did not ``know'' that north was the way to swim; they just did so. However, these observations opened up a much more interesting series of investigations.
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