RZR
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quote:Originally posted by METALLlC BLUE: I just started taking this yesterday actually. It's going to be the main component of my detoxification regimen.
I had a pretty sharp headache last night after using it for the first time. Could have been related.
I found another post (through search) that stated Heel detox was as good as Pekana. I think I will try it. Pekana is a little expensive for me.
Thanks!
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I thought people found out that these things were a farce?
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METALLlC BLUE
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Dr. H in NY recommends Pekana. HEEL is 1/4th the price of Pekana and made by a different company. They do not contain the same ingredients though (Based on TerryK's post).
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I have done Heel detox with no noticeable benefits.. well except TMI... I just started Pekana detox last night... basically it is just to help the organs (liver, kidney and lymph).. you may not see a major difference. some do.. some don't.
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Lymphomyosot is very useful, but the other 2, I never found too useful (berberis and nux vomica).
I prefer Lympho + Hepar compositum (specific for liver) + Solidago compositum (specific for kidneys) then the combo Citrokehl (Sanum) + Coenzyme compositum + Ubichinon (for cell respiration and most cell functioning, detox included).
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MB wrote: HEEL basically is Pekana, except it's 1/4th the price and made by a different company.
No, they are not the same at all. Both kits include products that work on the liver, lymph and kidneys.
Pekana are Homeopathic-Spagyric Medications as opposed to homeopathics. BIG DIFFERENCE! Also, the ingredients are different. They are completely different products. http://tinyurl.com/yf3ck5j
Just like all other treatments, some people may do better with one over the other. I use Pekana because that is the one that I usually muscle test that I need. I keep heel on hand (only the lymphomyosot) and use it once in awhile but I rarely test that I need it.
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METALLlC BLUE
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quote:Originally posted by TerryK: MB wrote: HEEL basically is Pekana, except it's 1/4th the price and made by a different company.
No, they are not the same at all. Both kits include products that work on the liver, lymph and kidneys.
Pekana are Homeopathic-Spagyric Medications as opposed to homeopathics. BIG DIFFERENCE! Also, the ingredients are different. They are completely different products. http://tinyurl.com/yf3ck5j
Just like all other treatments, some people may do better with one over the other. I use Pekana because that is the one that I usually muscle test that I need. I keep heel on hand (only the lymphomyosot) and use it once in awhile but I rarely test that I need it.
Terry
I stand immensely corrected then. haha.
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While they are not the "same", they are similar in many ways and are two of the few if not the only homeopathic detox kit options...
They both cover lymph, liver, and kidneys and are both effective.
While having different ingredients and different formulations, the basic idea and results are about the same. (obviously everyone's response is different for a myriad of reasons)
Terry- What is the difference between spyragic and non?
How do you test for one or the other? tensor?
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djf They may be similar but they are not THAT similar. It is all explained in the link that I gave in my previous post. At one point, the pekana remedies are incinerated, purified and the pure plant minerals are extracted. You can read about it in the link.
My LLMD has had me use L-drain and K-drain (lymph and kidney drainage remedies) from Transformation Enzymes. They are herbal drainage remedies not homeopathics. http://renewalenterprises.com/k-drain.html
The most powerful drainage remedies that I've used to date are made from plant buds/embryonic materials and they are a class of drainage remedies called gemmotherapy. I've heard them referred to as plant stem cell therapy. There is a German brand called gemmo that I found extremely helpful. I'd still be using it if I could get it here. You can get it from certain practioners here in the U.S., I just don't happen to be seeing anyone that has them at the moment.
There are other brands of gemmotherapy. Apparently Dolisos has started making them and another brand that I've used is called Unda. Looks like many more are coming on the market recently.
Terry I'm not a doctor
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Terry, I am talking similar like adrenal essence is to Adrenal from Nutramedix.
Not the same ingredients, not the same formulation, but DESIGNED to do the same.
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Nutramedix is now producing homeopathy? I thought they weren't.
Spagiric remedies are certainly different than homeopathic.
Each formula (Desbio, Heel, Pekana) is NOT the same even though they are labelled to act on lymph, liver etc. They are VERY different.
Same way that there are dozens if not HUNDREDS of plants that have action on the liver. Each plant act in the liver in a DIFFERNT way.
If so, we would need only milk thistle and that would be it. That's NOT the case. Each case is a case. And believe me, as you progress on treatment, your liver will need different things. and same goes for other organs.
Even if you can compare formulas, they are different in a similar way as HERBS are different. No way you can say if you take milk thistle you'll never need dandelion, or amargo, or any bitter herbs.
Each herb has its own field of action, and when in combination will act even different again. Imagine then that we are using herbs in homeopathic dilutions and then combining different herbal dilutions (or other products) AND still combining these in different POTENCIES AND DILUTIONS. That makes A LOT of difference in between products.
My preferences goes to normal homeopathic dilutions. I have a few Pekana products I like (Mucan, great for candida and mucor toxins), but as for detox, as someone said, each one has their favorites (for me Heel are much better).
But without comparison to any of these ready made formulas are energetically INDIVIDUALLY tested substances (usually only one substance at a time) for EACH organ. I used that for years during lyme. About 5-6 different SINGLE homeopathic products at a time, specifically tested for me.
During the years, I took literally HUNDREDS of different substances in different potencies, that I kept changing every 2-4 weeks as my body and toxins were changing. My main lyme doctor used these individual substances as MAIN part of his treatment (antimicrobials came after).
He never used any Heel, Pekana, etc, none of the ready made formulas with me. I use Heel as people use aspirin (a sort of fast emergency treatment). But when I really want to work on detox, I just go for individual substances.
If someone dowses, I can tell you a book to buy and you can find for each organ which substance is needed. And believe me, your body will ask for a change every two weeks or so. Just send me a PM. But if you don't dowse, the book will serve for nothing.
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No Nutramedix is not producing homeopathics.
I am likening 2 prodcuts as an example as they are both designed to do the same thing, just as pekana & heel are both designed to support detoxification of the organs. (same thing, different measures)
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As I said, there are hundreds of plants said to act on the liver, more dozens on the lymph (if not hundreds too), more other hundreds to act on the kidneys and drainage.
None of these herbs are the same just because they act on an organ. A bit like antibiotics for borrelia. None of them are the same, they all are individual different substances (even if penicilin also kills borrelia, it is not amoxi nor doxi).
On person will react to amoxi but not to doxi, another to pencilin, other to rocephin, and each person will react to different drugs during different phases of disease, some others will react only to combos, some others to none of these antibiotics...
Same for any herbal product. Besides, herbal products are MUCH more complex than single chemicals like antibiotics. Because they contain dozens to hundreds of chemicals that will act synergistically depending on concentration.
In my feeling, we need constant change of substances for cleansing the body. Each organ needs different support during different phases of treatment.
Nutramedix products as far as I know are more similar to plant tinctures (they add some energy signatures though in the last years, but they don't disclose what kind of thing exactly it is), but as far as I know, they are NOT homeopathic.
They will act like herbs do, mostly. That means, that they are loaded with chemical components (made from plants) plus some energy signature, but the main part is chemical.
Homeopathic products belong to a total different category as they are chemically mostly WATER with some energetic frequency. Most have nothing else than water, sometimes alcohol for preservation, sometimes some sugar (non active, just as a support for getting the imprinted water).
In no way, if you take a liver support formula that will be enough for your whole treatment. While milk thistle alone can do miracles, I needed MUCH more than milk thistle to stand herxes.
I find this is important to say, because people may stop trying new substances to clean their organs just because they think they got THE liver support formula, see what I mean?
Same as with abx and killers, no one can EVER stop at a single killer if you want to get rid of this disease (chronic lyme). I feel that finding right cleansers is MUCH more complex than finding killers.
And I don't think one single product will do the job for each organ. It would be great if it did though (same as killers...). That's why it is great that people keep trying different substances and sharing their experiences here!
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