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been on both and probably did not take high enough doses of abx for long enough
they helped tremendously
then I did herbs for 18 months and go by but never symptom free
then I got worried about my kidneys (plus being tired of taking things 3-4*/day)
now I have the chance to get on abx again or go with a really great herbalist
what would you do?
I am worried about my gut / good bacteria and have been doing fine - sorta - on the herbs
should I just do the herbs longer?
went off everything in January and started herbs again, real quick, in June when I had a terrific flare
from Lyme coming back? from the raw colostrum I took? (1 Gal over two days - if from colostrum: was it a giant herx or an infection I got from that??) from a new bite I did not see?
ugh!
it is so hard to know / guess what's what and then decide where to go from here
I had a huge swollen knee and the migraine of my life and fibrillations that made me think I will die now, right now
better now with herbs again
but would you rather do the Burrascano recommendations or try herbs again?
sorry I am repeating myself - rambling
just worn out with all this decision making and health insurance issues and costs and outlook for the future
not sure if the Lyme is eating me up and progressing or what
I was much worse at one point (insomnia, IBS, dementia, joint pains) - now the fibrillations and the swollen knee and left chest pain and heart rhythm changes
I heard some of you worried about too many abx as well - did they get you well, though?
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I think abx only work even with Burrascano's protocol for about half the people who use them (what my doc said). The other half need to try something else.
I tried the Burrascano protocol and it did not work for me for whatever reason, plus it was terrible for my gut. I even ate right 100% of the time too, no sugar, gluten, dairy and still it did not work for me. Also, I couldn't eat hardly anything afterwards due to the damage from the abx.
I would do herbs in an instant or try any other alternative method until you find something that hits it, maintains or manages it, knocks it down or kills it: (rife, pemf, ondamed, photons, etc).
All that said, follow your gut. If you feel they worked well for you in the past, then go for it. I will admit that they knocked it back for me, but the damage they did was beyond bad. If I had it to do over again I would try anything else though but that's me (we're all different).
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Either one or the other, no warranty for being symptom free.
Unfortunately.
ABx cause damage that may take longer to heal.
I would say: energy testing. With a good practitioner. That can tell you a way to go: at least, in my opinion.
It's never simple, when it already got chronic. But the important thing is to improve, slowly, but improve.
I could get to remission (no symptom) only with herbs, homeopathy, tapping, teeth treatments, chelation etc. But in less than 4 months, I got a relapse.
The way I got to remission before I knew about photons, was a combination of SO MANY DIFFERENT things that it made impossible for the infections to develop.
Many people here take about 50-60 stuff a day.
But not many take all these 50-60 things (herbs, homeopathy, supplements) energetically tuned, right amount, right frequency.
It makes THE WHOLE difference, in my opinion, when you test things and combinations energetically.
Before energy testing, I kept buying herbs, supplements... Then when I could do that myself, things got much easier, and I spent much less as I only bought what I really needed!!
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Example of how I (or the practitioner) found the herbs / supplements / treatments:
1- knee pain: I ask, is it caused by infections? Yes.
Which pathogen? It comes Borrelia and Candida parapsilosis, for example.
2. I ask: what kills Borrelia? I get andrographis, for ex. Then I ask: is this enough? No. Can astragalus help? Yes.
Are andro and astragalus enough for my knee pain? No. Do I need rife? Yes. So I find the frequency.
Then I measure how much andro, how much astragalus, and ingest that.
Then I ask: how many minutes do I need this Rife frequency? I get an answer.
then I ask: is this all enough to eliminate Borrelia in my knee? No.
Do I need anything else ingested? No.
Do andro and astragalus reach my knee? No. Do I need tapping, acupuncture? Yes. So I find the points to tap.
I tap, then ask again: is andro and astrag entering inside my knee now? Yes.
I do then the Rife frequency. Then I ask: will this be enough for Borrelia there? Yep.
I write all that down, how many times a day or week I need that treatment (andro, astragalus, tapping and rife).
In one week I test again to see if I can increase or change herbs, frequencies, tapping points.
--------------------- 2- then I go after Candida parapsilosis in the knee. I usually need only one homeopathic nosode for that. I take it and ask: is it enough for Candida paraps? Yes
3- Are both treatments enough to eliminate knee pain? Yes.
(if I get a no, I would go and ask for food allergies, or glucosamine, chelators, or whatever comes in my mind)
That is just for the knee!!
4- If Borrelia is in the knee, it will be everywhere. Sometimes, I won't find it anywhere after taking these stuff for my knee.
If I still find Borrelia in my brain (for example), I continue asking and tuning herbs or acupuncture points, until I found nothing else.
5- so this goes for Borrelia (whole body) and knee pain. Then I go on, testing either organs, lymph, hormones, whatever I find I need to feel better.
I also test binders, or I fall even sicker after taking these herbs and frequencies!
It's hard work, but I don't see how it would have been possible (before I knew photons) otherwise.
Herbal combinations (and drug combinations) are so personal, and vary almost day by day for the same person!!!
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That is how I 'know' abx don't test usually if you put herbs as alternative (herbs in combination test superior, mostly).
that is how I 'know' nosodes sometimes test superior to herbs (herbs stop testing if I do nosode treatment for some pathogens).
this is a the way some kinesiologists test and I learned most of that with Dr. K's ART courses.
It's not 100% right, but it is MUCH better than guessing. Dr. K says it is about 80% right, most of the time, if done correctly.
Anyway, I do think the only way to get rid of 100% of lyme symptoms have to go through some sort of energy testing.
Reaching 60-70% can be easy with trial and error, and any method you do. The next 70-90% takes longer, because it's harder to guess.
The last 90-100% gets almost impossible, in my opinion. It may take a life time to get to 100%, unless you get some hint as help!
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Thanks brussels ..your methodology is spot on ...
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You're welcome!
Brussels, you're awesome! I love all the detail in what you posted (really helpful). :)
Harmony, have you tried muscle testing yet (what Brussels does above)? It has helped me tons. I can't imagine treating lyme without it. I muscle test everything (even my doc does it).
If you knew how to muscle test, you could ask your body if herbs or abx would benefit you now. It is so simple to learn (you tube).
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I would like to try it but not sure where to start?
Is there a good practitioner in each area of the country?
we don't have a "seeking an ART specialist" category - only seeking an LLMD
how do you find someone?
you tube?
would you have a link?
Thank you so much!
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Harmony, what part of the USA do you live in?
I find homeopathy superior to herbs
(in our family member's case) but for sure
herbs, like ALL healing things, have their place.
Herbs are a nice no brainer and easily available
to all. Homeopathy is complex and needs a very
educated one to sort out things. I agree with
Brussels on the antibiotics issue. I agree that
energy testing is where it is at. Even if you use
a pendulum - it will help guide. Years ago, I
was very skeptical of pendulums and so! one day I
went into a health food store and tested, with a
pendulum, every single item on the shelves! Out
of the WHOLE store - only 3 things were good for
me. 3 things I would have never looked at! I
bought them. Their actions were profound so
basically....
I believe!
I am into supporting the terrain of the body so
it can fix itself. As what Brussels and I were
talking about in another thread - these bugs
change all the time. Maybe even minute to minute.
I can see it with my Asyra scanner. That is why
supporting the gut/body terrain so the immune
system can sort itself out is key.
Thanks Brussels for typing that all out! That was
a lot of work. I have many clinical
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You're welcome! I hope I can tune to your channel and we can talk over the Atlantic, Lookup!
Funny story of the pendulum!
Exactly that, when you can test with some confidence, you realize you just dump most of the supplements out and keep the most important only.
It's only experience and time that can 'prove' you these tests do work (or not).
In my case, that is how I 'erased' symptom by symptom, pathogen by pathogen, until I didn't know anymore if I had symptoms or not (the only ones left were too subtle, or the infection was gone).
I was literally desperate, and the fact that, in my example above, my knee pain simply disappeared very fast (for example), that 'proved' to me my tests were working.
That is how I 'cancelled' babesia, bart. First by symptoms, then I just scanned bart or babesia in my whole body (because they DO HIDE, I swear).
They hide specially in parts that had injury (or in teeth, scars, accidents...), or in parts that somehow get blocked (energy blocked, no matter what you ingest, take, you never get the medicine where you want, because there is a meridian just blocking access).
I suppose meridians get ill, like cells or organs get ill, and then they perform less well. A meridian in trouble means, no matter what you do, it will be hard to treat certain parts of your body.
The fact that I was getting better made me go on with the tests, and I swore to myself, I was not going to take anything that didn't test. So I did, and so bart and babs went dormant.
It was like a revelation to me!!! It felt like that!
--------------- I do believe that lack of circulation, oxygen, nutrients, immune cells in certain parts of the body are just because of stuck meridians.
Meridians can get stuck like blood circulation, lymph can get stuck.
The solution is so simple, baby simple (tapping, massaging), but you need a high developed intuition, or simply, energy tests for that.
Tapping acupuncture points can save lives really. Just because medicine, nutrition, immune cells and lymph are allowed to circulate in those sick parts, if you tap....
Most people have no idea about such energy blockades (meridian blockades).
Fortunately, sometimes frequencies (Rife, photons, PEMF, etc) bypass these blockades, so you don't need to treat them.
But nothing INGESTED will bypass meridian blockades. So you keep spending money, for nothing...
you can have the good medicine, in the good amount, but it won't heal what you want to heal because it never reaches the point, unless you tap.
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That is another reason why homeopathy is superior too. Homeopathy usually bypasses blockades too, as it does not depend on physical pathways.
Homeopathy goes directly to the photon field of the patient. The problem is that when the patient is very ill, so is the photon field (weak). That is when photon devices or taking sunlight can help.
--------------------------------- Anyway, if you guys know what ART is, how the body is scanned for problems BEFORE you open your mouth to say which symptoms you have, you'll take your hats off for that technique.
Which doctor can scan all main organs, main glands in 3 different levels: organ itself as an organ, lymph (matrix) where toxins are in each organ, then each cell (if they are ill or not)?
I felt like having an x-ray through my body, really. Then through ART they see all your meridians, food allergies, switchings (bad meridian balance), psycho blockades (they do exist!).
Then you place all your supplements and test them, one by one, take the ones you don't need off, leave the ones you need there.
Then you start adding things (hormones in homeopathy, binders, killers, whatever) and you see the whole picture of the set of supplements you were taking, changing every new substance you add.
You add one bottle of something, and then 5 of your supplements stop testing good. It means, instead of taking 5, you just take 1.
With killers, this is so funny: you can really know what is the hierarchy of killers because when you add real good stuff, the rest stop testing. You don't need them anymore.
Your body has a preference, that is different than another body, to treat the same pathogen.
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This pathogen hunt I did (babs and bart) was when I thought pathogens were the MAIN culprits for my disease. And I had so many symptoms, handicapping really, that I had to treat them like that (I was desperate).
Today, I'm much more relaxed and as Lookup said, better is to build the terrain of the body so that you don't need desperate measures and crazy testing like these any longer!
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