Keebler
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- Thanks. If nothing shows, just click onto the side menu line: Show PDF in full window
at the right of the charts, Can anyone tell me what the NS stands for in the charts - and, I guess, for the other three letter capital letter groups, too?
Or note the paragraph number that explains it?
My eyes could not find an explanation for that in the text and my eyes are rather fuzzy these days so that does not help.
Some NS have numbers behind them. -
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Tincup
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LOVE it that researchers are looking at alternatives for answers to our situation. They did a great job! Three thumbs up!
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Here is where it explains what you are asking. I think.
BSH medium, Buffered Schamm and Hestrin’s;
BSK; Barbour–Stoenner–Kelly;
EC, effective concentration eradicating biofilm;
MBC, minimal bactericidal concentration;
MIC, minimal inhibitory concentration;
NS, not susceptible.
Testing was performed with two species such as Borrelia burgdorferi and Borrelia garinii.
Subscript index at the MIC value indicates the percent of inhibition at the provided concentration expressed as μg/ml in 1.5 ml of BSK complete medium at 33°C after 72 h;
the MBC value indicates the percent of killing at the provided concentration expressed as μg/ml in 1.5 ml of BSH complete medium at 33°C after 72 h, according to [Goc et al. 2015].
NS, not susceptible.
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Keebler
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- lookup and Tincup,
yes, that's what I needed.
You rock & you rhyme. Thanks so much. Quick work. My eyes scoured and did not see all that you seemingly so easily found. Cheers! -
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That will be $49.95.
BTW Keebler- if someone posts a link to something inspiring and beautiful (and it truly is)- Betty G sent it out today- DON'T look at it.
I tried to watch it and vertigo got so bad I had to hold onto the desk to do so, all the while it was making me totally loopy! Too many jumping and moving parts!
I thought of you nearly the whole time! Just so you know in advance....
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Oops! Sorry for the duplicate! Tincup, are you are sure your real name isn't Speedy Gonzales? Posts: 764 | From Northwest | Registered: Sep 2014
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HA! Are you sure your name isn't "Biting At My Heels"? Or another rear end body part? YIKES!
Actually, there was only 4 minutes between all of the posts, so you should be getting a prize for that! Good for you!
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- TC,
appreciate the head's up on the vestibular experience. It's a rough ride sometimes with surprises that can toss me off the tracks for the rest of the day. Prevention always good. -
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Interesting that Fucoidan had no effect-- and that Serrapeptase was effective for both motile spiros, cysts and biofilm at only 50 MIC and 250 EC for the biofilm.
I was amazed to see that most of the compounds they looked at--- I have already included on my long running list here!! I hope they will look at more on my list, including eugenol and holy basil, among many others. Also-- I'd like to see results for NEEM, Mangosteen and Noni.
One thing that surprised me was the general ineffectiveness of the compounds they looked at against borrelia biofilm--- the only compounds that were effective, according to the compounds on their list were:
Black walnut green hull, apricot seed, anise and serrapeptase --- all with an EC of 500, except the serrapeptase, which was effective at 250.
Their inclusion of MIC values in the article is excellent--- (I think the lower the number, better, if I am not wrong.) They didnt have baicelein(Skullcap) and monolaurin(Coconut oil) on their chart but in the text it said:
"We also observed that, although they could not eliminate rounded forms in 90–99%, a few of them were potent enough to induce their death in 50%. These compounds included hydroxytyrosol (olive leaf extract?), 10-HAD (cis- 2-decenoic acid)(Royal Jelly), baicalein(Skullcap) and monolaurin at their MBC50 values ranging from 300 to 500 μg/ml. In addition, flavones such as baicalein and luteolin, as well as fatty acids such as monolaurin and 10-HAD, used at concentrations 200–500 μg/ml could reduce biofilm-like colonies formed by Borrelia burgdorferi sensu stricto by 30–60%. However, only baicalein (Skullcap) and monolaurin applied at the same concentrations were effective in reducing biofilm formed by Borrelia garinii by approxi- mately 40–60% [Goc et al. 2015]"
On their chart, the black walnut hulls and apricot seeds have excellent MICs, and are also effective against biofilm--- that was a surprise to me!!! I knew black walnut hulls were effective against parasites, but have not seen it used much in Lyme.
I guess Hulda Clark was a genius... LOL...
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Wakeup!
So glad you "got it". I know it says something important- shame on me for admitting this....
But watching that video mentioned above earlier really knocked my brain for a loop! And my eyes and head. Even got indigestion, from the nausea I guess? Wicked.
Anyhow... I am thankful you broke it down for me and others. Much appreciated. Easier for me in little bites right now.
I am still too "off" right now to grasp it all or do anything but goof off here, but do you know if the apricot seed contains a poison- old lace- can't think of the name- arsenic. ???
Or is that just in apple seeds? I saw apricot seeds on my skim of the article earlier and haven't looked it up.
On the reservation I use to crush black walnut hulls up and soak them in water for a long time to make a floor disinfectant for use inside an old historic home. (Not allowed to use modern stuff.)
The floors were so nice you could eat off them, so I knew it was killing all sorts of nasty stuff.
Thanks again for your notes and comments. More are welcomed if you care to share!
Wakeup - Yes! Hulda was pretty smart. I first saw the book she wrote, "The Cure to All Diseases" on a friend's bookshelf. I thought, "Mmm hmm, quack book." Then I opened it and skimmed it and the next thing I thought was, "Oh my gosh! I have parasites!"
Next thing I did was buy a Zapper and herbs and the rest is history.
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Tinny you are the best ...i was listening to cass ingram and wss wondering is he smart or crazy or both...thanks for the post . ...i need to get more royal jelly too thanks wakeup...maybe back to the artminsin and the andrographis ,this rocephin is bunk
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Love it, thanks Tincup!
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Tincup
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Glad to know some people found it helpful. And you are welcome!
I'm going to go thru it again for tips that may ring a bell once my bell is fixed.
BTW- Apologies to BettyG if I made it appear to be her fault I was dippy after watching the video she shared.
It was NOT her fault I had problems with the video. I saw it was going to be bad (for me) and watched it anyway. Totally MY fault.
So glad you "got it". I know it says something important- shame on me for admitting this....
But watching that video mentioned above earlier really knocked my brain for a loop! And my eyes and head. Even got indigestion, from the nausea I guess? Wicked.
Anyhow... I am thankful you broke it down for me and others. Much appreciated. Easier for me in little bites right now.
I am still too "off" right now to grasp it all or do anything but goof off here, but do you know if the apricot seed contains a poison- old lace- can't think of the name- arsenic. ???
Or is that just in apple seeds? I saw apricot seeds on my skim of the article earlier and haven't looked it up.
On the reservation I use to crush black walnut hulls up and soak them in water for a long time to make a floor disinfectant for use inside an old historic home. (Not allowed to use modern stuff.)
The floors were so nice you could eat off them, so I knew it was killing all sorts of nasty stuff.
Thanks again for your notes and comments. More are welcomed if you care to share!
You're welcome!! I just scanned the article and need to re-read it to absorb all the info.
To answer your question--- yes the apricot kernel, apple seeds, and other foods have amygdalin, a form of cyanide that is toxic to cancer cells (and now it seems, also to Lyme, according to this study)
but not toxic in small amounts to body cells, since our cells produce a chemical that detoxifies it---- but cancer and borrelia does not..
I think amygdalin is also known as laetrile or Vitamin B17-- and there was a huge coverup regarding the effectiveness of Laetrile or Vitamin B17 a while ago--
there is just too much money to be made by expensive chemotherapy which MDs get $6,000 kickbacks for-----
so the powers that be---"they"-- had to demonize it since it supposedly only takes 5-8 apricot kernels a day to heal cancer over a few months. This is just pennies a day versus tens of thousands for chemo
All a person has to do is just buy 5 apricots, cut off the fruit pulp down to the pit, then crack the pit with a nutcracker, and inside is the kernel!!
If I ever get cancer, I will start with one a day, and work up to 8 apricot kernels per day for a few months .
Suffice it to say that this cyanide compound is widely found in fruits and vegetables that we eat every day and is readily detoxified by the body in daily reasonable amounts.
You would have to eat 50 apricot kernels to get cyanide poisoning --- if that.
But I would only do this if I were very very sick, and I am not a doctor and I am not recommending anything here.
The results of this study, do however show that the apricot kernels are moderately effective at dissolving Lyme biofilm in vitro --- so its kind of exciting for us in the Lyme community.
(breaking up the post for easier reading)
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Tincup
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Wake-up! Thanks so much for the further explanation. Detailed and perfect, and my lame brain actually absorbed it!
Funny- when I was very young- many moons ago- I somehow learned that apple seeds could be poisonous and it stuck with me. Maybe I was eating them and my parents told me that?
Or maybe that was part of the discussion I was exposed to when I believed if I swallowed a watermelon seed or an orange seed a tree would grow in my tummy?
Anyhow, glad THAT wasn't true! HA!
And yes, the chemo "politics" make me boil too. In fact, the whole medical system is not at all what I'd thought it would/should be over the years, and with the ability of the IDSA and CDC to run-a-muck the way they do it is just sinful.
Oops, I almost got started on a tangent to kick the bad boys all over town, which I am NOT going to do today.
Today is Music Monday! We'll start here (a tiny kick in the head for the baddies)...
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