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Hi all, I've been on 1,000 mg biaxin for the last 3 months with not much improvement, still feel like crap. I have mainly neuro symptoms, mainly anxiety, confusion brain fog , forgetfulness etc.. I was first diagnosed about 6 years ago, with spect scan, and MRI(white spots on brain). Blood and spinal tap came back negative. I'm also on 20 mg paxil for the anxiety. My symtoms started back a little over a year ago. I am starting to doubt if i have lyme again. Is it possible its something else? What antibiotics do you reccomend ? I'm a 35 year old male and have a LLMD appt on thursday. Just need some ideas to throw at the doc. Thanks so much!!! Kevin
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Monica
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Kevin, sorry you haven't gotten much relief.
I also am on 1000mg of Biaxin daily but in addition I take Ceftin 500mg daily.
You need both types of antibiotics to combat the cystic form of the disease as well.
Please discuss this with your doctor.
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Monica
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Thanks for the info, although that's not what my doctor said! I'll have to take it up with him.
I am improving, however.
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What exactly is cystic form of lyme? Thats new to me. Thanks, Kevin
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Hey Kevin, I'm not as good at explaining how the drugs work compared to the others, but I'll give it a try.
Lyme is polymorphic, meaning that it changes its structure. It hides out in organs, muscles, bloodstream, etc. In the chronic stages, the lyme bacteria builds a protective shell around itself - a cyst, which makes treating it very difficult. Doxy for example won't put a dent in cystic lyme.
The theory is that you need two meds when the lyme is cystic - one that will rupture the cyst, and the other to suck the life out of the lyme bacteria when it comes creeping out. So biaxin only works on one part of that process.....
This is where I come up short...don't know which biaxin does - the rupturing or sucking. Now in my case, I'm using tinidazole and biaxin. These two in combination deliver the one-two punch. I am seeing improvement - slow and steady but moving forward nonetheless.
Sorry....I'm one of the lesser drug knowledgabele lymies here....I defer to my lyme doc. He's great about explaining how everything works, and I get it, but once I leave the appt, I forget.....
Hope this helped a little.... cootiegirl
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Monica, as far as I understand, Lyme Ed is right about the Biaxin and Ceftin not treating the cyst form. I'm not a doctor, but this is what I understand.
In fact, Ceftin and other cephalasporins may cause the spirochete to morph into the cyst form.
The cyst form is also called the cell wall deficient or L form. The spirochetes have been shown to change into it when under adverse conditions.
Rocephin, Ceftin and Omnicef are cell wall inhibiting antibiotics, and can create the kind of environment where this happens. When in the cyst form, Bb is not vulnerable to most antibiotics.
Flagyl, Tinidazole, and Plaquenil are often used for the cyst form. It's believed that they don't actually kill the cysts, but they force them out of cyst form so your other antibiotics can kill them.
Kevin, many doctors will use combinations of antibiotics to be more effective. Look in Dr. Burrascanno's protocol. It is especially good to use two that have complementary modes of action. Biaxin and Ceftin is one example of that.
Biaxin is a protein synthesis inhibitor, and Ceftin is a cell wall inhibitor. That way you attack the ketes on two fronts.
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