I am thinking strongly about buying a rife like device. Continue on the antibiotics, continue to get testing done, but try something else.

I belong to the lyme/rife group, have posted on there, but want some feedback from others on here if they have used it and it FAILED them.

It is lots of money for the machine that I am thinking to get. I think it would be about $2600 Cnd, maybe more.

If it can get me well, then I will buy it, but the thought of it NOT getting me well, and then being in debt this much, is not a good thing.

I have read many positive stories using rife, some have their life back using it, but I now want to know if there are any people on here, that are on the antibiotics, that used the rife like devices and they/it failed them.

I cannot afford to stop the antibiotics, but would do the rifing at the same time, then take it from there.

I WANT TO GET THIS SICK SHOW of mine on the road, cannot take another day of this STUCK in the house from being so sick.
I WANT OUT and am soooooo angry have to do something.

I am awaiting my the bartonella and the brucella tests done, possibly if these are positive, I can then get different treatment.

BUT for now, want to know about my backup plan.

thanks,

I understand very well how you feel. I was in the same situation - looking for a backup plan and hearing the success stories of people using Rife.

But I'd never have spent thousands of $ without being sure that it really helps. Fortunately, we have a German Rife group here. They are recommending to use a simple frequency generator and they explain which one and how to use it.

Everything (generator, wiring and copper foot plate and hand contacts) costs less than USD 300,-. So there was not that much to loose and I got one.

I guess it is a bit more complicated to use than a brand Rife machine but one can manage. Maybe you can ask at the Rife group if someone is using something similar?

I don't know how powerful a "real" Rife machine is. All I can say is that my frequency generator is working well and right now, I don't feel that I'd want the herxes that I get from it to be any stronger.

I'm still on abx, too as I also feel safer with it. But I don't want to stay on them all my life.

Gabrielle

I was also wondering about the issue that rife machines perform better if one is not on antibiotics. I remember SkyKing saying that before, as he just did again. I was thinking of asking him, why might that be?

I know that I am just speculating here, but could it be that one doesn't get much of a response with a rife machine if one is taking antibiotics because the antibiotics are doing the job of killing off a lot of the Lyme bacteria?

Or could it be that the bacteria hide out in other cells in our bodies when antibiotics are present, but not in the blood or outside cells where they can be attacked by the antibiotics? In other words, the bacteria "sense" the antibiotics and stay hidden. And thus don't get killed.

On the other hand, with the rife machine treatment without antibiotics, do more of the bacteria let down their guard and emerge from cells and then get killed off by the electro-magnetic waves, or whatever it is that kills them?

Oops, I'm thinking that the rife treatment can only kill bacteria like antibiotics do. But shouldn't the rife technique be able to kill bacteria in our cells that can't be reached by antibiotics?

And finally, can the rife technique kill off all of the bad guys, or will there still be some hanging around like there is with antibiotic treatment, for those like myself that can't take flagyl to knock off the cyst forms?

If the latter is the case, then one would just be controlling the disease, not a cure, like some are able to do with antibiotics. I would hope that the rife treatments would be less harsh on our bodies than these antibiotics are, but I'm not sure. What, if any, are the bad effects of long term usage of rife machines?

As is obvious by my thoughts and questions, I have not researched this topic hardly at all. I'm glad to hear from SkyKing that there are cheaper machines out there, but what is really the best one to get? And why is it the best?

I would like to go climb Mt. Rainier, too.

So I would like to hear some answers to these questions from SkyKing, please.

But I also want to hear from others who have not been "cured" by the Rife machines for whatever reason.

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Originally posted by caveman:
Thanks, Trish, for posting this question. I was thinking the same thing a couple of days ago. We hear about the successes, but what about the failures with the rife machines?

I was also wondering about the issue that rife machines perform better if one is not on antibiotics. I remember SkyKing saying that before, as he just did again. I was thinking of asking him, why might that be?

I know that I am just speculating here, but could it be that one doesn't get much of a response with a rife machine if one is taking antibiotics because the antibiotics are doing the job of killing off a lot of the Lyme bacteria?

Or could it be that the bacteria hide out in other cells in our bodies when antibiotics are present, but not in the blood or outside cells where they can be attacked by the antibiotics? In other words, the bacteria "sense" the antibiotics and stay hidden. And thus don't get killed.

On the other hand, with the rife machine treatment without antibiotics, do more of the bacteria let down their guard and emerge from cells and then get killed off by the electro-magnetic waves, or whatever it is that kills them?

Oops, I'm thinking that the rife treatment can only kill bacteria like antibiotics do. But shouldn't the rife technique be able to kill bacteria in our cells that can't be reached by antibiotics?

And finally, can the rife technique kill off all of the bad guys, or will there still be some hanging around like there is with antibiotic treatment, for those like myself that can't take flagyl to knock off the cyst forms?

If the latter is the case, then one would just be controlling the disease, not a cure, like some are able to do with antibiotics. I would hope that the rife treatments would be less harsh on our bodies than these antibiotics are, but I'm not sure. What, if any, are the bad effects of long term usage of rife machines?

As is obvious by my thoughts and questions, I have not researched this topic hardly at all. I'm glad to hear from SkyKing that there are cheaper machines out there, but what is really the best one to get? And why is it the best?

I would like to go climb Mt. Rainier, too.

So I would like to hear some answers to these questions from SkyKing, please.

But I also want to hear from others who have not been "cured" by the Rife machines for whatever reason.

Caveman

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Found an alternative practioner who treated me for parasites and candida with a frequency generator I purchased through Naptech for $1,100.00.

Initially I felt a little better then felt a whole lot worse. The treatments left me herxing for a long time.

This practioner followed Hulda Clark's protocol and maybe because she wasn't treating lyme I never improved however, my friend had stage 4 breast cancer and didn't see any results either.

My official lyme diagnosis wasn't given until August of this year.

I've even considered using my frequency generator on a trial basis to see if it works for this.

If possible I'd definitely try before you buy it. As you know, what works for one person may not work for someone else.

Good luck!

Skyking, which machines are those?

I have the package you sent me on the site, read through it all, and after looking more into it, the GB machine, is what most were getting well with I seemed to feel.

What machine would you recommend to buy if one has lung involvement, really infested lung problems?
I am not sure if it is lyme in the lungs, or a coinfection, still waiting for my results from the tests.
DId the biaxin, the flagyl and the zithro for about one year, now doing the Doxy.

I am on the Doxy, and can only handle 100mgs two times a day, anymore would kill me, the herxing.

I dont want to one day have there come a day when the antibiotics stop working, I would die then.

So, a backup plan is in order here.

thanks,

Just for the record, the only time that I have not gotten good results (no Lyme symptoms) with rifing was when I was transitioning off antibiotics or when I'm herxing. I am now 1.5 years off antibiotics, rifing weekly, feeling great and working full time.

I dismissed rifing for a long time, until it was clear to me that abx were not doing the trick and I needed to try something else.
I'm glad I took the next step!

Good Luck with journey,
Ernie

I got troutscout hooked and it worked for him also, I believe. Bryan now lists it on his site. It worked for me.

I havent used it in quite some time, it didnt fail me, I simply just cant take the herxs from it sometimes. Plus, I moved and packed it away. Your guess is as good as mine as to where it may be in this house.

You answered a question I had been wondering about in the previous answer to Caveman about the bacteria being suppressed indefinitely with antibiotics. Some time back I came across a Web site that showed the keets going into cyst form within a 15-minute period, but I was unable to find an answer about how long they could stay in this form.

I am currently working with an herbalist/nutritionist that is trying to get my system alkalized/hydrated/nutrified, etc. She is going on the premise that if you make your body an unfriendly environment to the pathogens, they will eventually "leave" the environment.

I would appreciate your feedback on this theory.

I started on Samento shortly after testing positive this summer along with getting the bio-terrain healthy, but am also currently on abx, primarily due to family pressure to do "something" other than alternative treatment.

I will give it awhile longer to pacify the powers that be, and then will most likely begin with the rife. I don't like what problems long-term abx can cause.

In all cases the problems were dental infections caused by a variety of dental interventions (root canals, bridges, crowns, wisdom teeth - removed or still present). Most the time the patient is totally unaware of the problem because "they don't hurt", while over time the toxic release in form of mercaptan or thioether moves not only through the jaw/sinuses, etc. but readily enters the brain. Often these toxins are found even in the feet. Many of the plantar fascitis problems are just that (or heavy metals), when all of a sudden a person can't walk any more because the foot hurts so bad. These toxins are easily detectible with ART testing, but most the time not found by a regular dentist that is not familiar with this subject or in total denial that such a thing exists. My doctor feels without a doubt that the thioether is the toughtest toxin to the brain and can cause a multitude of neurologicel symptoms.
My husband was at times totally unable to walk and in a wheelchair.

Many patients, whether Lyme and co-infections, from Parkinsons to MS and ALS and cancer, that have addressed their dental situation seriously have found health again and are doing well. I am not talking heavy metal, such as mercury, etc. removal. It goes without saying that as long as you harbor excessive mercury and other chemicals in your body, the chances of getting totally well are limited.

Both my husband and myself had to go that route on top of antibiotics, rife, and every other type of therapy one can think of - I think we had them all. But the top-of-the-world feeling did not set in until the teeth that had infected large areas of the jaw were removed.

Now we are both totally well and Lyme-free and I must say I do not miss my root canals and bridges.

So Rife does work, but again, only in conjunction with a lot of other work.

We have a small portable Rife/microcurrent, the size of a cellular telephone, on battery, that contains every frequency one can think of, covering all the seven Lyme infections, fungi, parasites, heart infections, general infections, shingles, lymph drainage, tissue regeneration, cellular repair, etc. It has four channels covering all the above and I used to carry it in my purse. If I ever have a problem, it's there for all sorts of applications. Our doctor was the medical advisor on the development of the little S21.

I would highly recommend Rife and microcurrent, but would be very, very careful if still heavy metal toxic. Many a "herx" from antibiotics is interpreted as a herx, while actually it is part of the kill of Lyme, but also mobilization of heavy metals that should have been addressed before or at least one should be aware that the metal instead needs to be dealt with. If you still have metals in your system, what many refer to as "herxing" can go on endlessly. If you still have mercury in your system, the Lyme is very difficult to extinguish.

Rife, etc. is great, if done at the right time and under the right conditions.

Good luck.

I think you're totally correct. Just started seeing a dentist who is mercury free and has the same theory you just outlined.

Plantar fascitis and horrible bilateral knee pain have been an issue for me. Even saw a podiatrist who put me in orthotics and hoenstly didn't work.

Please explain to me what art testing is?

My dentist will not push to pull root canaled teeth but explained how toxic they are and this means toxins are in my system.

You also mention briges are bad...why?

Is it due to infection in the extracted teeth?

Were you able to do your dental work and continue lyme treatment or did you take a break and do one at a time.

Unfortunately I tend to be sensitive...big surprise!

Thank you for enlightening me and congratulations on regaining your health!

I totally agree! I just this week had the rest of my amalgam fillings and a crown containing metal removed by a biological dentist here in Tulsa.

He also did a cavitat, but I don't yet know what he is going to recommend. He said it did show problems where my wisdom teeth were removed many years ago. He is also going to do the ART testing. I'm really excited that he is only a couple of miles from me!