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I am 29 year old active male who was devestated with Lyme, and it took a year to diagnose. Now that I've been on HEAVY ABX for six months....does anyone have an opinion on working out? Will running and working out with weights help kill the remaining Ketes? Thanks,
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Yes, I do have a very good LLMD here...Dr. H.
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I ride a bicycle as much as I can. Low impact - helps keep my joints loose-fun- you see the neighborhood. -- Jay --- Posts: 2999 | From Austin tx USA | Registered: Oct 2004
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I try to work out every day. Some days I just can't do more than a few yoga stretches. My MD says to slow it down becuase when I feel good I will jog or cycle. My personal opinion is that it is good to get the oxygen into the blood. If I overdo it, I pay the next day but, I am still glad I did it. That's just me.
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Thanks for the responses....I want to maximize the effectiveness of the ABX, but also not overdo it and be in bed for days. I find that sometimes I feel ok to do a little exercise, but other times I'm just tired and in need of sleep. Then again, that could be the ABX too I suppose.
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Getting more oxygen into your tissue is very important in the healing process.
our LLmd says it is vital to healing. But he also says no weight bearing exercise when herxing. 15-20 minutes at a time is good. He says it is good to keep moving during the day, so there oxygen getting into the tissue throughout the day. So several shorter periods of exercise are better than a hard work out of an hour.
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Working out is great, as long as you've nailed the co-infections. As long as they're around, you'll just relapse.
I had the same experience with Dr. H--couldn't tell why I could not get beyond a certain point, was taking every abx under the sun, finally got treated for babs and now bart. Also, ketek helped a lot.
Dr. H can be a heroic guy, but he is totally swamped by patients right now, and also, the treatments for co-infections are changing rapidly, perhaps to his chagrin. From reading other posts on this board, I get the feeling he may be experiencing a burst of resistance before giving in to the notion that co-infections play a larger role than previously thought. As you know, he loves exotic herbs, and the co-infection theory kind of throws them to the wayside.
But he has a LOT of long term patients who are now treating babs and bart, and suddenly getting better. Try a search for posts by lla2, for example, and you'll get a lot of info.
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Liz....I am a bit mystified by your comments about Dr. H. He has always emphasized the coinfections with me!
You can relapse even if you don't have coinfections!
I'm in my second year with him and think he is extraordinary and very intelligent and knowledgeable. He has just put me back on Mepron for the second time since I began experiencing chills and headaches. It is working and I am feeling much better.
I am always afraid our good docs will burn out. His wife makes sure he takes regular vacations so he can remain sane.
Only complaint I have is with office procedures which could be improved upon.
Hope you will make some good progress now. nan
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Yes, exercise is good, but my LLMD says NO AEROBIC EXERCISE for anyone with Lyme.
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Rick,
If you haven't been working out regularly, start real slow and make sure you stretch a lot. I find yoga has really helped during my Lyme treatment. It also helps to build core strength.
I find when I use muscles regularly, they hurt much less. But I need to stay low impact due to tendon and joint pain. Swimming has been highly recommended to me, but my LLMD said lots of stretching pre-swimming.
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But before this particular set back I was walking regularly and loving it! About 5-6 miles a week..... A little every other day. Once you get in motion, boy, your body does not want to stop!!! Except for occasions like lately when it also doesn't want to go
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Thanks for the info. I have found Dr. H to be great, and his associates as well. I just wish I could break through and finally feel good. I was sick for nine months before my LLMD was able to quickly diagnose me with Lyme....I've made steady progress since, over 6 months with HEAVY ABX, but now I seem to have hit a plateau. I can work again, which is great, but I fight through every day feeling like I have a bad hangover. Sometimes I think working out will help the ABX find the hiding ketes, but other times I think it hurts more than it helps. My LLMD says excercise is good.
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Rick,
I've been on heavy ABX since March. At about 8 months I hit through that plateau. Timing is different for everybody, but it does happen.
I did a step aerobics class last night. My first aerobics class in many months. I had to stop because of the Lyme. I would get light headed, get pain in my hips and lower back, or lose feeling in my hands during the classes. I made it through the whole class last night and feel great today!
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Aniek, Thanks for your personal story....it helps to hear that others go through the same thing. I have family members all the time saying "it doens't make sense that you are still sick", or "will it ever end?" I don't have any answers for them. What percentage do you feel you are back to, on a consistent basis after about 10 months of heavy ABX? Thanks,
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quote:Originally posted by morningnewsman: What percentage do you feel you are back to, on a consistent basis after about 10 months of heavy ABX?
I can't answer that. Part of it is that I've likely been infected for 18 years. So who knows what normal is. Although my symptoms were never consistent until 3 and a half years ago.
I would say I am probably 80-85% better than I was about three years ago, when I was in cosntant pain. But, I am also on a muscle relaxer and plaquenil, both of which help control pain. The most important thing, is my doctor and my family notice that I look healthier.
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Glad to hear you are doing better and looking better. I get that too. People say they can tell how much more energy I have, even when I say I feel lousy. Thanks.
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Back in Sept. I joined Curves and only went 4 times and had to stop (before treatment) I just started this week again since treatment and feel great. I originally am very active and loved to run 5k's and after getting lyme and bart I couldnt even barely walk to get the mail. This is big for me. pattiecake
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Thanks Patticake.....I used to run 3 miles a day, and that is why I think I fought off the Lyme for three years after I was bitten....but then it took over, and it just seems natural to me that working out and raising my body temperature would be helpful in killing the spirochetes....but others say not to run at all. I guess it's just trial and error.
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Rick:
My first experience with Lyme was 15 years ago. It went untreated because the MD did not think the test was "positive enough" to warrant treatment, despite the huge bullseye, joint pain and flu-like symptoms.
I worked out almost daily,except when I got a cold or flu and that would knock me out for a couple of weeks. I cycled, climbed ran, played tennis, swam, used the gym, etc. I honestly believe the exercise kept me from being completely knocked out by the Lyme that was in my (younger) body.
When I was re-infected in 2002, I struggled for eight months to fight fatigue, ahces, dizziness, severe joint pain. I couldn't convince my MD to test me because I had only a small rash and was relatively active. I was cycling 7 - 20 miles a day during that time. But each day became harder and harder to move my legs. My body finally crashed and I saw a Dr. who diagnosed me properly.
I could NOT exercise without feeling like I might die from the fatigue. My MD sent me to a specialist. The first thing I asked him was if I could exercise. He told me to limit the aerobic exercise because my heart was affected, and I had an IV. But, he did tell me to make sure that I moved every day.
As I started to improve I was cycling and jogging short distances and doing yoga. My MD tried to convince me that I should slow it down. I am very stubborn and did not listen. I paid the price several times. But, I cycled and joggged whenever I could. My MD threw his hands up in the air a few months ago and said, I can't stop you so just do what feels right and don't push too far. I have since learned my limitations.
My MD says that my stubbornness has gotten me further than other patients, mostly in attitude. My body may hurt but, my brain functions better when I have more oxygen.
I really think the daily exercise I did for years before treatment kept the Lyme in remission for a long time. I can't help but think that it is helping now. Just an FYI: Last February I was unable to walk. But, I forced myself to at least get to the mailbox and back, with help, every day. The small steps can make you smile and have a positive effect mentally.
I have never filled the Rx for pain killers because I am afraid I will exceed my limits if I do take them. I will take an Advil if I am really achy. Otherwise, I want to feel so that I can judge properly. You will learn what you can and cannot do. Try, learn, and then set limits. Just be careful and err on the side of caution. You have to look at it as a journey with surprises along the way, good and bad.
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Beachcomber, That was VERY helpful information from your own personal story! I agree totally that the body recovers faster when pumped with fresh vitamins and ABX. Plus it raises your body temp, and the ketes are killed. Did they say you were in any danger for heart problems when you did heavy aerobic exercise? Besides muscle spasms in my chest, I don't know of any heart problem. From time to time I do get a racing heart, with sweating, for no apparant reason. I've been very active for the last few months, with work and errands and stuff, but very limited "working out". Please don't hesitate to offer any other wise advice.
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Rick:
I have a tiny hole in my heart and a slight murmur. The Lyme seemed to gravitate toward my heart at first. I was having palpatations and irregular heart beats. While on IV I was monitored closely by wearing a Holter Monitor at times and by weekly EKGs. That was my MD's concern about the aerobic exercise.
However, my Cardiologist saw no reason for me to stop all aerobic activity. She has a friend who is in a wheelchair due to Lyme and mentioned that if her friend were more active, as I am, she might not have ended up in the wheelchair.
I just can't help thinking that there is so much logic in getting oxygen to your blood and brain to help heal. I think that is why so many people feel better after HBOT. My Lyme MD did say he would prefer I got my oxygen from moving and not from a tank.
I also believe we are less depressed when we move. When I could not walk last February I became very depressed for a short time. But, the little bit of non-depressed brain matter in me said, nope, get up and make yourself move. It didn't feel good physically and was difficult to have to have a cane and a sibling to lean on. But the pain I felt was a sign to me that I could get beyond this because I could still feel something, anything. Little accomplishments made me less depressed.
Now, don't go out and run a marathon! Stretch, do yoga & light weights, aerobicize when you feel you can and want to. And, lower your expectations. You are sick and have an excuse not to be Mr. Atlas.
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Thanks beachcomber! I'll take it light and see how it goes. Glad to hear you were able to fight back from a horrible situation yourself, which is inspiration to us all.
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