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cjftworth
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I went to lyme specialist on Thursday and took 1500mg of amoxicillin that afternoon.
On Friday, I took another 1500mg dose in the morning. She wants me to take this dose for a week, and then begin taking 3000mg each morning after a week.
I felt horrible all afternoon yesterday. My stomach wasn't right - pretty sure I was going to have diarrhea. I've always been a freak about throwing up so I just didn't acknowledge those feelings till I had no choice. Bad sick but much better after it passed. No signs of rash, difficulty breathing, etc.
So now, after reading the thread on here on 'orals' and the nightmares others have had with nausea, etc. I'm in a panic.
The only advice my doc gave me was to eat yogurt and maybe take oral acidophilus. She is a mess. Another entire story.
Yesterday, I ate two servings of leftover 'baked' fries with melted cheese and sour cream and coffee in the morning with fat-free half-n-half, splenda, and a bit of sugar free creamer. (probably loaded with saccharin, which I'm trying to move away from...).
I ate a yogurt around 8am and then after being sick, ate a half of yogurt.
Suggestions on what to expect with this dosage of amox?
And suggestions for a eating plan?
I think I'll go to health food store today for input as well. Have been wanting to try Primal Defense.
Many thanks in advance. Drinking a cup of coffee right now - may only have a half of cup today and it is more decaf than regular.
cj

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Melanie Reber
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Hi CJ,

My Goodness, this doesn't sound good at all!

I would guess that it was too high a dose too fast for your system. 1500mg is allot to take at once when just starting out. Many have to work up to that dose for a week or two.

Did your doc mention spacing this out through the day? For instance, 500mg 3 times a day instead of 1500mg once a day?

You might want to try that approach for now, and be sure to call your doc on Monday to let her know what is happening. If you are still feeling ill while spacing out the dosage, I would really recommend either cutting back or stopping until you can consult with your doc.

Good nausea band-aids include potatoes (mashed and plain), ginger tea, and bananas. Be sure to drink plenty of water so you don't get dehydrated too.

The yogurt and acidophilus will help with diarrhea but should be kept away from your meds by 2 hours.

Hope you are feeling better real soon.

My best,
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So sorry you're having such a hard time with the amoxy. My doctor starting me immediately on 4500mg/day--no building up or anything. As you can imagine, I got very ill. I couldn't hold down food or liquid. I did the brat diet for a week--bananas, rice, applesauce, and toast, which helped some. If I had nothing in my stomach I felt even more sick.

The good news is that if you manage to get through the rough first couple of weeks, at least for me, it gets a lot better. I rarely feel sick from the medication anymore. I do get herx-type reactions where I feel extremely dizzy and tired, but no longer throwing up all day. beat of luck and I wish the same for you! Hang in there!

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This may be way too much too soon..We had to really go slow with all meds for my daughter so she could tolerate them..Her stomach has been really messed up with meds..

Make sure you are taking high dose/good quality probiotics..The better health food stores have refrigerated varieties to guarantee live cultures..We have done better since I have gotten this for her..Others may not be viable..

Good luck, this is a hard journery..lymemomtooo


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Thank you ALL so much for your fast replies.
Doc did say take all in A.M., one dose but I already decided that today, I'd try spacing them out some.
But I already screwed up on the 2hour spacing with acidopholus - do they counter one another? Now I think I remember reading this but forgot. Is that does wasted?
I will also be buying a good probiotic today. Again thanks SO much. cj

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About acidophilous.

My LLMD, Dr B, told me that it is a myth that probiotics cannot be taken with antibiotics. He told me to not worry about that and that I can take them all at the same time, which I've been doing since July.

DLL


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CJ,

1500mg of Amoxicillin is just a normal dose that any Dr, might give you for just about any kind of an infection.

It normally is taken 500mg 3x day not all at once. Also take it with some food unless you want to throw up. You shouldn't have any side effects at all or only mild ones if you take it like that. Amoxicillin is usually gentle.


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CJ,

1500mg of Amoxicillin is just a normal dose that any Dr, might give you for just about any kind of an infection.

It normally is taken 500mg 3x day not all at once. Also take it with some food unless you want to throw up. You shouldn't have any side effects at all or only mild ones if you take it like that. Amoxicillin is usually gentle.


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Make sure you take a good quality acidophilus. Yes, Primal Defense is supposed to be very good. I take PB8.

I sure hope your problem will be solved by spacing out your meds!

Also, watch the yogurt. Read labels and choose those with the least sugar. I would also stay away from aspartame.

I've never had any luck with yogurt, because the natural sugar in the dairy is too much for me. When I DO eat it, it's Blue Bunny's low carb.

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CJ:

Sorry you feel so crummy. I had the same reaction to Amoxicillin. For 2 months I tried to get past 800 mg BID. I was sick to my stomach non-stop. I was switched to Zithromax and had the same problem. That was 2 summers ago. So, I took an abx break, got even sicker from Candida and relapse. So, I went the IV route last march & greatly improved.

One of the problems I had was the diet I was on. I was told by my PCP to eat bananas, oatmeal & yogurt. This combination of sugar, carbs & dairy, along with abx pretty much detroyed my intestines. I had leaky gut and Systemic Candida by September and had to do into the hospital.

What you had to eat yesterday, I am afraid to say, was intestinal homocide. Sorry to have to put it so bluntly. When on abx, especially at high doses, you really need to keep the good intestinal flora alive and starve the bad stuff, like yeast. You should temporarily cut out all fruits and carbs (incl. potatoes)and dairy. Eventually, as you get used to the Rx, you can try adding those foods back in, with the exception of any refined carbs or sugars. Unfortunately, bananas are one of the worst foods to eat. Yes, they bulk you up and soothe the tummy. But, as they break down into pure sugar in the intestines the yeast will flourish.

I know that your tummy troubles are from the meds right now. But, you will only make the situation worse unless you change your diet. I know, I screwed myself up with a mix of strong meds and improper diet.

You will most likely get used to the meds. After IV and IM treatments, and clearing my gut of most Candida, I was just recently (12 months later) able to add orals back into my protocol at a higher dose. My MD (like yours) gave me a script for the full amount of Zith that he wants me on each day. I gasped and protested. He assured me that I could start out as slow as I wanted and I could ramp up in any way I wanted. He also said I could skip days when I had bad diarrhea and vomitting. It has been 6 weeks and I am now up to the dose he wants me at and am doing ok - still have a few bad days.

I eat no sugar & no refined carbs. I do eat some unrefined carbs, cranberries, lots of veggies and protein - all of it organic. I eat very small quantities of 0 sugar yogurt with my Primal Defence and Digestive Enzymes & a homemade nut & stevia sweetened granola. I have one vice. Like you, I like my coffee. I drink decaf 90% of the time. But, I just can't seem to start my day without the smell of coffee brewing.

So, my advice is to back off of the meds to a comfortable level until you can discuss it with your MD. As my MD says, "There is no sense in killing yourself trying to get well".

Oh, and DLL: My MD says ok to the acidophilus anytime as well. He says to keep a constant amount of it in my gut - don't give the abx 100% of my intestinal real estate.

Take care.

Bc


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DLL, thanks, atleast maybe i'm ok with first dose today...
James, central tx - who do you see? I'm going to try spreading the dose out. Apparently my doc sees benefit in large single doses but i'm definitely going to have to build up to them.
lymetoo, also in tx? who do you see?
QUESTION: is splenda considered bad if you are trying to avoid sugar? PLEASE say it's ok, guys!!
Beachcomber - gerat info. I'm cutting/pasting it for reference.
Thanks again SO MUCH!
sitting at this computer is killing shoulder/neck..
will check back. blessings, cj

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CJ,

I was assuming you hadn't been told specifically when to take them. There would be a rationale for taking them at once if that was what you were told.

Alot of people would not have problems with that dose, but everyone is different. The Lyme seems to make us react badly to things we otherwise would tolerate too. An LLMD giving you this is actually trying to be gentle and safe. Are going to Austin?


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We always "ramp up" w/meds. You could take 750 mg with dinner for 3 or 4 days, then either 750 w/breakfast and dinner or 1500 with dinner only (your choice or your MD's) then get up to the desired dose of 3g gradually in 7-10 days.

We don't honestly have stomach problems w/carbs and sugars (I've been on heavy doses for 3 years) although maybe every 6-8 weeks or so I do take a diflucan.

I think gerasy foods like the fires w/chees would bother me though. We seem to be drawn to what we call "clean" food like salads and fruits and poain yogurt.

We did have vomiting getting on tetracycline, no matter what the dose. It was sometimes not accompanied by nausea and would be sort of suddena nd spontaneous. This didn't ahppen after the first month.Our LLMD said some of the nause and vomiting was the Lyme itself, or a "herx."

Getting on something is alwasy hard. A month ago I couldnt' imagine staying on minocycline. I was nauseous, incredibly dizzy, horrible headache, and felt "out of it." Here I am not feeling any side effects at all. So, it should get better soon...


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just slept a bit. after hot bath.
james, she did explain rationale of 1st week, lower, then 2nd week up to 3000mg, single dose. didn't mention spreading them out.
I've seen neuro in dallas for diagnosis and treatment appt - just twice. will be looking elsewhere for a doc. i know it is hard to come my an llmd but this last time was totally unacceptable. hate to even bring it up in my memory today.
lyddie, i think i will do the same. and for the beginning, stay away from sugar as much as possible and see if i can ease back in to fruits, etc. so proteins, veggies to start with and i'll do some digging. bless all you guys. you are great. cj

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