Will write more about this tomorrow. Need to compare info on website to hubby's bottle of Argentyn 23. The thing I couldn't quickly determine from the website is the particle size -- I feel that is equally as important as is the ppm (parts per million). That is why I feel homemade silver solutions are worthless -- the smaller the particle the better and advanced technology is needed to produce nano size particles.
Hubby recently switched from oral colloidal silver to IV. While it is not the miracle drug the website purports, at least he is holding his own without antibiotics while I work on G.I. issues. He does herx on every dose of either oral or IV although the herxes on the IV have been surprisingly mild.
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the merck index(local library) has some technical blurbs on its use in lab research for staining neurons in vitro( if i'm not mistaken), and mentions mild and strong silver protein. it also gives references you might want to follow up on.
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Scott, I have not used this product, but do use colloidal silver.
According to the ``mild silver protein'' website, those of us with Lyme Disease need 4 teaspoons a day of their colloidal silver solution of 5,700 ppm. Yikes!!! Most commercial preps are 20-30 ppm. (It should be noted that the 5,700 ppm solution can only be taken for 90 days out of a year, according the website. I can see why.)
They do make a good case for using a concentrated product. There is much to read on the website and I have not read much yet.
Even though I have heard that Bb is a gram-negative bacterium, according to the 2005 Townsend Letter, ``Bb does not stain gram-negative but is stained by silver stains (containing silver nitrate). This characteristic may be related to the purported treatment of Lyme Disease by colloidal silver.''
Since it appears that silver tends to attach itself to Bb, I continue to use colloidal silver a few days a month as part of my Lyme-killing regimen. Like Bea, I started with Argentyn 23, but later switched to a cheaper, easier-to-find product. I didn't know much about particle size at the time, which does appear to be important.
The thing that concerns me about this INVIVE ``mild silver protein'' is possible silver toxicity. I think it was Gigi who said that silver is a heavy metal, and can be more difficult to eradicate than mercury.
What is odd is that I have never heard of this product before. Where did you learn about it?
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This website is really interesting.......there is much more to the ``protocol'' for this product than just taking it a few times a day. And it is REALLY expensive. But if it works, it would be well worth the cost.
There is a link to the CDC Morbidity and Mortality Tables. If I read this correctly, at the end of 2005, there were 21,304 deaths in the U.S. of people with Lyme Disease.
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Thanks for all the comments. I am not suggesting the product is a good option or otherwise. Someone mentioned it to me and I was wondering of the experiences of others. I also worry about the silver toxicity. I have done Argetyn in the past with no notable results and thus stopped early on in my treatment. Thanks for all the comments.
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Lots of hype out there. My experience is that it worked much better than homemade concoctions which I still use for mouthwash, skin cleaning etc. Another product is Invision100 which is a complex of silver made for human consumption. The herx for both products can be nasty so start very slowly. One guy who took it was out for about 4 days and I mean OUT.
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How were you using the Argentyn 23? Just orally, or did you use it IV? How much did you take?
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Used orally. Don't recall what dosages as it has been a year since I stopped. I found it to be of little to no value at the time.
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I used this to my great regret, as it was early in my treatment and I was on doxy and having herxheimers and Lawrence convinced me that doxy was useless and the MSP would cure everything, so after a few weeks of doxy I went off, went on the MSP, it didn't help, I began to get new symptoms, he convinced me these were "die off" and finally I gave up on MSP and went back on doxy. I regret it in retrospect.
Also, MSP has been found, sometimes, to have bacterial growth. I had an old bottle around and opened it and it stunk.
In addition, the amount of silver is VERY HIGH.
Argentyn23 is much stronger frankly and the amount of silver is much lower.
Earthborn's colloidal silver is pretty good too.
I say, forget MSP, I think its dangerous to build up that much silver and the product has serious drawbacks and outsize claims.
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I took Invive Silver Protein for 14 months. I started taking it before I found a LLMD and I was convinced that I had LD.
I herxed big time on it.
I didn't take 4 teaspoons/day for the entire 14 months, but I did for several months off and on.
The good thing about it was that it addressed my candidiasis at the same time. It's great for that!
After an appendectomy/partial colectomy I took it because I was afraid of putting any more western ATB's through my G.I. tract and I knew that I was anything but healed.
Recently my husband had a large subaceous cyst on his back that had been coming back for years.
Being a nurse I performed "surgery". (= I bathed it with the 5,000 ppm. After 3 months it has not reoccured.
I know it works.
Did it cure me? No.
If I had taken the proper dose for several months would I have seen a cure? I don't know.
If taken as prescribed the 5,000 ppm cost over $500.00/month.
With 1/2 of our income missing...cost prohibited me.
To the best of my knowledge, I have not had any noteworthy side effects.
Bug
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Check out the website www.purestcolloids.com for scientific info regarding the different types of silver solutions. There are other opinions out there, but I found this site very helpful and do use their products to treat both my twin daughters and have experienced no negative results. It is also very reasonably priced which helps a lot. They are small (50lbs ea.) so take 1 Tbsp each daily.
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There is a link to the CDC Morbidity and Mortality Tables. If I read this correctly, at the end of 2005, there were 21,304 deaths in the U.S. of people with Lyme Disease.
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Hi everyone,
I have used Collodial Silver a few times, a few months at a time. I NEVER had a problem with it.
I then had to go back on antbiotics because the CS was not strong enough for me. I was back on antibiotics for about 3 months and I
started to become electrical sensitive.
I could not use my zapper, Rife,
OR the Collodial silver. When I tried the Collodial Silver I became soooo ill from it, like an electrical current running through me.
I never had this before, nor did I get sick from my zapper. Antibiotics dont do this to me.
I dont know why I am electrical sensitive now, it is extremely depressing to get like this while IN treatment with antibiotics.
I am thinking it may?? still be babesia, or that it is lyme in another form, maybe it changed form not sure, or maybe I need the IV for lyme because lyme has gotten into the nervous system, thus
the electrical sensitivity.
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Lyme Too, those numbers are not fatalities! They are reported and accepted cases of Lyme disease which meet the CDC Surveillance criteria.
Morbidity and Mortality are two very strong precise words. The CDC collects the information in order to have a large view of what kind of diseases are in our country, how many people are sick and where people are getting sick.
[quote] Morbidity rate is the ratio of the number of new cases of a disease to the number of healthy people in a given population during a specific period of time [Barnes & Noble Medical Dictionary]
[quote] Mortality Rate... is the death rate noted as the number of deaths per unit of population for a specific region,age group, disease or other grouping.[Signet Mosby Med. Enclyclopedia]
The big problem is that Lyme disease is so under diagnosed and under-reported that the numbers gathered by the CDC are only about 1/10th of the actual cases each year.
The CDC recognizes this problem, but does little or nothing to try to enforce reporting. Most of the time, they put out their yearly numbers and do not mention that they are only 1/10th of the cases actually in the country.
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I prefer AGRENTYN 23 to the mild protein silver.
Sorry to hear of problems with the Ag.
Arg 23 is provided under health care doctor's supervision. Begin with small amount and increase slowly as long as you don't have bad reaction.
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Reading some of what is on the MSP website, they claim that products with smaller silver particles - Like Argentyn 23 - are useless and that it takes larger particles to kill the offending organisms. Sheesh. Now I don't know what to believe.
Thanks, Ann - I thought I posted later about these numbers being incidence numbers, not fatalities, but I don't know what happened to it.
Lymetoo, I don't know how to use that ``tinyurl'' thing so you might try to copy and paste the link into your command line. I see that just clicking on it here does not get you as far as the actual table. I put the URL down below again for you.
I went to the ``mortality tables'' and they don't tell you much of anything about how many people died of what.
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